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Phanatic posted:What's blowing my mind is how scared this guy was to fly a visual approach in broad daylight and unlimited visibility. I absolutely agree with your comments. As to the original quote...  I have no words.
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Isn't part of the training for large birds like that being able to calculate and carry out a glideslope for landing without the aids? 
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:The CIA have an A-12 in their car park - https://goo.gl/maps/YvKtl I was hoping you meant "sitting on the landing gear and taking up sixteen stalls" but that's still pretty neat.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:The CIA have an A-12 in their car park - https://goo.gl/maps/YvKtl Technically, that's a gate guardian, not in the car park... RAF Waddington's is a vulcan: http://goo.gl/maps/smlW6 e: also, RAF Scampton had a live grandslam bomb (22,000lb) as their gate guardian for 15 years before they realised that it was still live. SybilVimes fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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Tsuru posted:What's more mindblowing is that apparently the thought of requesting a different runway with a working ILS did not enter his mind at all. Apparently he thought that if he'd just close his eyes everything would be fine... That would be rude, you obviously do not understand the culture.
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hobbesmaster posted:That would be rude, you obviously do not understand the culture. Don't forget- it's also rude to wear sunglasses on the flight deck!
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hobbesmaster posted:That would be rude, you obviously do not understand the culture. I've been waiting patiently for someone to seriously say that to me regarding the Asiana crash, so I can rip their head off and beat the stupid out of them with it.
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MrYenko posted:I've been waiting patiently for someone to seriously say that to me regarding the Asiana crash, so I can rip their head off and beat the stupid out of them with it. I love how it was literally the pilot's explanation. Look at this poo poo: quote:In his post-crash interview with the safety board investigators, Lee Kang Kuk suggested he was reluctant to initiate an emergency “go around” in deference to the instructor pilot monitoring his handling of the flight, Capt. Lee Jungmin. The instructor pilot, also referred to as the “pilot monitoring,” or PM, was senior to the trainee pilot. In an exchange that illustrates a possible language barrier between the Korean pilot and the accident investigators, he tried to explain why it was “a hard thing” for him to take control of the plane for the “go around” even as the crash was near:
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Phanatic posted:What's blowing my mind is how scared this guy was to fly a visual approach in broad daylight and unlimited visibility. Children of the Magenta Line https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0rYX-Jn6o8 Many airlines in the far east have strict policies regarding usage of automation, that is, it is to be used at all times. Autopilot is switched on during climb and is left in place until ground roll. Reliance on automation leads to dependence on automation, and you have a crew that slams a perfectly good airplane onto an appropriate runway in beautiful weather. Polymerized Cum fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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Did anyone ever link the cockpit audio transcript? Theres actually extensive "why aren't you wearing sunglasses" discussion. http://dms.ntsb.gov/public%2F55000-55499%2F55433%2F544904.pdf
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Apropos of nothing, I finally bit the bullet and grabbed MS Flight Simulator X. I've never played it, and the closest I've come to doing so is Sturmovik IL2 and War Thunder. My nearly four-year-old daughter is sitting on my lap at my desk while the game installs, and a slide of an MD-80 comes up. Daughter yells "MAD DOG!" I'm like, "You want to fly a Mad Dog, Bug?" She replies, "Yeah! I wanna fly a Mad Dog right now!" Fatherhood owns, y'all.
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Dumb question: have we covered why MD-80s are nicknamed 'mad dog?'
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I thought it was just a cutsey name based on the MD acronym. MD=Mad Dog.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:I thought it was just a cutsey name based on the MD acronym. MD=Mad Dog. What a wasted opportunity: "my dong", "monkey dong", "mucho dong", "maximum dong", "muzzled dong", the possibilities were endless.
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EightBit posted:Isn't part of the training for large birds like that being able to calculate and carry out a glideslope for landing without the aids? Although the ILS was down, there was still a set of PAPI lights next to the runway which would have told the crew whether they were on, above, or below the glideslope, so there was no reason for them to have hit that seawall. Admittedly, visual approaches and landings can be more difficult in something like a 777 compared to a small aircraft (due to limited cockpit visibility, higher speeds, and the cockpit being well above the ground), but there are thousands of visual approaches done by large aircraft in the US every day without crashing into something, so the Asiana accident was just a failure of basic airmanship and CRM by everyone in the cockpit.
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Polymerized Cum posted:
I instruct foreign students from a certain country (  ) and it never ceases to amaze me how much they insist on using GPS and autopilot. The best part is how I've been reprimanded a few times for chastising them on automation management  ...then again, there has been some vindication in having a couple DPEs comment that my students handled GPS and AP failures pretty well 
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Shavnir posted:
That brings back memories. Used to ride in those on Alaska between ONT and SEA. That seat has got to be a violation of the Geneva conventions.
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The only time I got airsick in an airliner was in that row, middle seat, going into LAS on a Summer day. I think there was a lav or galley wall in front of it, too. WestJet painted a plane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZGzaDexRYE
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Shavnir posted:
BTW, gently caress USAir for taking seat assignments for decent seats well in advance, and then cancelling them without notice and SURPRISE! when you show up, all the government travelers have been moved to the last two rows. Seriously, WTF?? Man, that was like 5 years ago, and I'm still pissed about it. grover fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Dec 20, 2013 |
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AzureSkys posted:WestJet painted a plane: Also, at times I wish this was true: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4SkoJy3D0M
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slidebite posted:So where do they paint planes anyhow? Do they do it themselves? Planes get painted all over the place. Back when USAir bought America West, most of AWE's airplanes came to Miami, and got painted by Commercial Jet. Some airlines do em in-house, some don't.
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azflyboy posted:Although the ILS was down, there was still a set of PAPI lights next to the runway which would have told the crew whether they were on, above, or below the glideslope, so there was no reason for them to have hit that seawall. -The pitch increasing opposes the somatogravic illusion of deceleration, -The stall buffet doesn't come in way past the point where the shakers go off, and is masked by the flap and gear buffets (and possibly low level turbulence as well), -Because you are in a large aircraft with thick sound insulation you are also insulated from the aural cue of the aerodynamic noise fading away as the airspeed drops off. -Because the elevator control force is scheduled with airspeed, the controls get lighter as you decelerate, psychologically masking the increase in elevator deflection as you have to pull up more to stay on the glide. So literally all of your senses are being cuddled to sleep and the picture still looks right until it is too late. You now suddenly find yourself with an extremely draggy aircraft on the wrong side of the drag curve at high AOA close to the ground, and the massive engines in flight idle. Even if they had configured earlier and encountered the shakers earlier this is an extremely hard place to get out of below 500 feet. e: I guess the moral of the story is WATCH YOUR loving AIRSPEED Tsuru fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Dec 20, 2013 |
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Tsuru posted:They were on the glideslope until they lost so much airspeed the aircraft actually started losing lift. You see, big airliners have this thing where you make a visual approach and you keep the runway in the same spot in the window while bleeding speed, and if nobody is watching the speedo you will likely not notice until the PAPI starts turning red and the shakers go off because you have several factors conspiring against you if you are not experienced enough to catch them: Morale of the story is jfc what the gently caress is wrong with Asiana's CRM training. Lets go to the tape! Asiana 214 CVR posted:CAM-1 Someone in that cockpit was yelling about sink rate and air speed for some time before the crash*. This is Tenerife level poo poo. *NTSB confirms crew member's name as "Wi Tu Slo"
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I'm not a pilot, so can someone explain what the gently caress this means?quote:11:27:51.9 HOT Did the impact knocks a phone off the hook or something?
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hobbesmaster posted:Morale of the story is jfc what the gently caress is wrong with Asiana's CRM training. Lets go to the tape! I know I am dreaming, but I really hope this sparks an FAA audit and a reduction of Korea to FAA CAT 2 standards.
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FrozenVent posted:I'm not a pilot, so can someone explain what the gently caress this means? VVVV- I have no idea, I'm not familiar enough with the 777 to know. High pitched chimes are usually the master caution, but I think it's better to wait for Linedance to "chime" in with a respone. Tsuru fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Dec 20, 2013 |
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Tsuru posted:C-chord announcing they are approaching or moving away from the altitude selected on the MCP (likely 0 feet as they were mis-using FLCH mode) And for completeness sake, whats the quadruple chime?
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Sounds like the MCP was set to 3000 actually since he disconnected as the plane tried to climb. I think the door is a quad chime, most others are a high-low.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Looks like a A380 but with the cockpit in the right position. From a recent trip, they really do look like some sort of mutated Superguppy from the front:  Bonjour... Of course, due to a 'computer issue,' Air France was unable to load both decks simultaneously. Took nearly two hours to load the plane  Should have gone with the classic option...  Really should have dumped Air France entirely and gone with a real airline... 
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I've got a family member flying on a dash-8 in the near future. When they arrive do I offer condolences or grumble jealously? I haven't been on one yet, though I think I've been on almost everything else Bombardier makes these days. I could write a doctoral dissertation on the CRJ passenger experience.
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Psion posted:I've got a family member flying on a dash-8 in the near future. When they arrive do I offer condolences or grumble jealously? A Dash-8 100 or a Q400? Because there's a world of difference.
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Psion posted:I've got a family member flying on a dash-8 in the near future. When they arrive do I offer condolences or grumble jealously? Just like the CRJ - the originals are miserable, the stretches are ok.
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FrozenVent posted:A Dash-8 100 or a Q400? Because there's a world of difference. Q400, should've specified.
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Psion posted:Q400, should've specified. It's ok, unless they're really tall. Can't really complain about the Q400, personally. The 100 though, gently caress that thing.
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