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Any word on a Radeon R9 280 coming out sometime soon? I figure it's got to be in the pipeline as it would fill the 250 dollar price point that AMD isn't hitting with the current R9 cards.
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Guni posted:Goddamit AMD and associated companies (ASUS and the like), where the gently caress are the semi-custom coolers? I've been waiting since launch for the 290 to get some, but this is getting pretty ridiculously long and I'm not going to accept the excessive (IMO) heat and noise that the blower generates. I feel your pain, I'm waiting on the semi-custom 290/x before I decide on either it or a 780...not to mention I'm wary of what it will cost given that all the reference models have already shot up in price thanks to the litecoin crap.
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Beautiful Ninja posted:Any word on a Radeon R9 280 coming out sometime soon? I figure it's got to be in the pipeline as it would fill the 250 dollar price point that AMD isn't hitting with the current R9 cards. R9 280s are already out  they are just rebadged 7970s I beleiveIn other news I just got my new Phanteks Enthoo Primo case a 480mm rad and 7 fans to go with my current water cooling setup, I can post pic's if people would like
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Dec 17, 2013 00:35
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Michymech posted:R9 280s are already out I believe Beautiful Ninja's looking for a cut-down R9 280X, not a 280X in itself.
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Dec 17, 2013 01:05
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A quick question : Gtx 780 - still a good enthusiast card, or no longer relevant ?
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Dec 17, 2013 01:21
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Factory Factory posted:Where to buy G-Sync is live on Nvidia's website. So far, it's extremely limited - boutiques selling G-Sync'd monitors for $499 and upgrade service (module + ship + install + ship-back) for $299. But it's now officially out in the wild. Whupty doo and all, but where the gently caress are the DIY modules, and for how much. I want to strangle NVidia, they said they'd be out by year's end.
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Dec 17, 2013 01:25
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Considering it got knocked down to $500, still relevant. I think it's Anandtech's holiday pick for $500ish card in fact:
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Dec 17, 2013 01:26
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admataY posted:A quick question : I don't know, but I sure still am enthusiastic about the GTX 780 I got only last month!
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Dec 17, 2013 01:30
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I am less enthusiastic about the beating my wallet gonna take , but 290 are not really available right now. Also, noise. Also, heat.
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Dec 17, 2013 01:32
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Factory Factory posted:
So will upgrades to other models be possible for this? I have a ASUS PB278Q 2560x1440 that would be cool to upgrade and would make me think about going to Nvidia this time around ( still don't have a 290x, still using a 560ti :\)
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Dec 17, 2013 01:35
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My Radeon 6950's fans are messed up and I am going to need to RMA it. MSI says up to 20 days on the turnaround and being a giant nerd I don't want to go that long without my gaming needs (plus I don't have a laptop so just in general I'd rather not go 3 weeks without a PC). What is the cheapest card that could play Counter-Strike Global Offensive at a decent clip that I could buy and sell used when I get my card back. I play at 1920x1080.
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CancerStick posted:My Radeon 6950's fans are messed up and I am going to need to RMA it. MSI says up to 20 days on the turnaround and being a giant nerd I don't want to go that long without my gaming needs (plus I don't have a laptop so just in general I'd rather not go 3 weeks without a PC).
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Dec 17, 2013 03:10
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Michymech posted:R9 280s are already out 280x is already out. I thought there was going to be a 280 at some point (7950 rebadge).
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Dec 17, 2013 04:11
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Alereon posted:Have you considered just buying your own cooler and installing it yourself so you don't have to RMA? No. I'm a moron and didn't think of this. Pretty easy?
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Dec 17, 2013 04:16
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The most annoying part is anything that requires epoxy- vrm and ram sinks. Otherwise, fairly easy.
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Dec 17, 2013 04:31
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admataY posted:A quick question : A lengthy answer: Still the best price:performance card for high-end gaming on the Team Green side of things. It's probably about $30-$50 overpriced compared to where it ought to be if they wanted to match AMD's price:performance curve, but it has a MUCH better stock cooler, and an impressive feature list as well. Not to be discounted at all. Remember that the exciting thing about the R9 290x when it came out was that it offered Titan performance for $500 (disingenuous since Titan's a CUDA development card, not a gaming card, but still fair since it was the first GK110 offering for consumers), while the R9 290's exciting thing was that it offered GTX 780 performance at $400. Retailers are still inflating AMD prices right now, and the added expense of a custom cooler unless you want to put up with what can really only be described as "barely adequate" cooling make the R9 290 and R9 290X worse values than they should be. We have yet to see what vendors' custom cooled varieties will cost, too, but hopefully a premium of no more than $50 or so. nVidia's GK110 cards don't need aftermarket cooling for anything at all that normal users will do. They have an extremely well engineered cooler - so well engineered that they show the damned thing off with a big Lexan faceplate, heh. It is much quieter than AMD's top cooler and removes heat much more efficiently from all components, allowing any GTX 780 to overclock to its maximum potential without requiring third-party cooling solutions or aftermarket coolers. In fact, since vendor's coolers use less expensive heat pipe and large internal fan technology, it's as likely as not that all but the most extreme ones (three slotters) actually don't cost more to manufacture than nVidia's stock GK110 cooler. nVidia cool techs:
AMD's new cool techs are a bit on the unknown side of things right now, but... AMD Cool Techs:
Drawing a blank on other cool features, but, um, they fixed Crossfire mostly now, so that's good (notably, they fixed Crossfire for multi-monitor, ON GCN1.1 CARDS AND GOING FORWARD ONLY! Previous cards, including the R9 280X and below, still use an inferior Crossfire method that kinda sucks for multi-monitor in terms of frame pacing, so be aware of that). And their high end cards are good values if you can put up with really, really noisy coolers that do their job only well enough to perform nearly as well as advertised (noisily) instead of exceeding expectations like the GK110 coolers do. Right now, retailers are price gouging the poo poo out of AMD cards, making them less of a good value than they ought to be going by MSRP. Do not buy a damned R9 290 for $500, that card costs $400 and it'll get back to its intended price point soon enough. If AMD's feature list appeals to you and you really want it, wait out this bubble. They launched at $500 for the R9 290X and $400 for the R9 290, there is goddamned NO REASON AT ALL to pay inflated prices. At those prices, the GTX 780 outdoes the R9 290 in most things, and the GTX 780Ti starts looking half-rear end sane. Just Say No to price gouging. Agreed fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Dec 17, 2013 |
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Thank you for the very detailed answer . Choosing new technology used to be so much easier years ago.
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Agreed posted:Retailers are still inflating AMD prices right now, and the added expense of a custom cooler unless you want to put up with what can really only be described as "barely adequate" cooling make the R9 290 and R9 290X worse values than they should be. We have yet to see what vendors' custom cooled varieties will cost, too, but hopefully a premium of no more than $50 or so. I decided to take a peek at current 290 prices and they've gone up $100 ($399 to $499+) with 290x's jumping to $599 (at Newegg). I'd bought another card the same day I RMA'ed my 290 one back primarily to increase my odds of getting an unlockable 290 and to maybe get ahead of any shipping / inventory issues from Black Friday. Didn't imagine that I would save myself so much money and grief in the process. Edit: Also, another bit to add for AMD cards is their XDMA tech; though that won't be a factor for anybody unless they Crossfire 290/x's. "Thanks to AMD’s new XDMA engine the 290X has no problem scaling up to 4K in Crossfire, taking AMD’s decent single-card 4K performance and scaling it up to something that allows for 4K without the quality compromises. Considering 60Hz 4K monitors still run for $3000+, it doesn’t make any sense not to pair such an expensive monitor with anything less than a pair of 290Xs." Ghostpilot fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Dec 17, 2013 |
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Michymech posted:R9 280s are already out Nah, there's only a 280X.
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Ghostpilot posted:I decided to take a peek at current 290 prices and they've gone up $100 ($399 to $499+) with 290x's jumping to $599 (at Newegg). An on-board SCALER is not a very impressive cool technology. You can do that with an nVidia card too. I'll look into it to see if there's anything actually going on with their tech to make it worth mentioning when I'm not saying "nVidia has a great SCALER with virtually no performance overhead, so you can render internally at lower resolutions and turn settings up for arguably better graphics at resolutions the card couldn't normally handle!" since I don't actually consider that a feature. When a console does that, like the XB1 with its SCALER, we get all pissy. :-/ As long as R9 290s are $500, the GTX 780 is a better buy, in my opinion. Don't buy a goddamned R9 290 for $500. That is some ridiculous poo poo. Edit: Corrected my horrible habit of using the wrong god damned word. Scalar does not = Scaler. Motherfuck firefox spell check. Agreed fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Dec 17, 2013 |
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I don't think Ghostpilot is talking about a literal resolution scaler, he's talking about the performance scaling of going to crossfire configs at 4K+ resolutions, compared to SLI. (Crossfire 290s seeing a generally larger % increase in performance over a single card vs SLI at 4k+ resolution)
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Ghostpilot posted:I'd bought another card the same day I RMA'ed my 290 one back primarily to increase my odds of getting an unlockable 290 and to maybe get ahead of any shipping / inventory issues from Black Friday. Didn't imagine that I would save myself so much money and grief in the process. Agreed posted:scalar scalar = one dimensional quantity scaler = thing that turns one resolution into another
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Agreed posted:
I have to agree with this. If today's prices had been the case when I bought my 290s I sure as hell would have gone the 780 route. Gsync alone makes it worth it for those prices in my books.
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I'm fairly certain this is more general than a "Pick my parts question" but if this is the wrong thread, please let me know. I'm thinking about upgrading my video card soon but I honestly haven't paid much attention to GPU news so I'm not sure if there is anything I should keep in mind. Basically, I'm using a 560ti right now and it's working well enough but I'm looking ahead to some games that will be coming out in 2014 (namely The Witcher 3). Is it worth buying anything now (such as a 770 or 780) or will there be something newer and better that is worth waiting for at some point earlier next year? I did a quick google news search and I don't really see anything recent with regard to new tech except for the g-sync stuff
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If you can scrape by, apparently February will bring Nvidia's new stuff, at least on mobile. You could see what the skinny is then. Otherwise, if you don't want to wait, a GeForce 760 basically doubles the 560 Ti's performance at the same power draw and would be a perfect choice for an upgrade.
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Factory Factory posted:If you can scrape by, apparently February will bring Nvidia's new stuff, at least on mobile. You could see what the skinny is then. Otherwise, if you don't want to wait, a GeForce 760 basically doubles the 560 Ti's performance at the same power draw and would be a perfect choice for an upgrade. Yah based on the the timeframe you mentioned I was able to narrow down the search and it looks like desktop stuff might be dropping in March-ish. I'll probably just wait and upgrade then as the 560 is chugging along just fine for now.
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Straker posted:Me too, I think I got the last two 290s available at a sane price... they were going in and out of stock on Newegg, I could see it seemed like supplies were going to be limited so I bit when I refreshed and saw one brand back in stock, they went back out of stock immediately after, it took them a week to get me my cards and things have been hosed up since. Relatively huge bullet dodged!  I ALWAYS DO THAT, you're right, ask FactoryFactory I'm just as bad about it in real time as I am typing a post. See, scalar is totally a word according to Firefox's spell check, whereas scaler is not - although I'm fixing that and adding it to the dictionary right now. Sigh.
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Guni posted:Goddamit AMD and associated companies (ASUS and the like), where the gently caress are the semi-custom coolers? I've been waiting since launch for the 290 to get some, but this is getting pretty ridiculously long and I'm not going to accept the excessive (IMO) heat and noise that the blower generates. Pull up your pants and build your own 
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Umm, how is G-Sync better/different than high refresh rate? Lets say I have a 120hz display and a low fps game. The GPU will have 120 opportunities per second to re-draw a new frame. If it misses one, its not a huge amount of time until the next one relative to the game frame rate. So how is G-Sync better than 120Hz+ and V-sync? I guess question should be, is stuttering noticeable at 120Hz+?
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Shaocaholica posted:Umm, how is G-Sync better/different than high refresh rate? Lets say I have a 120hz display and a low fps game. The GPU will have 120 opportunities per second to re-draw a new frame. If it misses one, its not a huge amount of time until the next one relative to the game frame rate. So how is G-Sync better than 120Hz+ and V-sync? I guess question should be, is stuttering noticeable at 120Hz+? 120+ is an improvement but not perfect. Gsync is Voodoo magic. Don't forget that right now 120+ monitors are almost exclusively the domain of 1080 TN panels. Gsync will give you uber-smoothness on 1440+ IPS panels.
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Tearing and stuttering both still exist on 120hz screens. Higher refresh shortens the interval between frames on the monitor, but that still doesn't guarantee that those frames line up with the GPU's frame times. Also vsync and 120hz is not a good combination, because it's quite hard to get enough GPU power to peg a game at 120 fps and keep it there. Most people with 120hz screens are likely gaming with Vsync off and just deal with tearing.
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Though if you Vsync at 120Hz, then besides 30 Hz and 60 Hz you can also Vsync at 40 Hz - which isn't terrible. In a nutshell: No Vsync = tearing, stuttering Vsync = stable rate stuttering, frame delay G-Sync = None of the above
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I have a question for PhysX acceleration in the future. I have no plan on doing SLI, but in the future when my current 770 is upgraded, if I go to a new Nvidia card I can use my current card in SLI just to accelerate PhsyX? I've read some stuff on it and I'm not even sure how it works.
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Shaocaholica posted:Umm, how is G-Sync better/different than high refresh rate? Lets say I have a 120hz display and a low fps game. The GPU will have 120 opportunities per second to re-draw a new frame. If it misses one, its not a huge amount of time until the next one relative to the game frame rate. So how is G-Sync better than 120Hz+ and V-sync? I guess question should be, is stuttering noticeable at 120Hz+? If your computer is putting out a constant 100 fps and you turn v-sync on, you will see frames displayed at 60 hz. If you turn g-sync on, you'll see frames displayed at 100 hz. The reduction in stutter is mostly helpful for going under 60 hz, on a 120hz monitor you'll jump from 40 to 60 fps using normal v-sync, and from 30 to 60 on a typical monitor. Look up some comparison videos, continual 30 fps just looks better than stutter filled v-sync that jumps from 30 to 60 and back many times a second. G-Synch sets the monitor's effective refresh rate with v-sync to infinity, so these jumps don't happen.
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CrazyB posted:I have a question for PhysX acceleration in the future. I have no plan on doing SLI, but in the future when my current 770 is upgraded, if I go to a new Nvidia card I can use my current card in SLI just to accelerate PhsyX? I've read some stuff on it and I'm not even sure how it works. You would have to disable SLI to use one card as a dedicated PhysX card. With two cards, SLI or PhysX accelerator, pick one. SLI is better at average framerates, and PhysX is better at minimum framerates. Of course, with a third card you can do SLI + PhysX accelerator and have it all  Also, you can only SLI identical cards, so if you were thinking of pairing that 770 with an 870 or whatever, forget it. Factory Factory fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Dec 17, 2013 |
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Oh my, PCIe1 to PCIe16 ribbon adapter and use an old card as a third card in an mATX system.  Yet another reason the Arc Mini R2 is the best non-tiny mATX case.
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Blurbusters has a good demonstration to give you an idea of how g-sync will look. Just ordered up the MSI GTX 780 Twin Frozr that is on-sale on Newegg and an EK waterblock for it. Comes with a mild oc already, so I'll see how much further I can push it. I'll be moving my current GTX 570 down a few slots and just let it fold non-stop. Also, nice write up on the differences in the products, Agreed. Seems like every only focuses on the fps/benchmarks and don't consider the rest of the card functions. Shadowplay/built-in encoder is something that kept me with nVidia this upgrade. Phuzun fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Dec 17, 2013 |
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Thanks for the clarification on G-Sync. I forgot that with vsync you have to sorta have integer portions of the native rate so you can't have 100fps on a 120hz display.
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I do this, it does a fine job of heating my room in the winter. Two gtx460s and a 9800gtx. What would be a good upgrade over this setup? I was thinking gtx770 but if new cards are dropping in march I'll wait. This setup is fast enough, about on par with a 660.
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I was digging through old files and I found this picture of the box my GF 6800 GT came in. For reference, that is a 27" TV.
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