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Intruder posted:"Lions take a WR in the first" is a tired joke regardless On the other hand, it's still incredible to think back to them taking 4 WR in the top 10 within 5 years.
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Jan 3, 2014 04:52
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Doltos posted:Evans is slowish and doesn't create good separation with his speed. That'll hurt him as a possession WR at the next level. Luckily he's an amazing jump ball specialist. Wonder how that's gonna work out. Does this describe any particularly successful NFL receivers? I can't think of any (besides a certain number of tight ends).
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Jan 3, 2014 05:25
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DeimosRising posted:Does this describe any particularly successful NFL receivers? I can't think of any (besides a certain number of tight ends). Fitzgerald is probably the closest star caliber player.
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Jan 3, 2014 05:36
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bewbies posted:Fitzgerald is probably the closest star caliber player. I'd say Boldin too but he's got deceptive quickness.
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Jan 3, 2014 05:41
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Okay maybe AJ McCarron should do the Senior Bowl after all.
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McCarron looks downright awful under pressure It's like if he feels any pressure at all he either slings it OOB or tucks it and gives up on looking downfield
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Quest For Glory II posted:Okay maybe AJ McCarron should do the Senior Bowl after all.
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he's never really felt much pressure. always sucks to watch a kid lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in real time.
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bewbies posted:Fitzgerald is probably the closest star caliber player. Fitzgerald is not a slouch. Not at all. Even he maintained he's a low 4.5 runner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYSSY7t0kLA Im sorry but that guy isn't slow. In any world. He flat out BLOWS by Troy P and Troy was trying flat out. He gave up instantly
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AAA DOLFAN posted:Fitzgerald is not a slouch. Not at all. Even he maintained he's a low 4.5 runner. He isn't slow compared to me but he is certainly in the bottom third of NFL WRs. If anything he is a great example of why pure speed at the position isn't all that critical.
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I don't remember, was Randy Moss particularly fast? I thought he was more of a good hands guy.
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Moss was blazingly fast, especially when he was young. Jerry Rice is probably the 'slow' equivalent if we're picking from hall of famers/should be hall of famers soon. vv--my not joke or someone else's? Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Jan 3, 2014 |
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I don't get your joke.
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bewbies posted:He isn't slow compared to me but he is certainly in the bottom third of NFL WRs. If anything he is a great example of why pure speed at the position isn't all that critical. I've seen way too many passes caught by him that are taken to the house with great speed. I just flat out disagree. He might be a strong runner against opposition and doesn't time well. Like Deion once said... "Next Man Speed"
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PrinceRandom posted:I don't remember, was Randy Moss particularly fast? I thought he was more of a good hands guy. Well he ran a 4.25...
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AAA DOLFAN posted:Fitzgerald is not a slouch. Not at all. Even he maintained he's a low 4.5 runner. Boldin & Fitz 
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Grittybeard posted:Moss was blazingly fast, especially when he was young. Jerry Rice is probably the 'slow' equivalent if we're picking from hall of famers/should be hall of famers soon. I'm new to NFL so I vaguely remember his Patriots days.
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AAA DOLFAN posted:I've seen way too many passes caught by him that are taken to the house with great speed. I just flat out disagree. I'd say fitz makes more contested catches than any other top tier wide out in the league. The strongest part of his game is his body control and his strength in the air, not his ability to burn dudes with pace. Also I think Moss is probably in the top 10 fastest guys in the history of the league. His rookie season was just something else.
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I think Fitzgerald could be called deceptively fast and it's because of his technical abilities in routes that he gets so open when he his. He is really good with hip and head fakes and that alone can earn you seperation if you're fast enough. No one would say Fitzgerald is fast in NFL terms, but he's fast enough to get it done.
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Intruder posted:Was Randy Moss the most physically complete WR in NFL history? Calvin Johnson and it isn't really very close.
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bewbies posted:I'd say fitz makes more contested catches than any other top tier wide out in the league. The strongest part of his game is his body control and his strength in the air, not his ability to burn dudes with pace. Oh I agree absolutely, Im just saying he's not slow. Not at all.
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Pretty sure that honor goes to Calvin Johnson. Moss was never strong enough to out muscle a defender - just enough of a freak to where QBs could just throw it deeper or higher and he'd go get it.
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Jan 3, 2014 06:27
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Intruder posted:How many rounds did McCarron cost himself tonight? I would say outta second day without a Senior bowl. 5th maybe?
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Intruder posted:How many rounds did McCarron cost himself tonight? At least two, probably. He's not a guy who's gonna impress in workouts so if he really skips the Senior Bowl I think he might even end up as a third day pick.
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I just assumed McCarron would pull the full Nassib: get insanely hyped and then drop to the 6th round or something.
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Grozz Nuy posted:At least two, probably. He's not a guy who's gonna impress in workouts so if he really skips the Senior Bowl I think he might even end up as a third day pick. I just can't imagine teams being enamored by a guy with a reputation as a game manager who just proved he can't be counted on to not fall apart under pressure
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bewbies posted:Fitzgerald is probably the closest star caliber player. He's almost identical in every way to Marques Colston. Both run a 4.5, Colston is an inch shorter, excellent on routes and makes circus catches with great hands in traffic. Evans might be a better run blocker down the line. And no that's not bad. Colston has excellent career stats and no one even knows he exists because guy is quiet as hell while he does his job. If you drafted a WR in the first round and got Colston you'd have hit that pick.
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Intruder posted:I just can't imagine teams being enamored by a guy with a reputation as a game manager who just proved he can't be counted on to not fall apart under pressure Dude won two NCCGs. Played in the SEC. He's played more high pressure games than some NFL QBs.
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MJBuddy posted:Dude won two NCCGs. Played in the SEC. He's played more high pressure games than some NFL QBs. I love that this is considered a qualification Also this is a pro-Tebow argument too 
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bewbies posted:Calvin Johnson and it isn't really very close. The only thing that stopped his pre hype draft hype from being over the top ridiculous was Reggie Ball.
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Intruder posted:I love that this is considered a qualification I think MJBuddy is just giving the devil's advocate argument here, not necessarily his own feelings. At least, I hope.  VVVVVEDIT: "outdueled Johnny Football"  Welp, nevermind
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Intruder posted:I love that this is considered a qualification You said he cracks under pressure. I'm just pointing out that he's played more meaningful games on national TV with bigger stakes than say, Ryan Tannehil over the last three years. The SEC has better teams and more of them, generally, and he's had to play games against them that people literally hyped for weeks. He outdueled Johnny Football. Like, if his footwork or skill set is lacking sure he's weak, but he has what? 5 losses? and one is to Johnny Football, one is a freak kick return, one is to a #2 LSU team with one of the best defenses in history, who he eventually rematched and beat, and this game. This was probably the worst loss in his career but to re-write his history would be a horrible personnel decision.
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Intruder posted:I love that this is considered a qualification Well, aside from this year, the SEC was a very dominant conference in terms of defense. So to be productive against the defenses of LSU, Florida, and Georgia (again, not this year) is a pretty good accomplishment.
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MJBuddy posted:You said he cracks under pressure. I'm just pointing out that he's played more meaningful games on national TV with bigger stakes than say, Ryan Tannehil over the last three years. The SEC has better teams and more of them, generally, and he's had to play games against them that people literally hyped for weeks. I'm not talking about the pressure of big time games, I'm talking about the pressure provided by a defensive line. Tonight at least he was crumbling every time he saw a defender make a run at him, constantly throwing balls away or tucking and taking sacks when he had receivers open Also outdueling JFF means nothing to me considering I vowed to stop being a Texans fan if they take JFF
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bhsman posted:I think MJBuddy is just giving the devil's advocate argument here, not necessarily his own feelings. At least, I hope. I'm absolutely not saying he's some magic hall of famer for being in the SEC, just that he's seen high pressure games while there and has been given an incredibly high number of chances to choke on immense stages and seems to have avoided if.
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Intruder posted:I'm not talking about the pressure of big time games, I'm talking about the pressure provided by a defensive line. Tonight at least he was crumbling every time he saw a defender make a run at him, constantly throwing balls away or tucking and taking sacks when he had receivers open poo poo I completely misunderstood that. And yes the outdueling thing is a joke.
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MJBuddy posted:I'm absolutely not saying he's some magic hall of famer for being in the SEC, just that he's seen high pressure games while there and has been given an incredibly high number of chances to choke on immense stages and seems to have avoided if. I understand, but all of that is wholly compounded by the fact that he is a game manager for the most stacked team in the nation and with piss-weak schedules (occasional big games aside). He's rarely - if ever - been asked to carry the team when they are down - again, if ever - and in terms of physical talent he seems like a less athletic Schaub. And I'm talking post week five Schaub here. Take away his stacked offensive line, defense, and stable of freak running backs (another one? Seriously??? gently caress.), and what does McCarron really do? He could be the next Tom Brady, fine, whatever, but he's done nothing to show it. Intruder posted:Also outdueling JFF means nothing to me considering I vowed to stop being a Texans fan if they take JFF 
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