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I just don't think Flash should be that fast. Not at first, at least. Like...make him fast but not, y'know, fast fast. Have his powers ramp up over the course of the series.
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One of these days I'd like to see altered physics for anyone at superspeed. Like, a 160 lb dude moving at the speed of a 9 mm has the momentum of a 95,000 kg locomotive rolling along at about 10" per second. Someone with that much momentum wouldn't be running; they would be a ballistic mass with arms and legs, altering trajectory by tearing off street signs and destroying sidewalks. It'd be like that bit in Hancock with the exploding bench, everytime.
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Dec 28, 2013 00:15
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Deadpool posted:Listen up because this is a momentous occasion. This is one of the few times you will ever see me post about something I liked in Smallvile. But at the end of this scene they show what Clark's speed looks like from the point of view of another person who will not be named. And I love the way they did it. This is EXACTLY what I think would be perfect for Flash, even a bit of wind hits Cloe's hair.
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Dec 28, 2013 00:41
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GOT VIRUS FROM MP3 posted:This is EXACTLY what I think would be perfect for Flash, even a bit of wind hits Cloe's hair. That looked horrible... what the hell are you guys on? I guess the lovely dialogue leading up to the "effect" seemed to make it worse, but still. That was pretty bad.
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Dec 28, 2013 00:47
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Aphrodite posted:Arrow made the list of top pirated shows of 2013! Good chance Australia is a significant cause of that. Season 1 was way behind the US, and I don't think season 2 has even started airing here yet.
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Dec 28, 2013 01:08
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teagone posted:That looked horrible... what the hell are you guys on? I guess the lovely dialogue leading up to the "effect" seemed to make it worse, but still. That was pretty bad. The general gist of it it sounds like they like, though. But yeah, that seemed more like an effects workprint more than a final bit.
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Dec 28, 2013 01:10
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Accretionist posted:One of these days I'd like to see altered physics for anyone at superspeed. Like, a 160 lb dude moving at the speed of a 9 mm has the momentum of a 95,000 kg locomotive rolling along at about 10" per second. Someone with that much momentum wouldn't be running; they would be a ballistic mass with arms and legs, altering trajectory by tearing off street signs and destroying sidewalks. It'd be like that bit in Hancock with the exploding bench, everytime. That would be awesome and you know it. You know what, give us a Hancock tv series where the lead is a drunk who fucks around with his powers and may or may not save the day.
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Dec 28, 2013 01:16
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Deadpool posted:A guy on another show said he wanted to play Nightwing on this one. That was the extent of it. It was the really disgusting jug-eared guy from Girls. I'd rather see Lena Dunham play Power Girl, than him as Nightwing.
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Dec 28, 2013 01:35
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Deadpool posted:Yes they have to check. And they said they'd been denied a very few characters before. Maybe they can retcon him into man of steel and we can pretend thousands did't die because Flash was giving Supes a thumbs up when he'd cleared a building to punch Zod through.
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Dec 28, 2013 01:38
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SirDan3k posted:Maybe they can retcon him into man of steel and we can pretend thousands did't die because Flash was giving Supes a thumbs up when he'd cleared a building to punch Zod through. I know this is probably not the case, but suddenly I need this to be what happened.
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Dec 28, 2013 01:41
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jscolon2.0 posted:It was the really disgusting jug-eared guy from Girls. I'd rather see Lena Dunham play Power Girl, than him as Nightwing. You're mixing up your rumours (hard to blame considering how many ridiculous rumours there have been for Superman/Batman, Arrow and the Flash) but the Arrow related Nightwing thing was Steven McQueen tweeting a picture of himself working out with a nightwing symbol on his singlet.
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Dec 28, 2013 03:37
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teagone posted:That looked horrible... what the hell are you guys on? I guess the lovely dialogue leading up to the "effect" seemed to make it worse, but still. That was pretty bad. compared to the other way they showed Clark getting around in that show the jump cut is way superior. I think a massive gust of wind and a trail of light in the direction he went would be better than a plain jump cut though, so he literally flashes in and out of scenes.
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Dec 28, 2013 04:56
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GOT VIRUS FROM MP3 posted:compared to the other way they showed Clark getting around in that show the jump cut is way superior. I think a massive gust of wind and a trail of light in the direction he went would be better than a plain jump cut though, so he literally flashes in and out of scenes. They're probably going to go for a bit of both in the Flash show. Slow-mo bullet time for scenes from Barry's perspective, along with 'whoosh he's gone' in scenes from other character's perspectives. Am I alone in thinking the Foara-vs-soldiers fight scene from MoS would be the loving perfect way to do a Flash scene? Obviously not the super-strength stuff but the way they utilized the superspeed effect there was just jaw-dropping. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkK7_FsJE7Q Might be a nice effect if he literally leaves a TRON-like red trail/afterimage when he zooms off. WarLocke fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Dec 28, 2013 |
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Dec 28, 2013 06:25
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WarLocke posted:Am I alone in thinking the Foara-vs-soldiers fight scene from MoS would be the loving perfect way to do a Flash scene? Obviously not the super-strength stuff but the way they utilized the superspeed effect there was just jaw-dropping. Clearly you aren't. 
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Dec 28, 2013 07:07
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WarLocke posted:They're probably going to go for a bit of both in the Flash show. Slow-mo bullet time for scenes from Barry's perspective, along with 'whoosh he's gone' in scenes from other character's perspectives. Faora-Ul was loving awesome, and if they could do something similar for the Flash show I would just die.
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Dec 28, 2013 07:44
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Keeku posted:Good chance Australia is a significant cause of that. Season 1 was way behind the US, and I don't think season 2 has even started airing here yet. <--- Aussie, we tend to be a nation of downloaders for such reasons.
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Dec 28, 2013 08:57
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I think the Smallville "instant disappearance" approach could work, but it needs to look a lot more dynamic. In animation we talk about things like anticipation and "slow in, slow out," which basically means you can't just suddenly shift into a dramatic action without some kind of build-up and follow through. Just having an actor turn around like he's gonna walk casually out the door and then suddenly be gone in a single frame is a really bad visual principle which is why everyone's saying it looks like an unfinished print. You gotta make him look like he's actually prepping for superspeed, like maybe he goes into a slight crouch or rears forward a little, something like that, and then disappear. And maybe have his body be a slight blur the instant before he moves so quickly he can't be seen that just, well, blurs out. And when he blurs back into visibility have him come to a stopping motion like he just finished running. The way that the guy moves in this video is pretty close to what I'm thinking of; just imagine him blurring into invisibility when he gets going. Even if the Flash (or Superman) can really, instantaneously moves so fast it looks like he goes from barely walking into totally invisible in a single frame, animation principles still suggest that you should never do it that way because, well, it looks bad.
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Dec 28, 2013 09:11
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Keeku posted:Good chance Australia is a significant cause of that. Season 1 was way behind the US, and I don't think season 2 has even started airing here yet. Definitely, I wasn't willing to wait. If Channel 9 doesn't respect its viewers enough to show stuff on time, then they lose me as a viewer - and it's not like I ever watch ads, I record everything I watch so I can watch on a delay and skip ads. I justify it by always purchasing the DVD of the season when it comes out.
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Dec 28, 2013 10:38
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At the risk of defending Smallville, I really liked how they portrayed the Flash's speed in the first episode he appeared in. I haven't seen it in years, but I liked that they made him faster than Superman. I think The Flash loses a lot of what makes him awesome if Superman is "The best ever at everything, always".
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Dec 28, 2013 13:53
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Narcissus1916 posted:I think The Flash loses a lot of what makes him awesome if Superman is "The best ever at everything, always". Good thing Flash has always been faster than Supes in the comics.
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Dec 28, 2013 15:13
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BrianWilly posted:I think the Smallville "instant disappearance" approach could work, but it needs to look a lot more dynamic. In animation we talk about things like anticipation and "slow in, slow out," which basically means you can't just suddenly shift into a dramatic action without some kind of build-up and follow through. The Flash usually has little lightning wisps to indicate he's going at super speed. So maybe they could just put that little effect on him for a second before he takes off. Krad posted:Good thing Flash has always been faster than Supes in the comics. Well, not Jay and (for a while) Wally.
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Dec 28, 2013 15:28
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Wally had a mental block. He thought if he outran Barry he'd have truly replaced him. He got over it. Jay I remembered wrong. He's a metahuman so unlike the others he's fast even without the speed force. Without it (it disappeared as part of a storyline) he could only do 800mph or so which Superman beats easy enough. With it, he can do near light speed. He's a bit slower in current continuity than other Flashes because of his age, but he used to be able to time travel and stuff like everyone else. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Dec 28, 2013 |
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Dec 28, 2013 17:07
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All this talk of superheroes and time travel really reminded me just how fuckin' pissed off I'd been with the first two superman movies. gently caress you you lazy rear end writers time traveling away all that fuckin' poo poo at the end of the movies. The first movie, fine, whatever it was cool, but the second movie too? Twice in a god damned row? TO make her FORGET you? Bah.
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Dec 28, 2013 18:01
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Hey guys, everyone should go put Arrow at the top of their list in this year's TVIV poll. And then list other shows you watch like POI or something I dunno, do I have to think of everything?
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Dec 28, 2013 18:37
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Drifter posted:The first movie, fine, whatever it was cool, but the second movie too? Twice in a god damned row? TO make her FORGET you? Bah. No, in Superman II he gave Lois an amnesia kiss, he didn't turn back time. I'm not saying the amnesia kiss wasn't retarded, but it wasn't time travel.
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Dec 28, 2013 20:21
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Phylodox posted:No, in Superman II he gave Lois an amnesia kiss, he didn't turn back time. In the director's cut he turns back time again.
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Dec 28, 2013 20:22
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Yeah, why the hell wouldn't you watch the Donner Cut, you heathen? And, seriously?!? What the heck is an amnesia kiss? Did he give her brain damage or something after sucking out the O2 in her blood? CHristopher Reeve Superman has super-EVERYTHING. He's a super roofie.
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Dec 28, 2013 20:59
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Drifter posted:Yeah, why the hell wouldn't you watch the Donner Cut, you heathen?
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Dec 28, 2013 21:01
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Drifter posted:Yeah, why the hell wouldn't you watch the Donner Cut, you heathen? The kiss just distracts her during the laser lobotomy.
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Dec 28, 2013 21:09
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I haven't watched a Donner Superman movie since the 90s. I'm more of a Batman kind of guy.
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Dec 28, 2013 22:26
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The wierdest thing about the Super-Roofie is that Bryan Singer thought it was such a good plot point that he used it as the basis for Superman Returns. Goddamn, Superman should not be that hard of a character to get right.
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Dec 29, 2013 01:02
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Superman is absolutely a character that's easy to write badly. There's literally no functional limit or consistency to his powers. Half the time a missile will knock him flat on his rear end, the other half he can shift the Earth's orbit without breaking a sweat. For someone without a supremely good handle on the character, it becomes either "Superman punches his problems away" or "Superman is just so lonely and misunderstood, you guys". Neither extreme are very good storytelling.
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Dec 29, 2013 01:41
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Phylodox posted:Superman is absolutely a character that's easy to write badly. There's literally no functional limit or consistency to his powers. Half the time a missile will knock him flat on his rear end, the other half he can shift the Earth's orbit without breaking a sweat. For someone without a supremely good handle on the character, it becomes either "Superman punches his problems away" or "Superman is just so lonely and misunderstood, you guys". Neither extreme are very good storytelling. It's why heroes such as Batman or the Punisher are more interesting.
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Dec 29, 2013 02:58
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etalian posted:It's why heroes such as Batman or the Punisher are more interesting (than a poorly written Superman). You should qualify that because you're wrong if you don't. It also works either way.
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Dec 29, 2013 02:59
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There's far more bad Punisher comics than good ones. Probably 10 to 1.
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etalian posted:It's why heroes such as Batman or the Punisher are more interesting. They're not more interesting, it's just easier to make them interesting (though a lot of times they're written kind of shoddily, too). The thing about Batman and the Punisher is that they're just human. Flawed, crazy humans, but human for all that. Superman is basically a god. How do you write an interesting god without making him either a capricious dick or a maudlin sad-sack? Even the Timm/Dini cartoon version came off as kind of a prick pretty often. The trick to Superman isn't his powers, which are basically so unlimited as to be dull. Whatever challenge Superman faces, he's got a power for it (or he'll discover a new one (then promptly forget it)). Neither is the interesting thing how lonely and outcast having godlike power makes him (which, I think, is a large part of why Superman Returns failed). The interesting thing about Superman, to me, at least, is that for all his godlike power he's even more human than Batman and the Punisher. It's his simple, small-town American upbringing that represents his real strength. He's driven by kindness, compassion, and justice. Donner and Reeve did a good job of it. They really sold him as a genuinely good guy.
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Phylodox posted:The interesting thing about Superman, to me, at least, is that for all his godlike power he's even more human than Batman and the Punisher. It's his simple, small-town American upbringing that represents his real strength. He's driven by kindness, compassion, and justice. Donner and Reeve did a good job of it. They really sold him as a genuinely good guy. Except when he turned 
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Drifter posted:Except when he turned Well, that was because of kryptonite and it was awesome.
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