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It is funny how they keep killing off the obvious candidates for Ollie's training.
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Blanketspace posted:I'm sure I'm really slow to the draw here, but I absolutely love how much the show focused on Barry Allen's constant lateness, and how heavily the show foreshadowed his Flash transformation when he was talking to Felicity and saying that he'd be on time in the future. Yeah, it's a nice blend of cheesy and foreshadow. You can imagine on Smallville the line would have been "If you ever wanted to go on a date, I'd be there... in a FLASH"
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Dec 16, 2013 21:25
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Aphrodite posted:It is funny how they keep killing off the obvious candidates for Ollie's training. I don't know how they are ever going to convincingly do Oliver's training. As long as they are doing flashbacks, they are going to want "stuff" to be happening in those flashbacks, and I don't think "and then I spent 3 years doing nothing but practicing archery and Russian" is going to cut it. So the only real way for it to happen is a huge timeskip in the flashbacks. Personally, I really think the show could do without the flashbacks anyway.
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Dec 16, 2013 21:50
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The skip they had to start this season would have been a good start, but apparently he didn't get any training in in that time.
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Dec 16, 2013 21:57
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Shakugan posted:I don't know how they are ever going to convincingly do Oliver's training. As long as they are doing flashbacks, they are going to want "stuff" to be happening in those flashbacks, and I don't think "and then I spent 3 years doing nothing but practicing archery and Russian" is going to cut it. So the only real way for it to happen is a huge timeskip in the flashbacks. I actually like the flashbacks, I think it's fun trying to imagine how the hell Ollie leaves the island, goes back to the island, and becomes a Russian gangster along the way. To me it's way better than doing his origin in the first segment of the first episode and forgetting about it.
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Dec 16, 2013 22:29
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Aphrodite posted:The skip they had to start this season would have been a good start, but apparently he didn't get any training in in that time.
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Dec 16, 2013 22:42
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Sober posted:What exactly were they doing again after Fyres? Were they just wandering around in the forest and trying to survive before running into Ivo's men? I'm sure he got in some training then. Having unprotected sex with Shado. Lot's and lot's of unprotected sex with Shado.
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Dec 16, 2013 23:02
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imperialparadox posted:I actually like the flashbacks, I think it's fun trying to imagine how the hell Ollie leaves the island, goes back to the island, and becomes a Russian gangster along the way. To me it's way better than doing his origin in the first segment of the first episode and forgetting about it. I think the "becomes a Russian gangster" part of his backstory is being overblown. We know that Anatoly feels immense gratitude for Ollie saving his life, and that when the Starling City Russians called to confirm his status it was Anatoly who backed him up. I think the most likely scenario is that Anatoly gives him the tattoo and promises to help him out whenever he can. I really doubt Ollie spent much (if any) time in Russia doing mafia stuff.
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Dec 16, 2013 23:06
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ShakeZula posted:I think the "becomes a Russian gangster" part of his backstory is being overblown. We know that Anatoly feels immense gratitude for Ollie saving his life, and that when the Starling City Russians called to confirm his status it was Anatoly who backed him up. I think the most likely scenario is that Anatoly gives him the tattoo and promises to help him out whenever he can. I really doubt Ollie spent much (if any) time in Russia doing mafia stuff. I don't think is as simple, there must be a good reason for Ollie to know a near 'perfect' russian and how to play convencingly a mafia captain after all.
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Dec 16, 2013 23:16
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The Question IRL posted:Having unprotected sex with Shado. Lot's and lot's of unprotected sex with Shado. So story-wise, she HAD to die, because you can't have a baby in a forest or anything until AFTER becoming an established superhero.
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Dec 16, 2013 23:42
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Doesn't he also know perfect Chinese? How did he learn that so well before she died?
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Dec 17, 2013 00:02
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Stephen Amell has said that he recorded an episode of that Quiver podcast.
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Dec 17, 2013 00:02
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Another island issue is that at some point he's going to have to decide to be obsessed with the list, a plotline we've already seen resolved. I'm not sure they're going to want to spend time on something already resolved; I certainly don't want to watch it.
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Dec 17, 2013 00:17
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Shakugan posted:Another island issue is that at some point he's going to have to decide to be obsessed with the list, a plotline we've already seen resolved. I'm not sure they're going to want to spend time on something already resolved; I certainly don't want to watch it. I seem to remember Season 1 Oliver mentioning getting a message from his father post-mortem. If so, the list is something that could be covered in just an episode or two.
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Dec 17, 2013 01:02
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kelvron posted:I seem to remember Season 1 Oliver mentioning getting a message from his father post-mortem. If so, the list is something that could be covered in just an episode or two. This did indeed happen. I doubt the list will get another mention on the Island because he's kinda busy with the here and now. League of Assassins, Slade, and Sara who are right in front of me take precedent over fantasizing about who I kill first when I get home and all that.
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Dec 17, 2013 01:15
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Warmachine posted:This did indeed happen. I doubt the list will get another mention on the Island because he's kinda busy with the here and now. League of Assassins, Slade, and Sara who are right in front of me take precedent over fantasizing about who I kill first when I get home and all that. I'm not saying it'll get a mention this season, but at some point in the flashbacks. It'd probably mesh up better with whatever Russian backstory gets used.
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Dec 17, 2013 01:26
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Aphrodite posted:It is funny how they keep killing off the obvious candidates for Ollie's training. KGBeast is still alive, though? Seriously though, I don't remember Ollie's training being a big deal in the comics either, the way that Batman's martial arts instructors periodically pop up. He learned to shoot from the island, by himself.
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Dec 17, 2013 01:38
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jscolon2.0 posted:Seriously though, I don't remember Ollie's training being a big deal in the comics either, the way that Batman's martial arts instructors periodically pop up. He learned to shoot from the island, by himself. I assumed this, as well. He got the basics from Yao Fei and Shado, but at some point he winds up alone and goes on a whole wildman survivalist spirit journey that ends with the escape in the pilot. Oliver's new identity is self-created, so it stands to reason that his skills are self-developed after a point. He just needed some impetus, which honestly the island plotline has already provided.
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Dec 17, 2013 01:43
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jscolon2.0 posted:KGBeast is still alive, though? In the One Year Later arc we get to see Ollie totally remake himself into a better man, a better fighter and a better hero. It's also the story where he becomes the mayor of Star City that people keep bringing up. The entire arc is available in two trades, Crawling through the Wreckage and the Road to Jericho. Both written by Judd Winnick, probably my favorite modern GA run. I highly recommend them.
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Dec 17, 2013 02:36
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Rhyno posted:In the One Year Later arc we get to see Ollie totally remake himself into a better man, a better fighter and a better hero. It's also the story where he becomes the mayor of Star City that people keep bringing up. The entire arc is available in two trades, Crawling through the Wreckage and the Road to Jericho. Both written by Judd Winnick, probably my favorite modern GA run. I highly recommend them. I remember that arc. But it happened after he already became a superhero. Batman and a lot of other trained human characters typically have these elaborate origins where they travel the world training with martial arts masters. Ollie just kind of doesn't.
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Dec 17, 2013 02:48
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jscolon2.0 posted:I remember that arc. But it happened after he already became a superhero. Batman and a lot of other trained human characters typically have these elaborate origins where they travel the world training with martial arts masters. Ollie just kind of doesn't. Green Arrow Year One nicely updated his origin on the island so while he didn't have martial skills he was a dead-shot with a bow before the island.
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Shakugan posted:Another island issue is that at some point he's going to have to decide to be obsessed with the list, a plotline we've already seen resolved. I'm not sure they're going to want to spend time on something already resolved; I certainly don't want to watch it.
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Rhyno posted:Green Arrow Year One nicely updated his origin on the island so while he didn't have martial skills he was a dead-shot with a bow before the island. On the show we know Thea is a really good shot with a bow also, so show Ollie probably had some skill... ..oh, but they have different fathers.
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Dec 17, 2013 05:58
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he isn't though, when papa Shado is teaching him he couldn't hit a bulls arse with a banjo
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Rocksicles posted:couldn't hit a bulls arse with a banjo I resolve from this day forth to start using this phrase.
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 Also Merry Xmas! 
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Are Mr and Ms Clause related to the actors in any way?
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Possible Flash casting spoilers: Ernie Hudson, from Ghostbusters and a poo poo-ton of minor roles in other stuff, is up for the role of...The Flash posted:DETECTIVE WEST – Late 40s to Early 50s – African American – Detective West is an honest, blue-collar cop who’s seen it all. A soulful, funny caring father to Iris, and a surrogate father to Barry, West came up through the foster system himself. He took in Barry after his mother’s murder and his father’s imprisonment. He believes in Barry and supports Barry’s efforts to prove his father’s innocence. So, this is... interesting. On the one hand, it looks like a repeat of the 'hero in love with cop's daughter' plotline from Arrow. On the other hand, Barry's relationship with Detective West is the polar opposite the Ollie-Quentin hatefuck. West is basically Barry's adoptive dad and totally loves and supports him, which is kind of  . On the other other hand, this means Barry kind of falls in love with his adoptive sister. 
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Dec 18, 2013 03:26
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Holy poo poo! That explains so much!
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Spergatory posted:Possible Flash casting spoilers: Ernie Hudson, from Ghostbusters and a poo poo-ton of minor roles in other stuff, is up for the role of... Barry is in love with Felicity
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Daric posted:Barry is in love with Felicity So is 90% of this thread.
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Dec 18, 2013 03:33
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Ernie Hudson is awesome. I fully support this.
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Deadpool posted:Ernie Hudson is awesome. I fully support this. Do you think a giant, talking Gorilla is poo poo enough to turn a dude white? Rhyno fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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Dec 18, 2013 03:36
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How much press do you think the Black Iris West thing will get around pilot time?
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hi liter posted:How much press do you think the Black Iris West thing will get around pilot time? I don't know, but I can't wait. I love watching internet racists work themselves into a froth. They'll probably generate enough mouth-foam to go surfing. 
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Spergatory posted:I don't know, but I can't wait. I love watching internet racists work themselves into a froth. They'll probably generate enough mouth-foam to go surfing. It's probably not going to be a big deal until these idiots connect the dots and figure out that this means Wally West is also black. That is if he even exists. Which isn't likely.
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Deadpool posted:It's probably not going to be a big deal until these idiots connect the dots and figure out that this means Wally West is also black. That is if he even exists. Which isn't likely. Pfff, like they have black people in the 30th century.  There are no dots to connect there, buddy. Sometimes you just don't want comic lore to be followed.
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Drifter posted:Pfff, like they have black people in the 30th century. He is not from the 30th Century. That is Bart Allen.
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bobkatt013 posted:He is not from the 30th Century. That is Bart Allen. I was casually not mentioning Iris. I meant Iris.
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Drifter posted:I was casually not mentioning Iris. I really do hope the racist do go nuts. It will almost be as hilarious as the Hunger Game or Harry Potter racist freakouts. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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