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The Kins posted:Pretty sure Lost Souls can infight if one kamikazes into another. Yes, this definitely happens.
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Why did Brutal Doom change the design of Lost Souls anyway? They look so silly. 
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toasterwarrior posted:- All bullet weapons will cause in-fighting, so zombies of all kinds will provoke each other and other monsters. Also, - No monster can ever target an Archvile, even if the Archvile is attacking the monster. This means you can have an Archvile solo a cyberdemon for you (if you're not in a hurry.) - Monsters can switch back from infighting to you when their target die (you usually hear again their waking sound) or if you shoot them again/lose sight of their target for too long? - Archviles switch targets instantly when attacked, so if you fire at them mid-attack on another monster, they'll turn to you, and then you will explode. Good job. This doesn't happen with any other monsters, like Cyberdemons, so feel free to BFG them in the back while they are busy.
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toasterwarrior posted:- All bullet weapons will cause in-fighting, so zombies of all kinds will provoke each other and other monsters. I'm sure this is, since I've seen Mancubi ignore a hit from a Hell Knight in some cases, and in some cases retaliate. So there must be some probabilistic aspect to it.
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Dec 18, 2013 13:16
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Also I believe that melee attacks (pinkies, imps, cacodemons, etc) act like bullets, though unless you have Partial Invisibility it's very rare to see a misdirected melee attack.
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Dec 18, 2013 13:30
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There is a very limited concept of "aggro" going on. When a monster takes initial damage, they leash to the cause and if I'm not mistaken a timer starts. More damage from the cause refreshes the timer. If the timer expires AND the monster gets hit from a new source, it leashes to the new target and the cycle rolls on. If the monster's target dies, it goes after the player. If it's attacking - most noticeable with the Cyberdemon's three rocket volley - it won't switch mid-attack, even if the player hits it, unless it's the arch-vile. AVs leash but have no timer; the last thing to hit them will always be the target, even if they are in the middle of cooking. Lost souls are supposed to do one charge at their target and then return to the player if not attacked. In ZDoom, at least, they maintain their hate, and you see stuff like lost souls fighting forever in pain elemental clouds. I'm not sure what I like more. Monsters that wake up on seeing the player leash to him but won't aggro if the player doesn't shoot them. Infighting is easy to instigate if you don't shoot monsters. If you tag them, you own them until their timer is up. E:f,b
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Dec 18, 2013 14:18
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horse mans posted:I'm sure this is, since I've seen Mancubi ignore a hit from a Hell Knight in some cases, and in some cases retaliate. So there must be some probabilistic aspect to it. The hits have to trigger pain state for the monster to start infighting, if I remember right.
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Dec 18, 2013 14:21
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I somehow hadn't seen Doom The Way id Did before and I've been plowing through that- I really, really like how classic Doom the levels feel, except they're all fairly huge in a way that classic Doom levels weren't always. They're all really good levels, though, so it's hard to mind.
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Vaos posted:The hits have to trigger pain state for the monster to start infighting, if I remember right. Actually, it's pretty simple, check out the bit on "Targeting threshold", the timer I couldn't quite remember
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Dec 18, 2013 14:51
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Don't know if these have been posted, but a nice present for the Doomer or Doomette in your life http://www.galerief.com/portfolio/former-humans/
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horse mans posted:I'm sure this is, since I've seen Mancubi ignore a hit from a Hell Knight in some cases, and in some cases retaliate. So there must be some probabilistic aspect to it. Hm, the way I thought it worked was that there were monster "ranks", and only higher rank monsters would attack lower rank monsters. I guess I need to experiment with it more... Edit: Oh I guess that was just Doom 3 and I mixed them up in my head? Hah. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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Dec 18, 2013 17:57
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Devolver Digital's lust for blood and indie game cross-promotion can not be sated. (Or alternatively: Mom and Dad got back together!) (In addition, the Excalibat is now a Katana skin in the new Shadow Warrior!) The Kins fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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Pope Guilty posted:Also I believe that melee attacks (pinkies, imps, cacodemons, etc) act like bullets, though unless you have Partial Invisibility it's very rare to see a misdirected melee attack. Yeah, this is why Demons can infight. Unfortunately, they are really, really bad at it.
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Demons are really bad at everything. They are the most  of all hellspawn 
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Stupid Doom question. If you pick up the Blue Armor, that gives you 50% damage reduction. Does your damage reduction revert to the Green Armor value (33%) if your armor drops below 101%? If not, that means as long as your armor doesn't drop to 0%, you'll always have 50% reduction, even if you pick up more green armors or armor bonuses?
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Dec 18, 2013 20:09
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victrix posted:Demons are really bad at everything. They are the most I always feel kind of bad killing them, it's like killing a big dumb dog.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:Stupid Doom question. If you pick up the Blue Armor, that gives you 50% damage reduction. Does your damage reduction revert to the Green Armor value (33%) if your armor drops below 101%? If not, that means as long as your armor doesn't drop to 0%, you'll always have 50% reduction, even if you pick up more green armors or armor bonuses? I don't think it will revert when it drops below 100%, but if you pick up a green armor at that point it will reduce the reduction. I think this is why cosmetic doom won't let you pick up a green armor when you have a blue until the armor value drops below some threshold.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:Stupid Doom question. If you pick up the Blue Armor, that gives you 50% damage reduction. Does your damage reduction revert to the Green Armor value (33%) if your armor drops below 101%? If not, that means as long as your armor doesn't drop to 0%, you'll always have 50% reduction, even if you pick up more green armors or armor bonuses? I think if your blue armor goes below 100 points, when you pick up a set of green armor, it will put you back up to 100 points and replace the blue armor.
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That's what I would think, but I noticed this line in the wiki for Armor Bonuses:quote:Armor bonuses add 1% of additional armor to the player, up to 200%. If the player already had armor left, the protection percent is unchanged. Otherwise, the player is granted 33% protection (same as the Green Armor). But I don't see any difference in the class definition that would make that distinction between the Armor Bonus and the Green Armor there. So that made me wonder if the Green Armor pickup maybe just leaves your protection at 50% as long as you haven't lost your blue armor entirely. Edit: Ah I'm dumb, ArmorBonus is a separate class from BasicArmorPickup so obviously it just makes the distinction between those two things. Gwyrgyn Blood fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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I recall reading somewhere that Megasphere armor is 75% reduction? I wonder if that's true, I seem to remember losing armor really fast after picking one up
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Megasphere armor is identical to blue armor.
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If you guys haven't seen it before, you'll probably get a kick out of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcHQMufUVWo E1M1 Doom engine, rendering a single frame in ultra slow motion, so you can see how each of the draws is performed in order. It goes through the sectors drawing walls, then ceilings, then things, then finally the first person gun and HUD. Pretty cool to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VqLqbwjn8M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzCHC1V5nWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G4wOGf7_dU They come from this excellent code review of the Doom engine: http://fabiensanglard.net/doomIphone/doomClassicRenderer.php The code won't make sense to you if you aren't a programmer, but its still a great description of the BSP algorithm, etc in simple English.
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I'm playing through Ultimate Doom after only ever playing the shareware version way back in the day as a kid. It's pretty fun to see how influential the level design is. I just finished episode 2, and E2M7 really blew me away. Every time I picked up a key card I'd think "Man I have no idea where the door for this is." and it was always right there. Really solid stuff.
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apophenium posted:I'm playing through Ultimate Doom after only ever playing the shareware version way back in the day as a kid. It's pretty fun to see how influential the level design is. I just finished episode 2, and E2M7 really blew me away. Every time I picked up a key card I'd think "Man I have no idea where the door for this is." and it was always right there. Really solid stuff. Fun Trivial, E2M7 Spawning Vats is the first level of Doom they ever made. (E1m1 is one of the last, barring all of E4) Yeah that one always stuck out to me as really great level design. Its so huge and sprawling, yet it feels coherent. I think E2M4 through E2M7 are my favorite maps. And E3M2 is my least favorite, yuck. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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Haha, I just played some Reelism and got my first jackpot. Mowing down hordes of Sonic recolours while trying to take down El Cyberdemon was fantastic.
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The Kins posted:(In addition, the Excalibat is now a Katana skin in the new Shadow Warrior!) Do you have to own ROTT 2013 on Steam or GOG to get the Excalibat skin?
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Max Wilco posted:Do you have to own ROTT 2013 on Steam or GOG to get the Excalibat skin?
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Are there any settings I can tweak to improve performance in Winter's Fury? The computer I'm using can play most anything, but this WAD completely chokes it at times 
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Dec 19, 2013 06:06
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Options > Display Options > OpenGL Options > Dynamic Light Options and turn down the size of the lights; The dynamic lights were responsible for most of the frame rate drops I was having.
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I'm getting to the end of Scythe, and I've hit the Run For It map. Are there any tricks I can use to survive this, or is it just strafe-run everywhere and hope a bunch of monsters don't park their asses in my path?
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Geight posted:I'm getting to the end of Scythe, and I've hit the Run For It map. Are there any tricks I can use to survive this, or is it just strafe-run everywhere and hope a bunch of monsters don't park their asses in my path? That map is universally despised, and you won't lose out if you just skip it.
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Dominic White posted:No. The hint is in the title. Superschaf posted:"Doom" is the one that's closest to the original lighting. That means it's pretty dark, but things close to you are lighter. "Dark" is a fallback that is as dark as "Doom", but doesn't have the areas getting lighter close to you. If your card has the shader support for it, "Software" lighting mode is the one that truly is the closest to original lighting; but it uses shader code to emulate the light diminishing "backed" in the original COLORMAP lump. (If you know GLSL, you can even edit them to replace floats by ints and then you get the same color banding effect Doom had, instead of a smooth diminishing; but still in truecolor.) The "Doom" and "Dark" lighting mode are eyeballed approximations, while "software" is algorithmically exact.
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Cat Mattress posted:If your card has the shader support for it, "Software" lighting mode is the one that truly is the closest to original lighting; but it uses shader code to emulate the light diminishing "backed" in the original COLORMAP lump. (If you know GLSL, you can even edit them to replace floats by ints and then you get the same color banding effect Doom had, instead of a smooth diminishing; but still in truecolor.) The "Doom" and "Dark" lighting mode are eyeballed approximations, while "software" is algorithmically exact. You are right. In either case though, GZDoom is messing up in the detection.
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Cat Mattress posted:It only needs ZDoom actually. Sure, there there's some visual glitches around 3D floors in Hell, like some sprites from a different room seen through the ceiling -- probably because sprites are drawn last (as shown in these code review videos Zaphod posted and ZDoom's rendering of 3D floors is based on a hack of the portal system) and the mod features GLDEFS to bring additional eye candy when using GZDoom, but plain old software-rendered ZDoom was the primary target. I kind of wish there'd be some sort of color degradation, like software's COLORMAP but in truecolor. I always liked how Doom kind of sort of by accident simulated how human color vision degrades as the light level decreases. Sir AIDS posted:Can't wait for the update that adds gore sprites from REAL dead people pictures That was done about two years ago. It sucked, it was disturbing and gross, and everybody hated it. Part of the charm of Doom's violence is how cartoonish and unreal it is. You start adding photographic gibs to it and it just becomes creepy and distasteful. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Dec 20, 2013 |
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The guy behind Brutal Doom is incredibly unhinged and nuts. I'm not surprised, you'd have to be a little... off to create a mod like that. An ordinary person wouldn't be able to produce something so amazing. It's surprisingly polished too. Guy must be a good programmer.
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The only thing I like about BD is the gameplay (and not always, vanilla is still great), the gore stuff is stupid
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victrix posted:The only thing I like about BD is the gameplay (and not always, vanilla is still great), the gore stuff is stupid Quite the opposite for me, the only reason I came to it was for the brilliant sprite work, the gameplay was just icing.
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Brutal Doom is fun. It got me to play Doom again last year, and actually go through the entire game (and 2). I didn't use BD for my playthrough though. It's too much in anything but short bursts. I'm playing through BtSX and holy crap I am not good. I had to turn down the difficulty to HMP and save mid level just to get through one of the early maps in a reasonable time frame. I'm also playing through D2TWID at the same time, and having a much easier time there, even on UV. E: its not old, but I figure this thread is still appropriate. How is Wrack?
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Jordan7hm posted:E: its not old, but I figure this thread is still appropriate. How is Wrack? Its not released, so maybe it will get better. Its boring and bobby prince sucks at writing music that isn't copying famous songs.
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I am currently running mulitple deathmatch servers, Quake 1: 192.227.138.100:26000 Deathmatch on custom maps Quake 2: 192.227.138.100:27910 Deathmatch on default maps UT99: 192.227.138.100:7777 Deathmatch on default maps, running community patch 451b I have links for the custom maps in the PGS thread.
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