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Attestant posted:I kinda feel a lot of the Kensai/Mage hype is a leftover from all the way back before Throne of Baal was released. Having access to fighter HLA's just makes the multiclass option a lot better in terms of melee combat at the end game. Kensai/Mage still chops up the SoA portions a lot better and gets spellcasting going faster, but I think that Fighter/Mage is the overall better option long term.
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flowinprose posted:The good news is that you can cast freedom from anywhere in the area to free the imprisoned character. So you can have a single fighter roaming around killing beholders with the rest of your party chilling at the entrance to the hive. Just make sure not to have your main be the one roaming around with the shield of balduran, and read the freedom scroll using project image so you don't use up your scroll.
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Factor_VIII posted:I guess that a Kensai/Mage has the advantage of being able to achieve Grandmastery in his weapon of choice. Though I don't know whether that's enough to counter a Fighter/Mage's access to all the warrior HLAs. Grandmastery is crap honestly. You get an extra 2 damage and 1 attack/round, but both of those are totally eclipsed by Fighter HLA Whirlwind and Crit Strike before you even consider Hardiness. I really don't think Kensage is better in any area at all than just F/M multi except maybe the end of SoA before you hit ToB and start packing on fighter HLAs. It's barely better even then, but HLAs blow Kensage out of the water in ToB
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MrTheDevious posted:Grandmastery is crap honestly. You get an extra 2 damage and 1 attack/round, but both of those are totally eclipsed by Fighter HLA Whirlwind and Crit Strike before you even consider Hardiness. I really don't think Kensage is better in any area at all than just F/M multi except maybe the end of SoA before you hit ToB and start packing on fighter HLAs. It's barely better even then, but HLAs blow Kensage out of the water in ToB With improved haste, grandmastery, those gauntlets and an offhand you can get 10APR anyway. Plus you can stack Kai with Critical Strike. Point is they're both pretty great.
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fong posted:With improved haste, grandmastery, those gauntlets and an offhand you can get 10APR anyway. Plus you can stack Kai with Critical Strike. Unfortunately you can't get Critical Strike as a Kensai/Mage dual, since it's in the Fighter HLA pool. You're restricted to the Mage ones.
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Mages are better tanks anyway, and a Kensai/Mage gets higher level mage spells faster than a F/M multi-class, as well as much better HP with Tenser. If you're running a smaller party so you can reach 6+ million XP before most of ToB, F/M is better, but in a 5 - 6 person party I'd much rather have the faster level 7/8/9 spellcasting than fighter HLAs or what have you. I just started up ToB, getting pretty much all XP available in SoA (except Watcher's Keep), and it landed me at 3.65 million XP. I'm not running either this time, but if I was a Kensai/Mage, I'd have access to level 9 spells by now. As a K/M I'd be Mage level 19 just about, while as a F/M it'd be ~15 - and I'd need another 2.35 million (~14.1 overall in a full party) before getting to level 9 spells - which is huge parts of ToB. Chain Contingency alone is way better than Hardiness or Greater Whirlwind. Insurrectionist fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Dec 28, 2013 |
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Dec 28, 2013 14:51
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Does anyone else console in boots of speed in bg1? It's 2013. Watching my characters slowly walk across empty maps for 5 minutes during my recent playthrough made me surprisingly frustrated.
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Dec 28, 2013 15:07
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I just increase the framerate, means I don't have an advantage compared to the enemies unlike with boots.
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limeincoke posted:Does anyone else console in boots of speed in bg1? It's 2013. Watching my characters slowly walk across empty maps for 5 minutes during my recent playthrough made me surprisingly frustrated. I frequently alt tab while walking through Athkatla and such because holy poo poo.
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amanasleep posted:They are all fun for different reasons.
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Why 17? For the extra 7th level spell? I would think either 14 or 15 would make the most sense. You get level 7 magic at 14 and at 15, I think, is when you get an extra Hold Undead, no?
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Kanos posted:I frequently alt tab while walking through Athkatla and such because holy poo poo. I just enable the dev keys and use ctrl-J to teleport around, because gently caress walking.
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Leofish posted:Why 17? For the extra 7th level spell? I would think either 14 or 15 would make the most sense. You get level 7 magic at 14 and at 15, I think, is when you get an extra Hold Undead, no? Hold Undead was pretty irrelevant. I don't think I used it, or even needed to use it, once.
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Iggles posted:Yeah, I definitely wanted more than one level 7 slot. I'd never want to be without Greater Restoration but it's hard to not have a Nature's Beauty. I've never run a Lathandrite before, so I wasn't sure how often Hold Undead would get used. I figure it'd have some situational uses to make things a bit easier, but meh. I would have loved the ability to be an evil ranger, because Storm Shield and lightning bolts would be fun to abuse. I think I shot more lightning bolts at enemies as a priest of Talos than I ever did with any other class.
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Alright thanks for all the tips i am going to run a fighter/mage MC. Does anyone have any suggestions for alignments or weapons i should focus on?
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I cant figure out what these "Fighter HLAs" are that you guys keep mentioning. High Level Abilities? High Level Attacks? Can someone enlighten me? My Swashbuckler dualled into fighter is level 16 and now I am starting to wonder if I am missing something  .UberJumper posted:Alright thanks for all the tips i am going to run a fighter/mage MC. In my uneducated opinion (doing my first playthrough with EE after not playing the game for ~10 years), most weapon varieties are fairly well represented, with Long Swords and Two-Handed Swords having the most representation. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Dec 28, 2013 |
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Dec 28, 2013 19:56
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Mickey McKey posted:I cant figure out what these "Fighter HLAs" are that you guys keep mentioning. High Level Abilities? High Level Attacks? Can someone enlighten me? My Swashbuckler dualled into fighter is level 16 and now I am starting to wonder if I am missing something High Level abilities, which you start getting when you hit 3 million XP.
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Mickey McKey posted:I cant figure out what these "Fighter HLAs" are that you guys keep mentioning. High Level Abilities? High Level Attacks? Can someone enlighten me? My Swashbuckler dualled into fighter is level 16 and now I am starting to wonder if I am missing something High Level Abilities. At 3 million exp, you start gaining 1 HLA per level up. These include things like Improved Whirlwind Attack (sets your attacks per round to 10 for one round) to Critical Strike (every hit is a natural 20 for one round). Each class has a different set of HLAs available to them. Multiclasses pick from the pools of both their classes. Dual classes only get one pool, that of their current class.
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Haha, drat. I assume that I'm not the only one who stuffed his bag of holding with drow items while visiting The Underdark only to find that they turn into dust when you leave? I have 150k gold so it's no biggie, but I was so going to make bank on all those drow armors. Pretty funny. Also, I have to say that having Hexxat give you a free bag of holding super early on is kinda unbalanced. It makes for less inventory tetris, but you never have to consider leaving something worthwhile behind.
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feraltennisprodigy posted:Also, I have to say that having Hexxat give you a free bag of holding super early on is kinda unbalanced. It makes for less inventory tetris, but you never have to consider leaving something worthwhile behind. Enh. Limited storage is as antique a gameplay device as save points. I guess one could argue resource management is A Thing but when was the last time you ran out of necessary potions or scrolls? Once I get all the bags, I just stuff everything I find into them until I run out of space and go "oh yeah, I have 4 scrolls of chill touch in here. Well, there's 20 gold, I guess."
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Yeah I use EEKeeper to give all my party 8 base move speed and immediately give myself a bag of holding, because gently caress moving at syrup speed AND tedious inventory tetris
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So i just quickly leveled up to make sure everything was working with the mods i added, and i then i noticed this: Most of the HLA just display invalid. What did i break 
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Looks like something hosed with your dialog.tlk.
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feraltennisprodigy posted:Haha, drat. I assume that I'm not the only one who stuffed his bag of holding with drow items while visiting The Underdark only to find that they turn into dust when you leave? I have 150k gold so it's no biggie, but I was so going to make bank on all those drow armors. Pretty funny. When I start a new game, I always cheat in the bag of holding sold in Saradush, which has an enormous carrying capacity and can fit many thousands of items (code is BAG31). I've had more than my full of moving things around between characters due to carrying capacity limits, storing things in containers in dungeons and doing multiple trips to sell everything. I'd rather spend my time playing the game instead of "playing" inventory tetris which is just a chore.
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I used to sperg about inventory management and cheat in a bag of holding too until I realized it was because I was picking up almost everything. Once I started just carrying the truly valuable stuff I found out that a party of 6 has plenty enough room and stopped cheating. Best of all I still had enough money to buy everything I wanted.
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UberJumper posted:So i just quickly leveled up to make sure everything was working with the mods i added, and i then i noticed this: *e oh you're talking about the description text. What mods are you using? Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Dec 28, 2013 |
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Basic Chunnel posted:This is correct. Many of the fighter HLAs are gated - you can't take greater whirlwind without taking regular whirlwind first, etc. The Mage list is greyed out because you hit HLA level as a multiclass before you have 9th level Mage casting, which is required for all of them except the extra spell slots. You're going to be playing for awhile before you get the Mage HLAs, but you can still fill out your high-level spell list. The BG2 Tweak pack. Here is what i installed: code:*EDIT* None of the mage HLA's work ether, i am guessing my game is just broken and i should reinstall. UberJumper fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Dec 28, 2013 |
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Exotic Item Pack is probably the culprit.
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I have found that you can rest until healed in Multiplayer of BG:EE and BG:EE II if everyone has the option turned on. If someone doesn't, then resting doesn't heal you unless you regenerate.
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Well i am dumb, HLA's are not meant to exist in BGEE, so the resources are not there, for most of the spells. Which is dumb, because they brought over a ton of stuff from Baldurs Gate 2.
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UberJumper posted:Well i am dumb, HLA's are not meant to exist in BGEE, so the resources are not there, for most of the spells. Which is dumb, because they brought over a ton of stuff from Baldurs Gate 2. Just run Tutu or BGT. Direct ports of BG1 to the BG2 ToB engine.
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Cythereal posted:Just run Tutu or BGT. Direct ports of BG1 to the BG2 ToB engine. But i can actually read the BGEE text/UI without a magnifying glass 
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There's a text size option baked into the widescreen mod iirc.
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It is kind of comical the extent to which BG2 does not accommodate an evil PC in the least. Even the rare quest with an alternate evil path like Trademeet pretty much goes "gently caress you you did it wrong have a reduced reward. Do it right next time". Edit: By the way what did they do with the Blackguard stronghold wise? Are any special considerations made for the fact that, Paladin or no, the Radiant Heart is a poor fit?
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Captain Oblivious posted:It is kind of comical the extent to which BG2 does not accommodate an evil PC in the least. Even the rare quest with an alternate evil path like Trademeet pretty much goes "gently caress you you did it wrong have a reduced reward. Do it right next time". Ironically all the best NPCs, including the best new one in EE, are evil. Korgan, Edwin, and Viconia are all the best members of their respective classes by a country mile, and Dorn and Hexxat are a shitload better than Neera and Rasaad. I think Dorn's almost as good as Keldorn, honestly.
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Kanos posted:Ironically all the best NPCs, including the best new one in EE, are evil. Korgan, Edwin, and Viconia are all the best members of their respective classes by a country mile, and Dorn and Hexxat are a shitload better than Neera and Rasaad. I think Dorn's almost as good as Keldorn, honestly. If you mean "better" as in a better character then that's an opinion. If you mean better as in better at killing dudes then that's objectively wrong. Wild mages and monks are two of the most power gamey classes at mid to high level. Not to mention Neera's insane quest bonuses in BG2 EE. Dorn was a power house in BG, but by BG2 spells and resistances matter a lot more than low THAC0. He's not bad, but he doesn't have the magic resistance of Rasaad or the ability to dish out huge numbers of high level spells like Neera. As for Hexxat, well she's an unkitted thief. Her high level traps are cool, but she's still stuck in a weird place by being the best for an underpowered class.
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voltron lion force posted:There's a text size option baked into the widescreen mod iirc. But I've always been partial to windowed mode because there isn't much more than 1024x768 pixels worth of things happening in vision at once and I've always been the sort to not maximize if I don't need to.
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voltron lion force posted:There's a text size option baked into the widescreen mod iirc. I never saw any font options in the BG2 Widescreen mod? The only fonts i can find are an ugly ugly font that is almost comically large, and makes everything look horrible. zedprime posted:I think you need separate font hacks, someone linked in the past couple pages. I went back almost 20 pages and nobody posted any links to font
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MegaGatts posted:If you mean "better" as in a better character then that's an opinion. If you mean better as in better at killing dudes then that's objectively wrong. Wild mages and monks are two of the most power gamey classes at mid to high level. Not to mention Neera's insane quest bonuses in BG2 EE. Dorn was a power house in BG, but by BG2 spells and resistances matter a lot more than low THAC0. He's not bad, but he doesn't have the magic resistance of Rasaad or the ability to dish out huge numbers of high level spells like Neera. As for Hexxat, well she's an unkitted thief. Her high level traps are cool, but she's still stuck in a weird place by being the best for an underpowered class. My opinion is objectively right.  I haven't actually played BG2EE into ToB yet so I'm just basing my opinions on messing around with them in SoA and I freely admit some of my opinion is subjective based on stuff like if they add anything new to the roster or if they're insufferable to have around(augh Neera).Neera is really solid, but oddly despite being a wild mage she's the blandest of the new entries compared to the rest of the cast. She's Edwin with less spell slots and the wild mage stuff, which is in my opinion basically an even trade with an edge to Edwin(which will shift the other way once ToB levels make Dweomer really abusive). Her voice acting is easily the worst in the entire game, which is unfortunate, and I really just don't like Wild Mages in general because of the Forced Reload syndrome that surrounds them so I'm biased. Rasaad suffers from being a pathetically weak pile of garbage until you get him a few key items and then he turns into King Shitwrecker. I find the Sun Soul powers to be largely garbage and I wish he was just a vanilla monk, but he does the job done extremely well. He's also got great voice acting which oddly makes him stand out really weirdly when you're doing his quest and he's having heated discussions with people who are being voiced by Beamdog interns. Dorn is a huge badass. His stats are loving great, Poison Weapon means he's an anti-caster guided torpedo because holy poo poo poison ticks stack, and he's a Paladin that actually gains cleric spell progression which means he can cast stuff like Armor of Faith. His quest rewards are also pretty great. Hexxat gets big ups from me simply by virtue of being a pure class rogue in BG2 that also manages to not be poo poo. Rogues are kind of underpowered but her sheer stats means she can backstab super hard, surpassed only if you're running a main character assassin or something. If she had a kit she'd be out of this world. Korgan, Viconia, and Edwin are all pretty much the kings of their respective roles in vanilla BG2 and they're all evil as hell. Kanos fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Dec 29, 2013 |
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While it is simple objective fact that Korgan and Edwin are the best at what they so, Viconias worth is far more debateable. Aside from her innate magic resistance Anomen is superior to her in every meaningful way. Also strength isn't multiplied by backstab so Hexxat really isn't that much better of a backstabber. She is more accurate not meaningfully more damaging. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Dec 29, 2013 |
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