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You just know the sombrero guy was the first one they decided on. "Now how can we caricature these other states?" They should have made Texas's hat bigger, and made Utah a Mormon missionary.
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Meet the New Mexico. Same as the old Mexico.
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Axetrain posted:You know considering that this is supposed to be a Christian nation and all it seems to me the founders really hosed up by not mentioning Jesus or Christianity even once in the Constitution, way to drop the ball Madison! It was implied.
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Has anybody else seen this article yet? http://100percentfedup.com/189-senate-dems-vote-to-cut-pensions-for-vets-instead-of-welfare-for-illegals My brother posted it. I know he's smarter than this. 
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Troll Bridgington posted:Has anybody else seen this article yet? The annoying thing is that I had to look all over the place to figure out what they're actually talking about. It looks like the specific "Welfare" they're talking about is the Additional Child Tax Credit. http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2011reports/201141061fr.pdf
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:The annoying thing is that I had to look all over the place to figure out what they're actually talking about. It looks like the specific "Welfare" they're talking about is the Additional Child Tax Credit. But tax credits aren't welfare, that's their money!
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VideoTapir posted:But tax credits aren't welfare, that's their money! No, don't argue this. Tax credits are definitely welfare. It's not "your money" if you pay the same rate as others in your bracket but then you get extra back. Pretending tax credits aren't welfare, but is just giving back what is rightfully theirs is how the rich give themselves huge welfare benefits while pretending the poor are the takers. It's bad enough that credits don't show up on the budget because they're just a quiet loss of revenue. Don't use the same framing yourself.
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Phil Robertson from the show Duck Dynasty made some comments in a magazine about gays being sinners and using a slippery slope that it can lead to beastiality. He has been suspended from the show by the network. Now I've gotten a bunch of people on my feed joining a page called "Stand with Phil Robertson." Oh boy I cannot wait to see the fallout from this.
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VitalSigns posted:No, don't argue this. Tax credits are definitely welfare. It's not "your money" if you pay the same rate as others in your bracket but then you get extra back. I know this. Taxes are theft types often don't.
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Be prepared to see a bunch of people who don't understand what free speech is cite the First Amendment.
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Ratmtattat posted:Phil Robertson from the show Duck Dynasty made some comments in a magazine about gays being sinners and using a slippery slope that it can lead to beastiality. He has been suspended from the show by the network. I mean, what were they expecting?
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Ratmtattat posted:Phil Robertson from the show Duck Dynasty made some comments in a magazine about gays being sinners and using a slippery slope that it can lead to beastiality. He has been suspended from the show by the network. Yeah I got into a lengthy discussion on facebook about it. Everybody kept saying "oh but he was nice about it..he said he doesn't judge! He's not being intolerant!" It doesn't matter how "nice" you are about it...thinking its a sin and that they're making a choice in and of itself is a hateful intolerant idea at it's very core. Tacking on some "...but I don't judge!" doesn't mean poo poo. Also there's this clip from the article, apparently from Phil's biography: Phil On Growing Up in Pre-Civil-Rights-Era Louisiana: quote:I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.
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VideoTapir posted:I know this. Taxes are theft types often don't. Oh I see, you were mocking the inconsistency of the taxes-are-theft types being pro-credits because they "give the rich what is rightfully theirs" but somehow anti-credit if the people getting back their taxes are mooching poors not paying their fair share. Carry on!  That was always galling about Romney (well one of many things). Here you had the Republican Party under Bush campaigning that taxes were too high, and bragging that their tax cuts reduced the number of people who paid taxes, and then Romney comes along and uses the result of the same policies he supports (a smaller tax base) to call people slackers and moochers. The change in rhetoric from 2004 to 2012 was hilarious(-ly depressing). Conservatives 2004 posted:A wave of political “tax fairness” rhetoric in recent months has swept aside reasonable assessments of the Bush tax cuts. Tax cut critics have argued that the cuts have only helped the wealthiest Americans. However, 7.8 million low and middle-income families had their entire income tax liabilities erased by the cuts. Romney 2012 posted:There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement ... And they will vote for this president no matter what ... These are people who pay no income tax ... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. drat that communist Bush, increasing the number of people who will vote Democrat no matter what now that they pay no income tax. He betrayed America with his Marxist-Leninist Kenyan tax cuts! 
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Ratmtattat posted:Phil Robertson from the show Duck Dynasty made some comments in a magazine about gays being sinners and using a slippery slope that it can lead to beastiality. He has been suspended from the show by the network. I've seen a few things floating around on Facebook. My childhood friend was like "I don't get all of this fake outrage" etc, but one of his friends posted a pretty good response: quote:I just find it ironic that the guy who makes mating calls to trick ducks into thinking they want to gently caress them is talking about homosexuals & beastiality I expressed my concern that people are being held accountable for reprehensible things they say. I gotta go real quick, I have a movie to yell FIRE in to attend.
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The thing that gets me about the Duck Dynasty guy is that his view of the world is just ridiculously simplistic. In his teeny-tiny, childish world StraightJesusMerican is good, and everything else is bad.quote:Though he's worried about the state of this country, Robertson seemed even more concerned about non-Christian cultures. quote:Robertson also shared his view that gay men are "not logical."
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Guilty Spork posted:I mean, I like avocados, so it's just not logical for other people to like bell peppers, right? No, this isn't logical at all. Therefore you have a bold and lucrative career ahead of you in conservative media!
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Islamists have no Jesus? Isn't he the last prophet before Mohammed in Islam?
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All I can think about when people are getting in a tussle about the Duck Dynasty guy is "how dare you not tolerate my intolerance!"
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KKKLIP ART posted:All I can think about when people are getting in a tussle about the Duck Dynasty guy is "how dare you not tolerate my intolerance!" Everyone I know that's pissed about it are the same people that were calling for Noted Shithead Piers Morgan's job when he said guns were bad.
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Emron posted:Everyone I know that's pissed about it are the same people that were calling for Noted Shithead Piers Morgan's job when he said guns were bad. I'm guessing they also feel that cake company should be allowed to refuse service to gays as well.
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DarkHorse posted:Islamists have no Jesus? Isn't he the last prophet before Mohammed in Islam? Yes. Jesus is a very important prophet to Islam. Islam holds that he was immaculately conceived, was the Messiah of the Children of Israel, and that he was able to perform miracles. The only point of difference is that Islam holds that Jesus was a mortal man who lived as a prophet just as Adam, Noah, Moses, etc. before being lifted up to Heaven by God. This leads to the rejection of the Trinitarian view of Jesus as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, or that he was crucified and resurrected to atone for the sins of mankind. Fun fact: During the Middle Ages, Muslims accused Christians of being polytheists because of their Trinitarianism.
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Radish posted:I'm guessing they also feel that cake company should be allowed to refuse service to gays as well. It's actually sillier than that. Not only is it a first amendment right for cake companies to refuse to serve gays, but the resulting boycotts were "mafia tactics" to shut them down and take away their freedom of speech. For them, the first amendment right to free speech really is "Congreſs shall make no Law, nor shall any Private Perſon do any Thing abridging the freedom of Chriſtians to say Whatever they may Like at any Time for any Reaſon to any One; nor abolishing the Duty of Perſons of any other Faith to Shut the Hell Up."
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VitalSigns posted:It was implied. It's embedded into the Constitution and the Declaration of independence as encoded hidden messages. If you take every 666th letter it forms 'B H U S S E I N O B A M A'.
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DarkHorse posted:Islamists have no Jesus? Isn't he the last prophet before Mohammed in Islam? He's one of the most frequently mentioned prophets in the Qur'an, and he's an incredibly important figure in the Islamic version of the Day of Judgement as well. Jesus here is just a round about as gently caress way of saying "Not good clean WASPs." edit: Also I don't understand where he gets the idea that the Salafi movement is some sort of recent occurrence in the "past eighty years." Or Shinto. Or Communism. Like he's obviously not well informed to begin with, but "this ideology or religion or movement started at this point in time" seems like really basic knowledge. TGLT fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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I'm wondering whether it would be worth it to gin up an email about the Duck Dynasty racism thing in the style of a crazy email, but with the attitude of "Great example of the free market in action!!!" and "Only in America do we take a stand against racism!!!" and forward it to all of the people that send actual racist emails.
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Emron posted:I mean...Shinto? Really? I'm actually impressed he even knows what Shinto is.
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Guilty Spork posted:The thing that gets me about the Duck Dynasty guy is that his view of the world is just ridiculously simplistic. In his teeny-tiny, childish world StraightJesusMerican Literally talking about 'Godless Communists'. I mean, disregarding all the other silliness, Christian Socialism is totally a thing that exists. Hell, there was a period in history where most communists were religious. For that matter, there were, and still are, quite a few Christians in Japan; the Nazis were all about the religious rhetoric and Hitler literally considered himself to be on a mission from God; and everyone has already gone into detail on why 'Muslims have no Jesus' is silly. This level of ignorance is just painful. And it's also extremely common in much of the United States. 
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LtStorm posted:Yes. Jesus is a very important prophet to Islam. Islam holds that he was immaculately conceived, was the Messiah of the Children of Israel, and that he was able to perform miracles. The only point of difference is that Islam holds that Jesus was a mortal man who lived as a prophet just as Adam, Noah, Moses, etc. before being lifted up to Heaven by God. This leads to the rejection of the Trinitarian view of Jesus as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, or that he was crucified and resurrected to atone for the sins of mankind. This is still my favorite explanation:  Movie retcons. 
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Mister Bates posted:Literally talking about 'Godless Communists'. I mean, disregarding all the other silliness, Christian Socialism is totally a thing that exists. Hell, there was a period in history where most communists were religious. To be fair re: Hitler, He tried to literally remove the "christ" out of christmas, and attempted to make it a holiday based on Norse Mythology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_in_Nazi_Germany
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You see, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor because they're godless. We bombed Hiroshima in an act of cleansing, holy fire, because Jesus.
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FuzzySkinner posted:To be fair re: Hitler, He tried to literally remove the "christ" out of christmas, and attempted to make it a holiday based on Norse Mythology. Sounds like he was trying to get Christmas back to its roots. On the other hand, the Wehrmacht had "Gott mit uns" (God with us) on their belt buckles.
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KKKLIP ART posted:All I can think about when people are getting in a tussle about the Duck Dynasty guy is "how dare you not tolerate my intolerance!" Someone on this forum points out that "politically incorrect" is itself a politically correct term, in this case for "bigoted shithead."
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Dr Christmas posted:Someone on this forum points out that "politically incorrect" is itself a politically correct term, in this case for "bigoted shithead." Not exclusively bigoted, it's a pretty good catch-all for "ignorant and wrong jackass" in that context. It's amazing how people who rant about political correctness are so shallow or down-right ignorant as to the meaning. Something politically incorrect is anything that could be said or done to ruin a political career or position. The moment they are able to garner support for their "politically incorrect" opinions, this proves that they are not politically incorrect. It seems to me anything left of Barack Obama is far more politically incorrect in this country than anything the right-wing whines about, homophobia and bigotry included.
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Ha, you feel for their trap. You can't be to the left of Barack Obama, he is the most communist person ever.
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ShortStack posted:Ha, you feel for their trap. You can't be to the left of Barack Obama, he is the most communist person ever. It's not an email but at Thanksgiving I had a conversation with my 80 something year old mother in law who was telling me that she was a "conservative democrat" and that she loved LBJ and had worked for him, then called Obama a socialist. 
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TerminalSaint posted:Sounds like he was trying to get Christmas back to its roots. The Nazi's use of Christian theology is a big loving can of worms with a huge assortment of information about how it was used and to what ends, so lets not act like us trying to say something as definitive as "The Nazi's were real Christians because they invoked God" is any less silly than "The Nazi's were all atheists who purged all mention of Jesus".
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