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So I know comment sections aren't the best source for insight but it seems a lot of fans would like to have Vick as a backup/fire-starter for their potential rookie QB. Is he really still much better than most backups? I feel like last year his oline was simply atrocious.
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Intruder posted:Clowney looking pretty cool in the Capital One Bowl so far The one time they didn't, Clowney burst into the backfield and swallowed the RB whole. And they were trying to run off right tackle, away from him. He's just that fast and that strong.
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Jan 1, 2014 20:25
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I wish he'd go to Houston to play with JJ Watt. Have a feeling they take Bridgewater 
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Jan 1, 2014 20:26
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Quest For Glory II posted:He's showing immense power and disruption despite being regularly double and triple-teamed. He's fuckin goooooood. I totally understand why he doesn't have production; Wisconsin is literally running every play away from him, while STILL double/triple-teaming him. On that last Wisconsin touchdown, Clowney drove his two blockers all the way back to the QB, but he was able to step away because there was absolutely no pressure from anywhere else and throw the TD to his wide open receiver
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Jan 1, 2014 20:27
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John Brown posted:So I know comment sections aren't the best source for insight but it seems a lot of fans would like to have Vick as a backup/fire-starter for their potential rookie QB. Vick would be the best backup in the league and could probably still start for a handful of teams.
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Jan 1, 2014 20:27
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I think the big problem with Vick is his health so I think his best bet is backup and maybe a few packages designed around him specifically That's an expensive backup, though, I think the only teams that could afford him are the ones with young starters entrenched already (Niners, Seahawks, Bengals, etc.) E: I would actually take Vick over Dalton but that's neither here nor there
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Jan 1, 2014 20:34
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Clowney might actually be more disruptive in the pro's than in college. In college you can get away with putting that much attention and playcalling around a single guy like Clowney. That won't fly in the NFL. Although he probably won't be breaking the double and triple teams as frequently as he does now.
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Jan 1, 2014 20:34
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swickles posted:Clowney might actually be more disruptive in the pro's than in college. In college you can get away with putting that much attention and playcalling around a single guy like Clowney. That won't fly in the NFL. Although he probably won't be breaking the double and triple teams as frequently as he does now. Depends. Right now Clowney looks like what would happen if you put a NFL DE in the college ranks. He definitely won't be facing the same triple teams at a NFL level, because no DE ever does no matter how great they are, so he will probably produce more. Only issue is does he have the potential to be even bigger, faster, and stronger as he grows through his 20's.
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Jan 1, 2014 20:36
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Clowney will go to the Raiders and will be subsequently ruined
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Jan 1, 2014 20:49
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First 4 picks are qb's. Clowney falls to Oakland. Draft a 3rd round prospect with the fastest 40 time in the combine for old times sakes. 
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Jan 1, 2014 20:59
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swickles posted:Clowney might actually be more disruptive in the pro's than in college. In college you can get away with putting that much attention and playcalling around a single guy like Clowney. That won't fly in the NFL. Although he probably won't be breaking the double and triple teams as frequently as he does now. In the NFL the worst OT he's going to face in any given game is likely better than any he's faced at any point in his college career.
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Jan 1, 2014 21:03
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I'm on the Clowney bandwagon at this point but we'll see what happens in the combine
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Jan 1, 2014 21:03
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bewbies posted:In the NFL the worst OT he's going to face in any given game is likely better than any he's faced at any point in his college career. Yeah, but he isn't going to be double and triple teamed on every single snap, with the play being designed to go away from him.
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Jan 1, 2014 21:07
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bewbies posted:In the NFL the worst OT he's going to face in any given game is likely better than any he's faced at any point in his college career. But is the worst OT he's ever going to face stronger than two college linemen? Three?
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Jan 1, 2014 21:08
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zimbomonkey posted:But is the worst OT he's ever going to face stronger than two college linemen? Three? Depends on whether a team drafts Vishnu. 
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Jan 1, 2014 21:24
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Goddammit the Skins could have had Clowney with that pick.
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Jan 1, 2014 21:24
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The Gamecocks just got a stop on 4th and 1 on a run to Clowney's side when he got quadruple teamed and a teammate was free to make the uncontested hit on the RB e: also on the replay you can see he still stood up the blocker he was engaged with 
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Jan 1, 2014 21:25
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Yall are gonna regret your Clowney fascination when ESPN kickstarts its 'Clowney Character Concerns' campaign in a few weeks
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Jan 1, 2014 21:28
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Emanuel Collective posted:Yall are gonna regret your Clowney fascination when ESPN kickstarts its 'Clowney Character Concerns' campaign in a few weeks It will last until Manziel is spotted having a beer and then all attention will be on him. So about 4 seconds.
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Jan 1, 2014 21:34
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Goddammit the Skins could have had Clowney with that pick. Let's be real here, they would have completely wasted his talent and caused him to retire early and penniless.
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Jan 1, 2014 21:35
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I'd have to imagine that one of the teams at the top of the draft in need of a QB will draft Clowney instead. Which team is likely to do this? And who are they likely to pursue in FA or trade?
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Jan 1, 2014 21:52
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John Brown posted:I'd have to imagine that one of the teams at the top of the draft in need of a QB will draft Clowney instead. Which team is likely to do this? And who are they likely to pursue in FA or trade? Probably Jacksonville or Oakland. The only (real) QB candidates on the market are Vick and...don't know who else. Cassell and possibly Kyle Orton will be available too but they don't have any real upside.
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Jan 1, 2014 21:55
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John Brown posted:I'd have to imagine that one of the teams at the top of the draft in need of a QB will draft Clowney instead. Which team is likely to do this? And who are they likely to pursue in FA or trade? Rams don't need a QB or a DE!
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Jan 1, 2014 22:02
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Hand Row posted:Rams don't need a QB or a DE! They're probably going to cut Bradford
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Declan MacManus posted:They're probably going to cut Bradford Or trade down?
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Jan 1, 2014 22:04
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Declan MacManus posted:They're probably going to cut Bradford I would greatly enjoy seeing three QB's picked before the Browns at 4. Even more so because that means the Vikings will be in a really weird position. They have too many needs to trade up, yet will be stuck looking at least the 5th QB. I think by then BPA will be OT but they have zero need there. Ideally I think they would want to go DE but I don't know if I would like what's left enough to pick at 7. Jernigan maybe at DT? I don't know enough of his or Floyd's playstyle to know how that would mix. Hand Row fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jan 1, 2014 |
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Jan 1, 2014 22:11
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Clowney officially declared for the draft after SC's bowl game, if there was any doubt.
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Jan 1, 2014 22:52
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PrinceRandom posted:Or trade down? This is very possible. I doubt they take a QB with the #2 pick; it's more likely Clowney and then either Manziel or Bortles (whichever is still around) with their second first rounder. If they're both somehow gone (which would be bonkers) then they can take Boyd or Fales with their second or Logan Thomas in the third-fourth and sign either Schaub or Vick The Rams are in a pretty great position if they don't gently caress it up
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Jan 1, 2014 22:54
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Jan 1, 2014 22:55
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Benne posted:A.J. McCarron is skipping the Senior Bowl Worked for Geno
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I can definitely see the Browns going up to #2. I know there was behind the scenes poo poo with the Browns not being able to get a trade with the Rams for RGIII. But, that was specifically on Holmgren. I think the Rams would be more open this time to trade with Banner/Lombardi down to 4.
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Jan 1, 2014 22:55
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Declan MacManus posted:They're probably going to cut Bradford
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Quest For Glory II posted:Eh it's still $7m in dead money if they cut him, and Jeff Fisher doesn't seem like a coach that wants to groom yet another young QB. I thought Bradford was doing decently before he got hurt anyway.
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Jan 1, 2014 23:00
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Benne posted:A.J. McCarron is skipping the Senior Bowl
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South Carolina receiver Bruce Ellington is probably going to declare for the draft. He had his best performance as a Gamecock today, and even though he still has a year of eligibility, he's done with school and I think he's ready to move on.
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Jan 1, 2014 23:02
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Azhais posted:Worked for Geno ...who fell to the 2nd round while E.J. Manuel performed well and was the first QB drafted. This is not a good decision by any means.
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Jan 1, 2014 23:05
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Azhais posted:I thought Bradford was doing decently before he got hurt anyway. He's always hurt.
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Hockles posted:I can definitely see the Browns going up to #2. I know there was behind the scenes poo poo with the Browns not being able to get a trade with the Rams for RGIII. But, that was specifically on Holmgren. I think the Rams would be more open this time to trade with Banner/Lombardi down to 4.
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Benne posted:A.J. McCarron is skipping the Senior Bowl I don't even know... Unless he doesn't want to get shown up???
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Benne posted:...who fell to the 2nd round while E.J. Manuel performed well and was the first QB drafted.  Skipping the Senior Bowl for anything other than injury is a pretty big mistake
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