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Motronic posted:Uhhh...OK. But, no. The US got this overweight pig in turbo trim as well. It still isn't all that impressive nor as fast as it looked from the outside (any holy poo poo that plastic interior and soup-stirring-reminiscent 5-speed). They were pretty fast for their time (and the later ones were actually on par with a C5 in the 0-60, good skidpad numbers too.), but it certainly doesn't "feel" it if you know what I mean. I got to drive one in anger; it basically feels like a giant, worse handling Eclipse.
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animeliker posted:it basically feels like a giant, worse handling Eclipse. Regardless of the numbers, that's what I'm saying. It's a pig (weight and suspension, among other things) and basically no fun to drive......unless you are a light to light idiot in which case it's the wrong hp/weight ratio to spend money on. Sorry, I know we have people on here with them and that must like them. But I just don't think it's a good car, even when put into the context of it's release date. It looked GREAT and underwhelmed at every single thing other than that. In fact, that's probably part of why I am so disappointed by it.....it looks so much like a better car than it is. Motronic fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Dec 23, 2013 |
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I first learned of the 3000GT in Gran Turismo. It was a much better video game car. Also I don't know who designs the interiors but they are amazingly cramped given how huge the exterior is. My tiny-rear end Integra is more accommodating. It's even slower than a 3000GT but you can't have everything 
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Motronic posted:Regardless of the numbers, that's what I'm saying. It's a pig (weight and suspension, among other things) and basically no fun to drive......unless you are a light to light idiot in which case it's the wrong hp/weight ratio to spend money on. I also think the very early ones look good, the ones with the fixed headlights look considerably worse.
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Detroit Q. Spider posted:I first learned of the 3000GT in Gran Turismo. It was a much better video game car. Also I don't know who designs the interiors but they are amazingly cramped given how huge the exterior is. My tiny-rear end Integra is more accommodating. It's even slower than a 3000GT but you can't have everything In Gran Turismo I think the 3000GT could be tuned to have 940hp. It's been a long time but I used to use it for endurance races.
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Fucknag posted:I was gonna say the engine sucked too, but apparently it has the same 2.0 Duratec that was top-of-the-line in the Euro 2nd gen (though with ~10 less HP). Apparently it was a good bit lighter too, all models around 2,600 lb vs. 2,700-3,500 for the Euro variants. But...isn't it basically a Mazda MZR? I don't think the Focus looks bad at all, maybe a bit boring but OK.
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tobu posted:In Gran Turismo I think the 3000GT could be tuned to have 940hp. It's been a long time but I used to use it for endurance races. Yeah this was THE game-breaking car in the original Gran Turismo... ...Unless you had a Gameshark
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tobu posted:In Gran Turismo I think the 3000GT could be tuned to have 940hp. It's been a long time but I used to use it for endurance races. I did this exact same thing! I don't know if polyphony had a huge hard-on for that car or if they just looked at the on-paper numbers and decided it MUST be faster than a GTR or supra by scientific deduction.
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Previa_fun posted:Yeah this was THE game-breaking car in the original Gran Turismo... My friend and I spent hours and hours on that game modifying different cars to find the one that was the fastest in a straight line, it was the 3000GT, said friend still has a mancrush on that car because of it.
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Even in the game the excess weight made it a pig to throw around turns compared to the Z, Supra (which I also think you could blow to the moon) and RX-7. You could tweak the diffs and I think even futz with the rear steer but that couldn't work miracles. Also unless I'm thinking of the wrong generation of GT, the fastest car was that ridiculous twin-engined Suzuki hillclimber.
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The best was that pikes peak car in GT2 that you could raise the front of and get to like 1000mph.
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Two of my favorite cars in GT 4 were the Buick Special and the Pajero. You could make the Special handle like a rocket-propelled battering ram on rails. The Pajero was the most ridiculous box-on-stilts ever, because it cornered like a go kart with a crazy lean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdC11k5VFeI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2ItXmyNXXc ...in which a Buck Special wins by pushing the other cars off the track then setting record times. anonumos fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Dec 23, 2013 |
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Snowdens Secret posted:Even in the game the excess weight made it a pig to throw around turns compared to the Z, Supra (which I also think you could blow to the moon) and RX-7. You could tweak the diffs and I think even futz with the rear steer but that couldn't work miracles. In GT2 there was always either a white or red Mark 3 Supra available for less than the 10k starting credits, and every time I started a new file I bought it and ground the Sunday Cup until I could afford whatever the top turbo was. After that just keep adding power and nothing else. I have so many fond memories of struggling to keep ahead of wheezy little Kei cars doing a near constant burnout until I crashed into a wall sideways. e: I was going to say this is scarily similar but I think this was how every 13-year old played Gran Turismo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ZP4htZhq0 redgubbinz fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Dec 23, 2013 |
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Man that is almost exactly how I drove that track down to looking backwards on the straightaway
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GT2 was probably my favorite of the series, all things considered. I played the hell out of GT4 but I still remember seeing the GT2 car list for the first time. 
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:e: I was going to say this is scarily similar but I think this was how every 13-year old played Gran Turismo. Man I remember being absolutely blown away by those graphics.
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:In GT2 there was always either a white or red Mark 3 Supra available for less than the 10k starting credits, and every time I started a new file I bought it and ground the Sunday Cup until I could afford whatever the top turbo was. After that just keep adding power and nothing else. I have so many fond memories of struggling to keep ahead of wheezy little Kei cars doing a near constant burnout until I crashed into a wall sideways. TVR Cerbera 12 supremacy. Shame that the physics engine would give it awful axle tramp and limit the top speed to about 5 km/h if you did anything dumb like use full throttle anywhere ever.
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Delivery McGee posted:My driver's ed teacher told a story of a past student, back in the days before automatic transmissions had safeties built in, who had a stuck throttle or something that required shifting into neutral while at highway speed. The student missed N and went all the way to P. But hey, it stopped the car! I did this once as a teenager in my mom's car. A bumble bee flew into the open window directly into my face at about 35 MPH. My immediate panicking response was to pull over, but to first put the car in park. It was the coolest sound I've ever heard a car make. It was also a Honda so it was aight
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 So this '00 Crown Vic shows up today. Dudebro owner says he wants to surprise his wife with new RIMZ for Christmas, so he had these 22s thrown on it. He's in the shop today because the car leans to either side when the steering wheel is turned. Offset is all, all wrong. On the front, the inside of the wheels are rubbing with the control arms on one side, and tire is rubbing the frame on the other. On the rear, the wheel is about an 1/8th of an inch from rubbing. Merry Christmas!  
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I wish I could get a crown Victoria in my country. They just seem so awesomely...punty.
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Found in sunny San Diego. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM?
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Astonishing Wang posted:Found in sunny San Diego. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM? Hey is that the pickup from that A-Ha video?
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Baller Witness Bro posted:There's also a Cobalt SS without anything that makes it go faster IIRC. It's just the normal car with the SS trim on it. Holy poo poo, the mystery is solved. My friend bought one of those a few years back (he wanted to buy a regular Cobalt) and kept getting pulled over for loud muffler tickets ALL the time. We couldn't figure out why a stock 4 cyl. sedan would come hooked up with a cherry bomb straight from the factory.
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From my local cars and coffee Yes that a $200k Audi R8 GT one of 90 in the USA with a autozone front plate and big rear end "Ferrari Killer" vinyl on the back glass. Terrible because of the owner, money can't buy class.
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Motronic posted:Uhhh...OK. But, no. The US got this overweight pig in turbo trim as well. It still isn't all that impressive nor as fast as it looked from the outside (any holy poo poo that plastic interior and soup-stirring-reminiscent 5-speed). If yours was turbo and a 5 speed, it was a pre '94 model since 94+(2nd generation) received the 6 speed and a huge power increase from 296hp to 320, as well as a host of other changes. Believe it or not, the later model 3000GTs, while heavy, we're actually pretty darn quick for their heft at 3,800lbs. Driving a 1st gen and making blanket statements of how terrible the car is is like driving a C4 corvette and saying the C5 is just as lovely. Edit: it was also desiged as a touring car. It was supposed to take you quickly where you wanted to go while looking good and feeling luxurious. Hence the digital climate control, active aero, leather, power seats, and other stuff that made it high tech and heavy. If you wanted a lighter nimbler car, they had the FTO and Eclipse to choose from. BoostCreep fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Dec 24, 2013 |
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BoostCreep posted:If yours was turbo and a 5 speed, it was a pre '94 model since 94+(2nd generation) received the 6 speed and a huge power increase from 296hp to 320, as well as a host of other changes. Believe it or not, the later model 3000GTs, while heavy, we're actually pretty darn quick for their heft at 3,800lbs. Driving a 1st gen and making blanket statements of how terrible the car is is like driving a C4 corvette and saying the C5 is just as lovely. The C4 Corvette isn't piece of poo poo though, performance wise at least. Sure it isn't well built, or reliable, and it has the 3rd worst interior of all time but it destroyed virtually everything in it's path in both autocross and showroom stock racing, and that includes C5s other than the Z06. It's difficult for me to say that too, nobody hates GM and its fanboys as much as I do. You also haven't explained what the point of the GTO was. It was trounced by the Lancer Evolution in the performance aspect, it wasn't overly luxurious, and it was unbelievably heavy. It replaced the Starion which was a great RWD based platform into an oversized Eclipse. Plus, the 1G models are great looking, those stupid fixed 1990s blob syndrome headlights the redesign had ruined the lines of the car. EDIT: Digital climate control was not a luxury feature. All Japanese sports cars and GTs from that period had it, and even compact coupes like the Silvia and 180sx, Celica, and Prelude featured it as well. Active aero was impressive....in 1985 when the Skyline did it. Power seats? Lots of cars had these. Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Dec 25, 2013 |
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animeliker posted:The C4 Corvette isn't piece of poo poo though, performance wise at least. Sure it isn't well built, or reliable, and it has the 3rd worst interior of all time but it destroyed virtually everything in it's path in both autocross and showroom stock racing, and that includes C5s other than the Z06. It's difficult for me to say that too, nobody hates GM and its fanboys as much as I do. You also haven't explained what the point of the GTO was. c.f. the "rational, considered" decision to replace the 2G Eclipse with the 2000-2011 3/4G Eclipse. 
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Mitsubishi was one of the largest Japanese auto manufacturers at one point, they nearly absorbed Honda iirc.
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animeliker posted:Mitsubishi was one of the largest Japanese auto manufacturers at one point, they nearly absorbed Honda iirc. Mitsu's strength mostly lies in its parent company which is enormous to a degree hard to understand in North America. The cars division has never been all that strong. I suspect they've had some internal reorganizations that have removed their access to preferential treatment on the bank/fi side. Without cheap credit you can only do so much in development especially after the collapse of the bubble economy. Honda might be suffering a bit of the same nowadays based on their pretty conservative R&D over the last decade. Their US arm has to have bled a lot.
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The (DSM)Eclipse and the Evo weren't ever sold in the same markets, except for a few convertibles sold outside of NA because Mitsubishi didn't have a convertible anywhere else in their lineup. The FTO came much later too (1996?).
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Just saw this story about a one-off Lamborghini Sogna. I'm going to call it terrible (at $3mil), but that could be debatable.   
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Huh. So that's where they got the design for the car from Top Gear 3000.
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I miss those old tread patterns that made real cars look like toy cars. Ditto with old chunky alloys.
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Throatwarbler posted:The (DSM)Eclipse and the Evo weren't ever sold in the same markets, except for a few convertibles sold outside of NA because Mitsubishi didn't have a convertible anywhere else in their lineup. The FTO came much later too (1996?). Both 1g and 2g DSMs were exported from the US all over. Japan got eclipses, as well as Europe, Russia, Middle East, etc. They were almost always FWD though. That's why the eclipse in the Gran Turismo games is called the Eclipse GT, is only FWD, and had amber colored rear turn lenses.
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BoostCreep posted:Both 1g and 2g DSMs were exported from the US all over. Japan got eclipses, as well as Europe, Russia, Middle East, etc. They were almost always FWD though. That's why the eclipse in the Gran Turismo games is called the Eclipse GT, is only FWD, and had amber colored rear turn lenses. They didn't sell in any significant numbers though
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Mitsu's strength mostly lies in its parent company which is enormous to a degree hard to understand in North America. The cars division has never been all that strong. Oh, I know. The apparent Honda merger would have happened in the early 90s, and there were rumours at late as 1996 of it happening. Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Dec 25, 2013 |
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A picture terrible in every way: I haven't been able to find the story behind it, but it's no great mystery going by the image itself.
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Maybe you just haven't been reading all the specs on the C7. The new "Ditch Your Ride" system allows for incredibly fast and efficient parking at any location where the onboard computers detect a ditch. Be warned, however, that if you attempt to use the system at an improper ditchless or on-road location you may damage the car.  The Corvette's price and performance make it a wonderful car for enabling schadenfreude. Ror fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Dec 26, 2013 |
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