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midnightclimax
Dec 3, 2011

by XyloJW
Just signed up as kevezantir on chess.com and redhotpawn.com. Is "redhotpawn" a reference? Because to me it just sounds like a SM/Torture porn website.

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spooky_rob
Jul 1, 2013

by T. Finninho
I've been using Lucas Chess for a long while now and today I decided to go to their website and, to my surprise, found out they've released a new version a couple days ago. If you like playing against computer, I highly recommend trying it out. It comes with 21 engines.

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Spug
Dec 10, 2006

Then turn not pale, beloved snail, but come and join the dance.
I'll have a lot more free time in 2014, so after many years as a hobby player, I'm joining a chess club and plan to devote a lot more time to chess. Thanks, Carlsen. Any chess resolutions here for the new year?

FullLeatherJacket
Dec 30, 2004

Chiunque può essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett

I've also started getting into it more seriously in the last couple of months.

I feel like I've fallen into a bit of a hole, because I was taught all of the "basic opening rules" as a kid, and used that to flat track bully a whole bunch of kids who barely knew how the pieces moved (actually most of them didn't know how the pieces move, it wasn't a well-to-do neighbourhood). Everything after that is still at garbageman status, where I meander around aimlessly in the middle game waiting for my opponent to make an obvious blunder, and turn my nose up at any endgame that doesn't involve two rooks or two queens.

At the moment I'm mainly playing Chessmaster, but the AI seems to be gimped at lower levels where it'll immediately spot any threat I try to create, but instead just arbitrarily hang pieces. I suppose that comes under, "stop assuming your opponent is a dickhead", but that's assuming that the joy of the game isn't in challenging your friend to shot chess and then making them drink about half a bottle of vodka when they miss a mating battery after twelve moves. Which it clearly is.

But seriously, I'm not sure if it's helping me at this point or not. I do know that I need to develop more of a strategic approach to the middle game and a better knowledge of the endgame, but the first particularly seems harder than just spotting one-move forks.

FullLeatherJacket
Dec 30, 2004

Chiunque può essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett

For laughs, here's me getting clowned on this morning by a computer with a supposedly 1150 rating. Ten minutes either side:

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 e6 4.e3 Bd6 5.Bb5+ c6 6.Ba4 Bxf4 7.exf4 Qa5+ 8.Nc3 Ne4 9.Bb3 b6 10.Nd2 Nxc3 11.bxc3 Qxc3 12.O-O Qxd4
13.Nf3 Qxf4 14.g3 Qf6 15.Qd4 Qxd4 16.Nxd4 c5 17.Nb5 Ba6 18.Nd6+ Ke7 19.Nf5+ Kf8 20.Ne3 Nc6 21.Rfe1 Nd4 22.c3 Nf3+ 23.Kg2 Nxe1+
24.Rxe1 d4 25.cxd4 cxd4 26.Nc4 d3 27.Rd1 g6 28.Rxd3 Re8 29.Rd7 Bxc4 30.Bxc4 Rg8 31.Rxa7 Rd8 32.Rb7 Kg7 33.Rxb6 Rd2 34.a4 Rc8
35.Ba6 Rcc2 36.a5 Rxf2+ 37.Kh3 Rxh2+ 38.Kg4 Rcf2 39.Bd3 h5+ 40.Kg5 f6# 0-1


Four mistakes that I notice going back through:- First off, if I'm going to play the London, I should actually play it and not go for wild goose chases on the queen side. 15. Qd4, I accidentally hang the knight trying to get him to exchange off queens but fortunately he ignores it. I then miss 18. Nc7+ and ignore 22. ... Nf3+, which is slightly annoying when you've just got all hoity-toity about having grasped one-move forks. I guess looking for them would be a help.

Winson_Paine
Oct 27, 2000

Wait, something is wrong.

Hand Knit posted:

I had a tournament last weekend and it went very well. Not only did I finish 3/5 and beat an IM, but I earned my national master's title both by rating and the weird-rear end norm system that's been implemented.

In honor of the new year and SA's own Hand Knit becoming a chess grand wizard, this is our GAME OF THE MONTH. Chess never gets enough spotlight. And congrats again, Hand Knit!

Vogler
Feb 6, 2009
I made a $500 bet that I would beat a friend in a bo5. I think I have an edge but I would still like to prepare - the first game is on Monday. I am on FICS as Lasaronen and my rating is around 1400.

Doccykins
Feb 21, 2006

Spug posted:

I'll have a lot more free time in 2014, so after many years as a hobby player, I'm joining a chess club and plan to devote a lot more time to chess. Thanks, Carlsen. Any chess resolutions here for the new year?

I've decided to learn how to play chess 'properly' for 2014 (I know the basics of which pieces can do what and board nomenclature but have never played enough to strategize more than one move ahead.) Reading around at lunch I found the Polgar/Shirov 1995 'Monkey Bum Deferred' on Wikipedia and for the life of me can't figure out why Black played 20. h6 instead of Kxd7. A couple of sites that I found analyzing it say that the game had been lost already but if any Grandmasters can point me in the right direction that would be ace!

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1111226 posted:

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 c6 4.Bc4 d6 5.Qf3 e6 6.Nge2 b5 7.Bb3 a5 8.a3 Ba6 9.d5 cxd5 10.exd5 e5 11.Ne4 Qc7 12.c4 bxc4 13.Ba4+ Nd7 14.N2c3 Ke7 15.Nxd6 Qxd6 16.Ne4 Qxd5 17.Bg5+ Ndf6 18.Rd1 Qb7 19.Rd7+ Qxd7 20.Bxd7 h6? 21.Qd1 1–0

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Vogler posted:

I made a $500 bet that I would beat a friend in a bo5. I think I have an edge but I would still like to prepare - the first game is on Monday. I am on FICS as Lasaronen and my rating is around 1400.

I like your style.

FullLeatherJacket posted:

For laughs, here's me getting clowned on this morning by a computer with a supposedly 1150 rating. Ten minutes either side:

Four mistakes that I notice going back through:- First off, if I'm going to play the London, I should actually play it and not go for wild goose chases on the queen side. 15. Qd4, I accidentally hang the knight trying to get him to exchange off queens but fortunately he ignores it. I then miss 18. Nc7+ and ignore 22. ... Nf3+, which is slightly annoying when you've just got all hoity-toity about having grasped one-move forks. I guess looking for them would be a help.
Playing the computer can be irritating since they don't always play authentically to their rating, but instead just play moves interspersed with the occasional forced blunder. The main thing you have to work on is just slowing down and letting your board vision catch up to your ambition. You hung a lot that game (including your rook on f1 to black's bishop on a6 for a few moves, that black declined), so that's the first thing you want to push out. This is easier on correspondence, obviously, but just make sure on every move to ask yourself the pair of questions (1) what was the purpose of my opponent's last move and does it attack anything? And (2) does the move I am making leave anything of mine under attack (like when you played Nd6+)? If you're playing more blitz than correspondence you obviously have to go through these questions quickly rather than methodically, but you can make up for it by playing more games and seeing the same positions repeatedly.

Another thing that helps with vision, I poo poo you not, is actually chess mazes. They force you to take stock of the whole board and feel out where everything can go. The downside is that they're much less interesting than simple tactics puzzles.

Hand Knit fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jan 2, 2014

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer

Doccykins posted:

why Black played 20. h6 instead of Kxd7.

The bishop is indirectly protected by knight. Idea is Kxd7 Nc5+ K somewhere Qxa8.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.
Nc5+ followed by Qxa8

Doccykins
Feb 21, 2006
Thanks! As you can see thinking ahead is going to be one of the main objectives of this exercise :)

Jonked
Feb 15, 2005
Had what felt like a pretty good game end early this morning, and wanted to show off a little bit. Also, wanted to add to the discussion since this thread is in the spotlight for the month, and don't have much else to talk about. Correspondence chess, 1 move every 3 days, and when the game started his rating was higher than mine. Also I'm playing black, I should probably mention that.

1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bd3 e6
I've been opening with the Caro-Kann defense against e4, and it has been working really well for me so far. I think it's partially because at this skill level, "odd" opening moves take people by surprise even when they're fairly well-known, and partially just because it's a solid opening that leads into a fairly safe mid game for me.

5.b3 Bb4 6.Bb2 Bxc3
This the move that I wondered in hindsight might have been inferior. It's not a terrible move, I don't think, and it certainly turned out well, but Nbd7 was probably better.

7.dxc3 dxe4

This definitely felt like a blunder on his part. I honestly don't understand why he didn't move Bxc3, avoiding the double pawns and opening a line of attack for his bishop. Honestly, let me know if I'm wrong here, because otherwise I'm missing something. Anyway, my response felt strong, and where the game really seemed to turn in my favor.

8.Bxe4 Nxe4 9.g3

Another move I don't understand. I mean, you'll see eventually where he's going with it when he moves Nh4, but I don't understand why. I mean, why not castle? Or maybe Qe2?

...Nd7 10.Nh4 O-O 11.Qd4 Ndf6

I thought this was a pretty clever response to the future threat on the b2 square, but in hindsight I'm starting to think Nef6 might have been better. Still, I felt pretty confident that the game was going to be mine by this point.

12.Qe3 e5 13.c4 Qe7 14.O-O Bh3 15.Rfe1 Qc5 16.Qxc5 Nxc5 17.Bxe5 Ncd7 18.Re3 Ng4 19.Re4

And these last two moves on his part sealed it. The game had progressed generally how I wanted it, especially with the Queen Exchange - I was up on material and had the superior position, and even if he had refused the exchange, it would have only improved things for me. It wasn't a bad move, certainly, but I wonder if it might have been a bit premature. Anyway, him letting me fork his bishop and rook was a blunder, obviously. But I think the second blunder may have been saving the rook instead of the bishop - trading a rook for a knight seems like the better deal than losing a bishop without any compensation, at least to me. And it would have at the very least let him survive a few moves longer.

...Ndxe5 20.Nf5

The final blunder. Not a particularly hard puzzle, I think - can you see the mate in two?

Anyway, I wanted to post this game for two reasons, really. One, because it felt like a really gratifying game where everything 'worked' and I don't have anybody to show it off to, but there's a second reason. I've been reading "Catalog of Chess Mistakes" by Andrew Soltis, and he had a very interesting take on it: "Chess is a game of bad moves. It is, in fact, the game that most depends on error... other games depend heavily on chance or the mastery of some limited skills. But a game of chess is decided by the failings of one of the players."
Now obviously there's the tendency to notice everything relevant to whatever you're currently reading, but it did seem like this game really demonstrated that point - I didn't win this game, my opponent lost it. I had a few good moves, but nothing that was spectacular in turning the game in my favor. Everything felt like it worked because I noticed and took advantage of his mistakes. So I suppose I'm asking what other people think of this idea. Does this hold true? Especially as you rise up in the rankings and play against superior opponents?

Also, feel free to tell me to shove off if you guys aren't enjoying low ELO games being posted in here. I'll be the first to admit that they're not as interesting as Hand Knit's.

Jonked fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jan 3, 2014

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Speaking as a mid ELO player, seeing games like this is fun and lets me spot quick things while reading, so for myself, no problems posting that sort of game here!

Aggro
Apr 24, 2003

STRONG as an OX and TWICE as SMART
Jonked, that was an awesome post. Right around my skill level and extremely informative. I have games like that all the time. An opening that isn't directly out of a book, but not awful. Then a couple of midgame moves that lead to an advantage, and finally a decisive blunder.

Still, I often find myself in games where my opponent makes an inferior move, like maybe a rook pawn move without purpose. Then, I lose time debating whether I should develop or push the attack. I had a game recently that went

1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Qxd4 Nc6 4. Qd1 e6 5. Nc3 Bb4 6. Bc4 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3

As black, I felt stuck. I felt like my opponent had hosed up badly by giving himself double isolated pawns, but what do I do with that? ...Nf6 to develop? ...d5 to simply the tension int the center? Or violate the "never move a piece twice" rule to attack the unprotected bishop with ...Ne5?

None of those seem like bad moves, and none are found in books because White has surrendered the opening advantage without compensation.

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer

Aggro posted:

As black, I felt stuck. I felt like my opponent had hosed up badly by giving himself double isolated pawns, but what do I do with that?


The key question is not "what should I do", it's "what do I want to do". Once you answer that, the moves become easier to see. I think you want to develop pieces, secure your king and prepare for an eventual attack on queenside as the doubled pawns are hard to defend and c-file is half open allowing you to plop a rook on c8. You're not in a pressing hurry since the pawns are going nowhere, so there is no need for immediate sharp moves. If you can trade bishops it's greatly beneficial to you so keep an eye open towards that.

If you can do all that with pressing tactics all the better. Avoid any tactical ideas that you might be giving your opponent (pin after Nf6 being the most obvious one). If you want to solidify your defenses Nge7 allows you to castle without worrying about the bishop pin and prepares an eventual d5. Qc7 Nf3 Nf6 Qd3 0-0 is one idea where your position becomes pretty comfortable. Nf6 is met with the pesky pin Bg5. Ne5 Qd4 looks pretty uncomfortable.

Keep updating the plan as required and you're well off. What would your plan be for white in this position?

Jonked posted:

Also, feel free to tell me to shove off if you guys aren't enjoying low ELO games being posted in here. I'll be the first to admit that they're not as interesting as Hand Knit's.

Nonsense. This was a wonderful read and I'd love more of them.

Hob_Gadling fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Jan 3, 2014

FullLeatherJacket
Dec 30, 2004

Chiunque può essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett

Jonked posted:

...Ndxe5 20.Nf5

The final blunder. Not a particularly hard puzzle, I think - can you see the mate in two?

From playing it through, it's doubly a blunder here. If white plays f3 instead, he's winning one of the knights and is at most a pawn down on the exchange, unless I'm missing a line. He'd be sacrificing king safety and black would still be far better, but at least it's not an immediate mate.

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer
Actually, never mind me.

Hob_Gadling fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jan 3, 2014

he1ixx
Aug 23, 2007

still bad at video games

Hob_Gadling posted:

Keep updating the plan as required and you're well off. What would your plan be for white in this position?

Resign? (this was a game against me, I think) Honestly, this game (and many I am playing with aggrosa) are interesting because they have many moves which I just don't see coming at all. I'm not even sure how to respond to most of them as he plays very aggressively and puts me in positions where I feel I need to respond and by the end of the volley, my defenses are in disarray and I'm without hope of recovery.

It has been good to be exposed to play like this because I'm going to start employing a less reactive tack going forward with the hopes of just making stronger defensive bulwarks and make sure I'm counting correctly. That said, is there any advice for playing against this style because in correspondence chess, when I can take the time to examine the board, its one thing but facing this with a clock ticking would probably make my mind explode.

I apologize in advance if these games are boring and unchallenging Aggrosa. I hope to improve to the point where I can at least give you a game once in a while...


Also, congrats to Hand Knit. That's an amazing accomplishment!

FullLeatherJacket
Dec 30, 2004

Chiunque può essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett

Hob_Gadling posted:

You are. You weren't thinking about white king escaping to f2, were you?

If the white knight stays at h4, he surely prevents f3+ from black and blocks the mating sequence. After white pushes his pawn to f3, black could theoretically push g5 to threaten the indirectly pinned knight or f5 to try and lure the knight away, though, and I'm not sure where that goes.

e: No worries, you spotted it.

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer

FullLeatherJacket posted:

If the white knight stays at h4, he surely prevents f3+ from black and blocks the mating sequence.

The line I had in mind starts with f3 Rae8 with a reveal idea but f3 Rae8 Rae1 seems to hold. And I was so certain there would be a beautiful, won endgame...

McNerd
Aug 28, 2007

he1ixx posted:

Resign? (this was a game against me, I think)

I'm sure this is a joke but Black has a lot to work with here; it's not remotely time to think about resigning. You've got the Bishop pair in a pretty open position, open files for Rooks, a nice centralized Pawn, a space advantage, the d4 square. Your opponent's advantages probably outweigh these but it's up to them to prove it, and indeed, here they are saying they don't know how!

quote:

Honestly, this game (and many I am playing with aggrosa) are interesting because they have many moves which I just don't see coming at all. I'm not even sure how to respond to most of them as he plays very aggressively and puts me in positions where I feel I need to respond and by the end of the volley, my defenses are in disarray and I'm without hope of recovery.

It has been good to be exposed to play like this because I'm going to start employing a less reactive tack going forward with the hopes of just making stronger defensive bulwarks and make sure I'm counting correctly. That said, is there any advice for playing against this style because in correspondence chess, when I can take the time to examine the board, its one thing but facing this with a clock ticking would probably make my mind explode.

Really hard to say much without seeing an example of this play. (Or was there a move in this opening that you didn't anticipate?) But if you routinely don't see your opponent's forcing moves coming at all, or anticipate their results, it sounds like your main problem, and you would want to address it directly, not hide from it by backing down from tactically tricky situations.

Mr Matey
Feb 16, 2004
On chess.com I am MikhailTalentless. Let's play, why not?

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Mr Matey posted:

On chess.com I am MikhailTalentless. Let's play, why not?

That's a really great name.

UnfurledSails
Sep 1, 2011

I had stopped playing chess when I graduated from high school in Turkey, but now as a college senior I decided to take it up and play seriously again. Signed up with USCF and after 20 or so games my rating is about 1520, which is about right and a good place to start I think.

Today I played a 5 round G45 tournament. It was great because the accelerated drawing system they used matched me up against strong opposition round after round. I got outplayed against a 1700 and a 2100, but won against a 1850 by checkmating him with 2 seconds left on my clock with only two pairs of minor pieces exchanged on the board. It was awesome!

If you wish to play slow 4545 games on ICC, my handle is sockbuf.

he1ixx
Aug 23, 2007

still bad at video games
I played in my first 45/45 tournament qualifier yesterday. For those of you who are newbies like me, timed game notations are really inscrutable. In this case, it means that you have a time clock with 45 minutes on it and you have 45 seconds before the time starts affecting your original 45 minutes. Also, if you move before the 45 seconds, the remainder of the 45 seconds gets added to your clock so its possible to build a bank of time if you move through the opening quickly.

I felt like I played pretty well (for me) which still resulted in a loss but it wasn't a stinging loss per se. It was against a 1500+ player from Romania on Chess.com. I'm probably closer to 900-1100 and that's being charitable. I don't have any openings memorized and felt like my time preparing was better spent doing tactics puzzles and playing as many games as I could before the match. Still, I apparently followed the moves for white from B90 (Sicilian, Najdorf) for the first 7 moves out of just board examination, trying to make the best moves I could, and after turn 10 I was better by a slight margin (+0.65)

Last night, I ran the game through HIARCS and tried to find where things went south and here's the result. I'd appreciate any feedback since I'm trying to learn.

1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.Nf3 d6 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bd3 e5 7.Nf3 Be7 8.O-O Be6 9.Be3 Nbd7 10.Ng5 O-O



I felt like I had a pretty good position at this point. HIARCS felt there were better moves for him here and I had about a pawn lead. It was after this though, with 11. Qf3?! that HIARCS starts taking issue with my moves. HIARCS preferred 11. Nxe6 which would have maintained the lead instead of sliding to even (0.0)

11.Qf3 Bg4 12.Qg3 h6 13.f3



Here again, HIARCS took issue, opting for Nh3 instead, a clearly superior move. Ah well.

13... Bh5 14.Nh3 Nxe4 15.Bxe4



Now I think I really started slipping up. I was eyeing Bh6 and a really great position but....

15... Bh4 16.Ne2 Bxg3 17.Nxg3 Bg6 18.Bxg6 fxg6 19.Ne4 Nf6 20.Ng3 Rc8 21.c3 g5 22.Rad1 g4 23.Nf2 gxf3 24.gxf3 Qd7 25.Rd3 Qc6 26.Bc1 Qc4 27.Nf5 Qe6 28.Nxd6 Rcd8 29.Nxb7 Rxd3 30.Nxd3 e4 31.Ndc5 Qb6 32.Be3



At this stage of the game, my last three moves seemed like pretty big blunders but here's where I'd like advice from you all. How do you approach these sections of a match? It seems poised at nearly even for a bit but then a series of moves that seem maybe overly-aggressive or blissfully unaware push me over a cliff positionally and, from there on out, I'm just clawing my way back until I eventually lose. Should I take more time with my moves? Be less aggressive? ? (I was at 23 minutes at this point I think, my opponent was at 40 minutes)

32... Qxb2 33.fxe4 Ng4 34.Rxf8+ Kxf8 35.Ne6+ Kg8 36.h3 Nxe3 37.Nf4 g5 38.Nd5 Qg2# 0-1



Here's the final, brutal ending position.

There seems to be a point in many matches I play where things get tighter, tighter, tighter and then a sequence of captures or bold moves happen and I often miss a count, miss a critical placement or misjudge my opponents move through an inability to see his response. How do you balance the time you spend analyzing deeper and deeper lines during a game as opposed to just playing as many games as possible, making a lot of mistakes, seeing a lot of positions and situations and moving on?

How helpful are tactics tests? I find the chess.com tactics trainer is slowly helping my vision but progress is never as fast as I'd like.

What are people's feelings on playing many games at once? Does that help or hinder the learning progress?

he1ixx fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jan 13, 2014

singe
Aug 24, 2008

I want to ride my bicycle.
I tricked white into playing Nf2 in this game, pretending to let my queen get trapped. Find the mate!

singe
Aug 24, 2008

I want to ride my bicycle.

Just some thoughts, I didn't run your game through an engine so I can be wrong on some or a lot of things.

On move 11. Qf3, what is the point of queen move? Black is controlling h3 h5 h4 so you can't really induce a weakened and make him play h6 unless you go through the slow qf3 g3 h4 idea and then it gets weird cause you might be walking into a pin. 11. f4 jumps out to me (maybe support it with ne2 so you can also play b3 c4 at some stage too) breaking open the position, potentially opening up diagonals for the light squared bishop if he takes, it gives you more play. Nxe6 is fine since that's technically his good bishop and your knight isn't really threatening anything. Only downside is that he gets pressure down the f file. Alternate ideas would be expand on queen side and just stake out more space?

13, f3 weakens your king and he can just back up like he did and your knight have to go to h3 anyway, you've weakened your king with no real gain.

15 If you played h3 instead of f3 earlier your queen could escape maybe. In the future you probably should have seen it coming after he saced his knight and probably avoided it, and only be down a pawn in a worse position, nxe4 qe1 for example. There should have been red flags when he plays nxe4, you should have thought what his ideas were and why he would just give up a knight. Pretty much after that you're lost.


I would say I don't really analyze too deeply in my games unless there's a forcing sequence or potentially some tactic I can use. Generally I get a feel of where to put my pieces, what pawn break to play for. Queen on g3/f3 isn't that great since black has too many pieces defending and your other pieces aren't close enough to participate, you should be trying to undermine his center, play against the backward d pawn bringing your rooks to the d file. Generally you had the wrong plan in the game. You have to look at the structures and figure out where to play, what pawns are weak, what pieces need o be improved. In your game it seemed like you tried to go for mate maybe get qg3 bxh6 ideas into play but black always was one step ahead.

When things get tighter see if you can generate a weakness or a concession and then if nothing is productive reroute your pieces to another target, maybe to the other side, or a pawn etc. The idea at higher levels of play is just force your opponent to make small positional concessions so that you can take advantage of key squares and get a good position into an endgame by trading pieces at opportune times. If you get lucky they'll be a tactic and you'll win the game before then, but you should really be looking at where you want your pieces or your pawns, and what pawn breaks you want to play for.

Just play one game at a time at slow time controls like you're doing. Tactics are always useful. Chess.com chess mentor is also useful for teaching positional concepts.

singe fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Jan 21, 2014

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

singe posted:

I tricked white into playing Nf2 in this game, pretending to let my queen get trapped. Find the mate!


This one was interesting - am I correct in thinking the line is 1. ... Nxf4, where 2. Nxh3 is met by 2. ... Nxh3#, while many other moves permit 2. ... Qg2#?

White can stall it out a bit but I think it's mate in four regardless of the line white take.

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012

he1ixx posted:

Now I think I really started slipping up. I was eyeing Bh6 and a really great position but....

15... Bh4 16.Ne2 Bxg3 17.Nxg3 Bg6 18.Bxg6 fxg6 19.Ne4 Nf6 20.Ng3 Rc8 21.c3 g5 22.Rad1 g4 23.Nf2 gxf3 24.gxf3 Qd7 25.Rd3 Qc6 26.Bc1 Qc4 27.Nf5 Qe6 28.Nxd6 Rcd8 29.Nxb7 Rxd3 30.Nxd3 e4 31.Ndc5 Qb6 32.Be3

I think 15... Bh4 16. Bh2+ Kxh2 17. Ng5+ hxg5 18. Qh3

Would've saved your queen and set you up with black's bishops lined up for a small chance at a comeback.

You'd be down a knight, but that's better than being down a queen, especially when you've locked out quite a few pieces of your opponent's with your dual bishops down the center.

Ernie. fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jan 21, 2014

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012

singe posted:

I tricked white into playing Nf2 in this game, pretending to let my queen get trapped. Find the mate!

I'm confused. I don't see any good moves if:

2. Ne4

Regardless if

1. Nf2 was met with ...Nxf4 or ...Ne3

Khorne
May 1, 2002
Nxf4 is a mate. My brain saw the Nc3 move within 2-3 seconds and the other I didn't notice until I actually checked if Nc3 was right a few minutes later with Nxf4 being an obvious candidate for performing the same attack in a better region. They both perform a similar attack, but the Nxh3 defense kills Nc3 because it doesn't open the board up.

.. Nxf4 2. Ne4 Nxe2+ 3. Bxe2 Rxf1+ 4. Bxf1 Rd1 5. Nf6+ Kh8 6. Kf2 Qxf1+ 7. Ke3 Qf3#

Ne4 is a really good defense if black has little time on the clock. Rd1 is the real clincher, tying down 3 pieces completely and ensuring victory.

edit: Completely blanked checking if this was right at first. Sorry. Off to bed! Another cute defense by white is Qe4.

Khorne fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Jan 21, 2014

singe
Aug 24, 2008

I want to ride my bicycle.

Khorne posted:

Nxf4 is a mate. My brain saw the Nc3 move within 2-3 seconds and the other I didn't notice until I actually checked if Nc3 was right a few minutes later with Nxf4 being an obvious candidate for performing the same attack in a better region. They both perform a similar attack, but the Nxh3 defense kills Nc3 because it doesn't open the board up.

.. Nxf4 2. Ne4 Nxe2+ 3. Bxe2 Rxf1+ 4. Bxf1 Rd1 5. Nf6+ Kh8 6. Kf2 Qxf1+ 7. Ke3 Qf3#

Ne4 is a really good defense if black has little time on the clock. Rd1 is the real clincher, tying down 3 pieces completely and ensuring victory.

edit: Completely blanked checking if this was right at first. Sorry. Off to bed! Another cute defense by white is Qe4.


Yup, Nxf4 is right, Ne3 doesn't quite work since white can take the queen and open up the f2 square for his king to escape, Nc3 doesn't work cause he can just take my queen and then take your knight and be up a piece. I don't think Qh3 was best at the time but I couldn't resist playing for the cute mate.

singe fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Jan 21, 2014

he1ixx
Aug 23, 2007

still bad at video games

singe posted:

Just some thoughts, I didn't run your game through an engine so I can be wrong on some or a lot of things.

On move 11. Qf3, what is the point of queen move? Black is controlling h3 h5 h4 so you can't really induce a weakened and make him play h6 unless you go through the slow qf3 g3 h4 idea and then it gets weird cause you might be walking into a pin. 11. f4 jumps out to me (maybe support it with ne2 so you can also play b3 c4 at some stage too) breaking open the position, potentially opening up diagonals for the light squared bishop if he takes, it gives you more play. Nxe6 is fine since that's technically his good bishop and your knight isn't really threatening anything. Only downside is that he gets pressure down the f file. Alternate ideas would be expand on queen side and just stake out more space?

13, f3 weakens your king and he can just back up like he did and your knight have to go to h3 anyway, you've weakened your king with no real gain.

15 If you played h3 instead of f3 earlier your queen could escape maybe. In the future you probably should have seen it coming after he saced his knight and probably avoided it, and only be down a pawn in a worse position, nxe4 qe1 for example. There should have been red flags when he plays nxe4, you should have thought what his ideas were and why he would just give up a knight. Pretty much after that you're lost.


I would say I don't really analyze too deeply in my games unless there's a forcing sequence or potentially some tactic I can use. Generally I get a feel of where to put my pieces, what pawn break to play for. Queen on g3/f3 isn't that great since black has too many pieces defending and your other pieces aren't close enough to participate, you should be trying to undermine his center, play against the backward d pawn bringing your rooks to the d file. Generally you had the wrong plan in the game. You have to look at the structures and figure out where to play, what pawns are weak, what pieces need o be improved. In your game it seemed like you tried to go for mate maybe get qg3 bxh6 ideas into play but black always was one step ahead.

When things get tighter see if you can generate a weakness or a concession and then if nothing is productive reroute your pieces to another target, maybe to the other side, or a pawn etc. The idea at higher levels of play is just force your opponent to make small positional concessions so that you can take advantage of key squares and get a good position into an endgame by trading pieces at opportune times. If you get lucky they'll be a tactic and you'll win the game before then, but you should really be looking at where you want your pieces or your pawns, and what pawn breaks you want to play for.

Just play one game at a time at slow time controls like you're doing. Tactics are always useful. Chess.com chess mentor is also useful for teaching positional concepts.

Thanks very much for the help. I would agree with your assessments and I do need to learn to play more positionally than I do. I need to slow down and concentrate on just what you said -- see what squares are weak or under threat and improve positions to shore up defenses for those areas and make sure that the positions I shore up also advance a better attacking posture for my own pieces.

I tend to not see more than a move or two away so although I had alarm bells when he played Nxe4, it was for the obvious threats it presented and not a line that threatened the game. I really thought the pressure I was inducing on Kingside was legitimate but, as you say, there were too many defenders and the threat was never there to begin with in hindsight. I could have switched pressure points to the Queenside and tried to catch his defenders in spots where they couldn't use their Kingside positional advantage perhaps.

More games, more tactics puzzles and more practice seem to be a big key for my development right now.

AdorableStar
Jul 13, 2013

:patriot:


Someone told me to play chess with them and I started with white. For some reason there was a combined time clock and I lost on time. How badly did I do?

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f3 e6 4. e4 a6 5. g4 Nc6 6. Be3 Bd7 7. a3 e5 8. Nge2 Qe7 9. b4 O-O-O 10. Qd3 dxe4 11. fxe4 Nxg4 12. Nd5 Qh4+ 13. Kd2 g6 14. Bg2 Bh6 15. Bxh6 Qxh6+

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
Adequately for the first 15 moves - there was some level of developing your minors and playing for the centre. For next time, you want to play more for the centre and more for a solid structure, which means not pushing your knight's pawns to g5 and b5 (those are weakening moves as you saw both with your opponent munching your g-pawn and taking advantage of the checks along the e1-h4 and c1-h6 diagonals).

The clock thing was probably setting your time setting to "hourglass." It happens accidentally from time to time because nobody realizes that it's a thing.

Spammy
Dec 15, 2012

Kheldragar posted:

Someone told me to play chess with them and I started with white. For some reason there was a combined time clock and I lost on time. How badly did I do?

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f3 e6 4. e4 a6 5. g4 Nc6 6. Be3 Bd7 7. a3 e5 8. Nge2 Qe7 9. b4 O-O-O 10. Qd3 dxe4 11. fxe4 Nxg4 12. Nd5 Qh4+ 13. Kd2 g6 14. Bg2 Bh6 15. Bxh6 Qxh6+

When I first started out I found it really helpful to use a chess analysis engine. The analysis mode of most engines rates each move you made and can also typically suggest alternative moves. The engine won't talk to you and explain the rationale behind the good or bad scores that they give, but a seriously bad score for a particular move can alert you to a blunder. Likewise, a good score on an alternative move can show you a line that you might have not though about during the game. Just load your finished games into your software of choice and hit "analyze". If you aren't familiar with what I'm talking about : you'll need a client and a chess engine (which does the actual move calculations). Many setups are free or open source so you can easily find one or a pair that you like for most operating systems. A quick Google search found me this link from chess.com . It looks like it is everything you need to get analyzing (and also playing online with FICS or ICC): http://www.chess.com/download/view/portable-winboardx--rybka-22---updated-setup .

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Feb 12, 2004
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gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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I give up on Blitz. I just dropped 3 games in a row on time when I had a significant material advantage and searching for mate.

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Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

gohmak posted:

I give up on Blitz. I just dropped 3 games in a row on time when I had a significant material advantage and searching for mate.

Such is the way of the immutable. Such is blitz.

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