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Cloche posted:I'm surprised that Inuart has so few votes, comparatively. He's, uh... pretty bad. Pretty bad. He's also pretty, and that usually makes up for a lot of faults in the eyes of the kind of people who actually submit votes for those polls.
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dazat posted:Hey, it's my translation! ...except with Mikhail's lines changed for some reason. That poll is amazing. Nowe, the clichéest and blandest of JRPG protagonists, as third most hated in japan vindicates... something, somehow.
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MonsieurChoc posted:That poll is amazing. Nowe, the clichéest and blandest of JRPG protagonists, as third most hated in japan vindicates... something, somehow. Keep in mind that they didn't vote in Leonard, the horrible pedophile monk on there. Japan is still Japan. Yoko Taro being an honorable mention almost makes up for it though.
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If cavia had been voting "children" would be number 1 most hated.
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Manatee Cannon posted:Keep in mind that they didn't vote in Leonard, the horrible pedophile monk on there. Japan is still Japan. Yoko Taro being an honorable mention almost makes up for it though. Actually, Leonard was voted third in the Favorite Character vote, right after Angelus and Caim!  I rather liked him, too, though, since his writing was a little more subtle than the other characters (compare Arioch's "DID I MENTION I EAT BABIES?!?!"). I'm sure that's only because Square-Enix forced Cavia to tone things down on account of the subject matter, though. Interesting fact: Leonard, Seere and Arioch's characters and storyline were personally all penned by Yoko Taro! Caim and Angelus' story was written by someone else. In interviews he keeps saying he doesn't understand why they're so popular, why all the fans keep calling Angelus 'the true heroine' instead of Furiae, or why so many people think of them as a couple... including the Drakengard 2 scripwriter, who wrote their death scene inspired by Romeo and Juliet. I'm getting all this information from the NUMEROUS Dengeki Drakengard interest articles in case anyone is interested in the sources: http://dengekionline.com/sp/dod3/?rside
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Cloche posted:I'm surprised that Inuart has so few votes, comparatively. He's, uh... pretty bad. Pretty bad. Inuart IS pretty bad but he's kind of ignorably bad. Verdelet, Manah, and Nowe are unignorably bad in a way where they are constantly loving poo poo up and making you go GOD drat IT VERDELET/MANAH/NOWE. Whereas with Inuart it's just kind of a "Son I am so disappointed in every single one of your life choices" reaction. dazat posted:Interesting fact: Leonard, Seere and Arioch's characters and storyline were personally all penned by Yoko Taro! Caim and Angelus' story was written by someone else. In interviews he keeps saying he doesn't understand why they're so popular, why all the fans keep calling Angelus 'the true heroine' instead of Furiae, or why so many people think of them as a couple... including the Drakengard 2 scripwriter, who wrote their death scene inspired by Romeo and Juliet That...kind of leaves me with less respect for Yoko Taro. As a writer, you have to be pretty clueless to not really understand how that stuff is coming across how it does  Also am I correct in reading from that that he thinks Furiae is a heroine in any capacity? Because I struggle to think of a way to interpret her as such. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:Inuart IS pretty bad but he's kind of ignorably bad. Verdelet, Manah, and Nowe are unignorably bad in a way where they are constantly loving poo poo up and making you go GOD drat IT VERDELET/MANAH/NOWE. From what I remember he wrote her to be the "heroine" but also to be unlikable.
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jonjonaug posted:From what I remember he wrote her to be the "heroine" but also to be unlikable. It's just that I can't think of her actually DOING anything to qualify as a heroine. She gets kidnapped a bunch then she kills herself because she can't jump her brothers bone, thereby causing the end of the world. Heroic!
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Captain Oblivious posted:It's just that I can't think of her actually DOING anything to qualify as a heroine. She gets kidnapped a bunch then she kills herself because she can't jump her brothers bone, thereby causing the end of the world. Heroic! "Heroine" doesn't always mean "heroic" in anime/manga/video games over in Japan. It can just mean "major female character on the protagonist's side who likes him" with a main male character or "the protagonist" with a main female character. There doesn't even need to be any heroic actions happening in the story at all, it's just a common term for some reason.
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jonjonaug posted:"Heroine" doesn't always mean "heroic" in anime/manga/video games over in Japan. It can just mean "major female character on the protagonist's side who likes him" with a main male character or "the protagonist" with a main female character. There doesn't even need to be any heroic actions happening in the story at all, it's just a common term for some reason. Ah. So basically the phrase they're looking for is "female lead".
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Captain Oblivious posted:That...kind of leaves me with less respect for Yoko Taro. As a writer, you have to be pretty clueless to not really understand how that stuff is coming across how it does The worst was when he was trying to analyze the reason female fans like Caim x Angelus and came up with the theory that "Oh, they're attracted to the notion that if a monstrous dragon can earn the love of a hot guy, so can they!"  Everyone else in interview was like "Uuuugh no you don't get it".jonjonaug posted:"Heroine" doesn't always mean "heroic" in anime/manga/video games over in Japan. It can just mean "major female character on the protagonist's side who likes him" with a main male character or "the protagonist" with a main female character. There doesn't even need to be any heroic actions happening in the story at all, it's just a common term for some reason. Yeah, I think Furiae was supposed to be a commentary on the typical RPG heroine who is mostly very passive and only defined by her feelings for the hero. Which still technically makes her the 'heroine'.
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dazat posted:Actually, Leonard was voted third in the Favorite Character vote, right after Angelus and Caim! Caim and Angelus are probably the only characters who understand each other by the end (of the canon ending at least). Plus, they're arguably the most 'honest' characters in the first game: everyone else is dealing with PTSD on account of surviving an attack due to buggering small boys, insane and filled with the love of baby-eating, or an abject coward. Caim and Angelus just want to get their murder on. Considering how every other relationship - platonic or otherwise - goes, I can't say I'm surprised people react the way they did. Bonus points since Angelus' key moments in the game don't involve her wanting to boink her brother or stabbing herself when everyone finds out about said brother-boinking.
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jonjonaug posted:From what I remember he wrote her to be the "heroine" but also to be unlikable. The specific term used was "The Heroine who fails at being an Heroine". She was apparently hated by most, if not all, of the Dev team. Then again I also remember reading somewhere that the relationship between Caim and Angelus was inspired by love between a young man and an older woman, so what does my memory know, really?
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dazat posted:The worst was when he was trying to analyze the reason female fans like Caim x Angelus and came up with the theory that "Oh, they're attracted to the notion that if a monstrous dragon can earn the love of a hot guy, so can they!" It sounds like Taro is good at playing with narrative conventions but doesn't really get characters/people on any kind of detail level. Failed heroine/commentary upon the traditional heroine makes plenty of sense at least, though I'd argue the phrasing it's ultimately semantics.
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I can't possibly imagine Yoko Taro trolling during an interview.
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Well. That was a thing.
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Caim and Angelus are the only characters in the first two games that actually care about each other in an honest and non creepy way while everyone else tends to be selfish and dumb assholes that just make everything worse. The two of them are unrepentant psychopaths but the world and its inhabitants are so utterly broken and beyond hope that they seem more heroic and likable in comparison because of that.
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holy poo poo Now I'm even more excited for the game to come out in English.
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I translated the lyrics of This Silence is Mine: http://kho-dazat.tumblr.com/post/70377814151/this-silence-is-mine-lyrics-translation I think that'll be my last post for awhile as I'm going into blackout mode until I finish the game (since I'm one of those weak-willed types who can't help clicking on spoilers if I see them). Well, I might come back to share the contents of my Anniversary Box once it arrives... if only to make myself feel less silly for putting down $200+ on it. 
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I can't get this to load. What's it show?
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ultrafilter posted:I can't get this to load. What's it show? You are checking the archive, since the stream is over, right? (click on their profile, then past broadcasts, it's the most recent one). It's ~5 hours of gameplay footage also showing some cutscenes and it's pretty awesome.
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Gameplay's basically what we were hoping, in that it looks fluid, nicely chaotic and, more to the point, fun. I don't let myself get excited for games anymore, but if I did, I would be looking forward to this one.
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LorneReams posted:Any word on an NA release? Pretty sure it's been confirmed as some time in 2014.
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Another stream here: VVV HERE BE SPOILERS! ^^^ The guy is working his way through most of the game. Not-Europe is back! The soundtrack goes mental when the other Intoners go berserk.  Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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dazat posted:I translated the lyrics of This Silence is Mine: http://kho-dazat.tumblr.com/post/70377814151/this-silence-is-mine-lyrics-translation Your translation mixed with the Engrish refrain makes it sound like it's been written by a deranged lunatic. It's pretty great.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Another stream here: Just watched the first 20-something minutes. Anyone else getting a 'high-fantasy Kill Bill' vibe from this? Edit: That English poetry... Huh. Drakengard 3 posted:Or will the flower 
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Dominic White posted:That English poetry... More like Engrish poetry quote:A fortrace drowing Dragon-friend is pretty cute though 
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Pesky Splinter posted:More like Engrish poetry Seems closer to medieval, pre-dictonary english than anything. There's an interesting enough mix of contemporary and archaic for it to seem deliberate.
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Dominic White posted:Seems closer to medieval, pre-dictonary english than anything. There's an interesting enough mix of contemporary and archaic for it to seem deliberate. That's a fair point. Have to wait until the localisation to find out, I guess. 
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Anyone know when the Japanese PSN update? Already the 19th there so I want to buy this game right now.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Not-Europe is back! The soundtrack goes mental when the other Intoners go berserk. This makes me oddly happy!! The first Drakengard's soundtrack is still one of my favorites for reasons, so if it even vaguely resembles that I'll be content. This is definitely my most-anticipated game in a long time. I think something might be wrong with me. 
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Warning! Some of the endings have started to appear!  Without spoiling anything, I must say, it's Drakengard alright.
Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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Pesky Splinter posted:Warning! Some of the endings have started to appear! Aw c'mon dude, don't left 
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Aw c'mon dude, don't left It's hollow and it goes on forever, and... oh My God, it's full of stars.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Aw c'mon dude, don't left I'm hiding it behind the SStest poster so people don't accidently scroll over it. SPOILERS VVV http://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=16803 ^^^ SPOILERS [e]: I couldn't make this poo poo up. VVV Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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Dec 18, 2013 21:58
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Are you sure that isn't from Hatoful Boyfriend?
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Pesky Splinter posted:I'm hiding it behind the SStest poster so people don't accidently scroll over it.  What in the actual gently caress? 
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