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Catchphrases aside, I loved Young Justice for how ambitious it tried to be. Also, Phil Bourassa's design for Tim Drake's costume is probably my favorite Robin suit aside from the fact it needs a longer cape.
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Young Justice also had some incredibly well animated action scenes.
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Gaz-L posted:...They're OWNED by loving DISNEY! How does something like that even happen, how can the most famous animation house in the world own Marvel and turn out something like that? Disney's not as much an animation house as an IP house that does animation. 90% of the poo poo on their channels is put out isn't good in the least in terms of animation, it's just the IP behind it that drives viewership.
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RevKrule posted:Disney's not as much an animation house as an IP house that does animation. 90% of the poo poo on their channels is put out isn't good in the least in terms of animation, it's just the IP behind it that drives viewership. Gravity Falls and those new Mickey Mouse shorts have wonderful animation!
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Dec 5, 2013 05:53
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jscolon2.0 posted:Young Justice also had some incredibly well animated action scenes.
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Gaz-L posted:...They're OWNED by loving DISNEY! How does something like that even happen, how can the most famous animation house in the world own Marvel and turn out something like that? Yeah well they also do this:  Using filtered photographs in lieu of drawing their own backgrounds.
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Dec 5, 2013 06:00
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Sex_Ferguson posted:This wasn't as apparent in Spectacular Spider-Man, but I'd also rather not remember SSM because it's so good I get sad when it got cancelled after two loving seasons. It also helps that he was on Spectacular after a season had passed, instead of power plotting from the beginning.
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Dec 5, 2013 06:24
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Oh man, they are trying so hard to copy that shot from the Avengers movie where all the Avengers are back-to-back in a circle but they are just failing so hard.
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Dec 5, 2013 06:45
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Fuego Fish posted:Yeah well they also do this:
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Dec 5, 2013 06:51
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Lego Marvel Super Heroes handled kid friendly Deadpool so much better it's not even funny.
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Dacap posted:Marvel needs to copy what DC does with their DTVs and just adapt famous storylines. They did that all the time in EMH. Honestly the major problem with Marvel's current cartoons is that they are flat and boring. There's the usual whatnot you can expect from a superhero cartoon: punches happen, there are sometimes explosions, a ludicrous overabundance of laser beams, etc. But the plots are as dull and unchanging as any prolonged toy commercial from the 1980s. The villain shows up near the beginning of the episode, they enact a plot, the heroes take time out of their busy schedule arguing with each other like petulant five-year-olds to actually do their loving jobs, and then everything returns to the status quo. Maybe with a shot of the villain at the end going "next time things will be different, ho ho" and then nothing is ever different. Effectively you can watch all the episodes in any order you like and the amount of confusion you might experience will be negligible. There was an episode of Ultimate Spider-Man where Spider-Man and Nova team up in outer space with the Guardians of the Galaxy, and there's this whole lesson learned about how Nova isn't the unlikeable little poo poo he comes off as in every other episode ever made. Except nope next episode their relationship remains exactly the same, like nothing ever happened. Contrast this to EMH. The lineup changes from episode to episode: heroes quit, come back, new heroes join. It's not a wholly connected story, you can miss an episode without losing track of the plot, but it rewards the audience by making them feel like things are progressing. Hawkeye starts the series on the run, framed for being a spy, and then later he's a bonafide hero with his name cleared. Basically the latest crop of Marvel shows treat their audience as if all they want from a show is some instant gratification with punching and lasers and a few explosions. Which is kind of weird because that's exactly what the Marvel movies aren't. Mostly, anyway. There's action, yes, but also some intrigue and human moments. Kids are smart enough to recognise this, and they also like it. There's a reason that Avatar: the Last Airbender was a big hit. Hell, even Ben 10 doesn't talk down to its audience like the Marvel shows do. The Marvel cartoons need to stop treating 10-to-14-year-olds like 4-year-olds. Or, my personal preference, all get cancelled and replaced by a better set of cartoons with actual animation written by people who aren't idiots.
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You'll need someone other than Loeb in charge of that division if you want to see improvement, and I don't think he's leaving any time soon.
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True, but a man can dream.
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A good example of how little of a poo poo Loeb gives about stories with continuity is the "DOOMED!" episode of Spider-Man. I want everyone who knows anything about good character writing to go watch that episode, because literally the entire episode is spent teaching a lesson to the team about how they are ridiculously in over their heads when fighting solo and it's only through teaming up they were able to stop the Hellicarrier from being blown to high hell. All of this is caused by Peter and Nova's pissing contest and Nova going straight to the top of SHIELD's most wanted list thinking that Doctor Doom was someone they should be loving with. So after the chaos ends and the Doombot is destroyed, Fury lines all of them up telling them whoever's responsible has to hit the road. Peter steps up first because he's responsible for bringing up them going after a villain (Even though Nova was the one who forced them to go after Doom, really) and the rest of the team steps forward with them showing they're all willing to take the punishment as a team. Of course Fury lets it roll off his back and appreciates them finally looking like a team. So how does the episode which teaches us that being a hot headed jerk who fights solo is only going to get you in trouble? Doom's face shows up on a screen and he essentially tells the team to go gently caress themselves, then Nova rushes off to the hangar to head back to Latveria and fight Doom for real while his team runs after him trying to stop him. It is the third episode and the last episode I watched before the Deadpool episode happened. It defied logic how anyone looked at that episode and honestly thought any good message was being conveyed through it and they didn't completely just gently caress their message up. EDIT: I remembered just now that I've also seen the Coulson dates Aunt May episode when my cousin was watching it and holy hell does Peter just come off as a petulant child during that whole episode.
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Lurdiak posted:YJ was so painfully dull that I have no idea how it stayed on the air so long. My favourite part of that whole scene is when they mention the idea of recruiting Icon and Superman mentions being really interested in Icon when he first showed up thinking he might have been a Kryptonian. Then Wonder Woman perks up and says something about wanting to examine him. And I can't remember what it was she says, but the clear implication I got from the scene was that Wonder Woman was publically stating that she wants to bring in Icon just so she can have sex with him.
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Man, I need to watch EMH again, its been awhile. The last episode of Ultimate Spiderman I watched, Spiderman was on his....Spider Cycle and landed it in front of two kids. The kids just walk up to the bike and go "WOW! I WISH I HAD ONE OF THESE! ITS SO COOL!" and are never seen again. It was such a loving "BUY THIS TOY" moment. Are the lovely Loeb versions of once good shows actually doing better in ratings than Spectacular and EMH?
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E the Shaggy posted:Man, I need to watch EMH again, its been awhile. No I don't think so.
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Picking up on YJ talk, I got bored very quickly of every episode ending with the villains in some way going "our plan failed, just according to our bigger master plan!"
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Honest Thief posted:Picking up on YJ talk, I got bored very quickly of every episode ending with the villains in some way going "our plan failed, just according to our bigger master plan!" It's loving bizarre. It's all such incoherent nonsense over the course of the two seasons.
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Spiderdrake posted:You will still find people who will argue the disastrous end run of the Light in YJ went according to their plan. For some reason no matter how poorly written and incoherent a plan is, as long as the villain looks at the camera and says that, a chunk of the audience will firmly believe them and not think the show is being lovely. If you can think of a less complicated way to steal War World for Darkseid, I'd like to hear it.
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Anyone else see the Marvel Lego Overlord show last night? Watched it with my daughter last night. Lots of fun and humorously meta. Very nice animation and vibrant too. If you like the Lego games that's an extra plus too. Guy doing the Mandarian did a pitch perfect riff on the Kingsley version.
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Fuego Fish posted:True, but a man can dream.
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Timeless Appeal posted:Well, if Bleeding Cool is to be believed (I know), Wacker is moving to animation which would be loving amazing if he's taking over from Loeb. I imagine that would just mean that they're splitting TV between them so Wacker would handle animation and Loeb would handle live action
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Oh good what Agents of SHIELD's stellar run was missing so far was even more of the Midas Touch of Loeb.
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Other than Teen Titans does DC have any animated stuff going on right now?
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Dacap posted:I imagine that would just mean that they're splitting TV between them so Wacker would handle animation and Loeb would handle live action
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Spiderdrake posted:You will still find people who will argue the disastrous end run of the Light in YJ went according to their plan. For some reason no matter how poorly written and incoherent a plan is, as long as the villain looks at the camera and says that, a chunk of the audience will firmly believe them and not think the show is being lovely. And they apparently had seven seasons plotted out for their overarching story! Imagine how dull every season finale would get when you have half a dozen of them ending with the Light talking about everything going as planned.
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Timeless Appeal posted:As someone who doesn't really care about the Marvel Cineverse, but has hopes for what Marvel Animation can be, it's still a big deal. Wacker's been a great editor when he's not a huge rear end in a top hat. I'm hoping this means they improve their DTV offerings. The recent Marvel ones have all been pretty terrible. DC at least has been approaching theirs smartly by adapting popular storylines and I think marvel could easily do the same.
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Has Marvel ever done that? Planet Hulk is the only thing I can remember. It's kind of amazing they haven't tried to adapt any of their big story arcs. What are the rules concerning the rights to DTV movies? They had one with Wolverine and some mutants, which makes me think they can use anyone?
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ToastyPotato posted:Has Marvel ever done that? Planet Hulk is the only thing I can remember. It's kind of amazing they haven't tried to adapt any of their big story arcs. What are the rules concerning the rights to DTV movies? They had one with Wolverine and some mutants, which makes me think they can use anyone? They own all their own animation rights.
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Srice posted:And they apparently had seven seasons plotted out for their overarching story! Mimir posted:There's a picture of a seven-season cork board in their writer's room going around. Spiderdrake fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jan 2, 2014 |
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Spiderdrake posted:The real trick is getting me to believe that. There's a picture of a seven-season cork board in their writer's room going around.
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Mimir posted:There's a picture of a seven-season cork board in their writer's room going around. edit: Forgot what thread I was in, everybody here would know what I meant if I just said I hope it looks like The Question made it
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Hazo posted:I hope it's positively Glenn Beck-ian "Not TwoPair fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jan 2, 2014 |
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Dacap posted:I'm hoping this means they improve their DTV offerings. The recent Marvel ones have all been pretty terrible. DC at least has been approaching theirs smartly by adapting popular storylines and I think marvel could easily do the same. DTV cartoons are a dying market in terms of sales, even for DC. I don't know why Marvel would want to get into that.
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Hakkesshu posted:DTV cartoons are a dying market in terms of sales, even for DC. I don't know why Marvel would want to get into that. I imagine they could produce them for Netflix.
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ToastyPotato posted:Has Marvel ever done that? Planet Hulk is the only thing I can remember. It's kind of amazing they haven't tried to adapt any of their big story arcs. What are the rules concerning the rights to DTV movies? They had one with Wolverine and some mutants, which makes me think they can use anyone? They now own the animated rights to all of their characters. Its why Wolverine and the X-men, and that new spider-man show were cancelled.
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muscles like this? posted:Other than Teen Titans does DC have any animated stuff going on right now? They've got movies for the New 52 JLA's origin story and Morrison's Batman & Son in the works. I think Beware the Batman is technically on hiatus, but who knows if it'll really be back. There's pretty much always a Batman cartoon though, so if they do cancel it I betcha they'll turn around and announce something new.
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Apparently the guy who voices Batman on the BtB says it's coming back this month. Still, there hasn't been any announcement of a second season and I can't imagine it possibly getting a re-order. The show isn't exactly getting viewers either, IIRC. VVV: That's what I meant. Season 1 is finishing up this month then I doubt there'll be a season 2. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jan 2, 2014 |
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