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Hibiscus posted:I'm just glad it's over. Next time, I'm not going to get sucked in. This is a good resolve. Go, you! And thank you so much for the great Aristasia stories.
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DicktheCat posted:Hey, Hibiscus, you did the best you could. Tried to be there for the guy and all that. You can't fix some people, though. This in a nutshell. I'm very surprised you didn't deck Bill when he insulted your relationship with Steven though. That crossed a huge line.
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The thing that still puzzles me is how Bill continues to believe in his powers after his predictions have been proven wrong so many times. He predicted he would meet this woman at some kind of psychic fair in April. He didn't. He predicted he would meet another woman, and have sex with her, at another psychic fair in July. He predicted I would have kids and I flat-out told him I'd rather not. He predicted I would marry Brad, and we broke up. Also, the predictions kept changing. Initially the woman was brunette (hah!) and it was going to be love at first sight. Over the next few months he updated this to be a woman he would get to know for awhile and gradually fall in love with. He would also do this thing with Tarot cards where he would try to predict which card was which. He'd tell me to pick a card, and I'd name one, say "Three of Swords." Then he would hold his deck and close his eyes tight, give a number("twenty from the bottom") then start counting through the cards without looking at them to find the card in question. He never found it, and, to deflect from this fact, would say that the only reason he hadn't found it was that whatever card he ended up drawing was an important message for us.
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Hibiscus posted:The thing that still puzzles me is how Bill continues to believe in his powers after his predictions have been proven wrong so many times. He predicted he would meet this woman at some kind of psychic fair in April. He didn't. He predicted he would meet another woman, and have sex with her, at another psychic fair in July. He predicted I would have kids and I flat-out told him I'd rather not. He predicted I would marry Brad, and we broke up. Also, the predictions kept changing. Initially the woman was brunette (hah!) and it was going to be love at first sight. Over the next few months he updated this to be a woman he would get to know for awhile and gradually fall in love with. For the same reason religions like this weren't simply abandoned by all members after their prophecies didn't come to fruition. Belief, or wanting to believe, is really, really strong. The card thing is pretty hilarious though.
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Hibiscus posted:The thing that still puzzles me is how Bill continues to believe in his powers after his predictions have been proven wrong so many times.
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Another interesting thing that happened: at one point he got some kind of porn spam email. You know the type, "I found your email address and you're cool and I want to have fun, please visit my cam site." It had a picture of a brunette woman with it, and a backstory about her being "Russian and lonely." He immediately latched onto this and said his mystery woman had materialized. I don't know if he visited the cam site, but he hinted about being really into pornography, and at one point admitted to leaving the campus of the hospital (without a pass) to visit a strip club. He said that the reason he did this is because strippers are all damaged little snowflakes and need his healing psychic abilities, but, well, I suspect otherwise.
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sweeperbravo posted:For the same reason religions like this weren't simply abandoned by all members after their prophecies didn't come to fruition. Belief, or wanting to believe, is really, really strong. There was a very influential study of a UFO cult done in the 1950s that really looked hard at this question. The lead researcher came up with the concept of "cognitive dissonance" to explain the psychology of people continuing to hold on to disproved beliefs ("disconfirmed expectations" in this model). It's really interesting. See also: Harold Camping, The Church Universal and Triumphant, trickle-down economics, austerity policy, etc.
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Hibiscus posted:Spirit Science I watched about 20 minutes of this insanity before giving up. What skeeved me out was the insistence that the Atlantean, female energy was like a 14 year old girl, while the male, Martian energy was like a 60 year old man. A 60 year old man forcing himself on a 14 year old girl. Great.
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I've been following this thread since page 1 way back in the day and since then I've been thinking hard about adding my own few stories into the fray. With Hibiscus's posts, I feel finally encouraged to start posting. I was always a pretty odd kid when I was little. I grew up half my life in a major suburban area. I was the youngest of my siblings, with fairly large age gaps; my brother was so old that he was mid-way through college when I was born, and my sister was not far behind him. When I entered first grade, she was in eighth, and had been diagnosed with ADHD, OCD, and manic depression. She had problems keeping on her meds and frequently did things like run away or total stranger's cars or all kinds of stereotypical problem teenager things. My dad had the fortune to have been the one to pass down the ADHD and the OCD and the manic depression to her, and was undiagnosed but self-medicated with alcohol and weed, though still had psychotic episodes. He was just as childish as my sister and threw literal temper tantrums, and when someone is 6'3'', can lift 300 lbs with ease, and is about to throw a table at you, you tend to give in to his demands. What I'm getting at is, I grew up pretty meek and antisocial because whenever my dad was mad (and he frequently was, given my sister's antics), he would beat me. That, combined with not being a pretty social person in the first place, and having my closest friend move away with maybe a week's notice, had me spend much of my free time on the internet. I have accounts on forums and games that I made when I was 7 or 8 years old. I was one of these people, but I had so few friends that I never expressed it to others. My mom got really sick when I was around 7 or 8, and once my sister graduated high school, she was booted out of the house and my family moved to florida, because the warmer climate made my mom's symptoms less severe. And not, like, Tampa or Miami or another decent area. My family moved to a town in rural, central-south-western florida, where there were more cows than people, the nearest city was a full hour's drive away, and the only local attractions were the mudhole and the gator farm. This was a problem for me. Growing up so far, I survived social situations by finding the other kids who were a little into computers and nerd with them about the internet and PC games and stuff. Most of the people here didn't own computers, and the fastest internet connection was barely dial up speeds. So, when I started school, I was completely socially shunned, and left with the other rejects, or to be technical, singular reject: our first subject. Tommy Tommy was a fourth grader who was tested and decided that he should take his reading classes with fifth graders, and with how scheduling worked at this school, this meant he was actually present in every class with us except math. He had a very off demeanor to him, so even I distanced myself from him. He always wore black. And not, like, a black t-shirt and black pants, but multiple layers of black. A black tshirt under a black sweatshirt over a black windbreaker. In florida. I have no idea how he did it; someone asked him once and he said it was because it made him look cool, so it's not like he was somehow cold. He at one point figured out where I lived, which ended up being two blocks away from his house, and he'd occasionally show up and ask my parents if I could come out to play. My parents, insistent on me having some friends, always made me go with him. One of these times, it was right after a hurricane, so school was out for a week. I was grounded for whatever reason (probably bad grades) and we went over to his place, where we played clue on his computer. All I found out from that was that he lived in a double-wide both his parents were incredibly obese, and it smelled vaguely of pee. Another time we went out walking. He was wearing sunglasses and was using a huge branch as a walking stick. He said that he's blind, that he's always been blind, but it was alright because with his staff he could make the world move around him so he could walk just fine. He talked some other stuff that I glossed over in my memory because I really just wanted to go home. One time, though, convinced my parents to never let him visit again. It was past sunset when he showed up at our front door. He didn't want to hang out with me; he just wanted to use our phone to call his mom to come pick him up. We were alright with that so we let him in; he called his mom, she was coming, it'd just be a few minutes. He turns to me, grinning ear-to-ear, and says, "Hey, Ketchupface, wanna see something cool?" He suddenly has this massive knife in his hands. We're talking, like, a particularly big machete. I'm understandably a little freaked, what with this very off-feeling preteen with a knife out of nowhere, and I call for my parents, who show up immediately and get a little mad. They asked him why he has that knife (his brother gave it to him), if his mom knows about it (of course), and so on. His mom shows up soon enough, since she was only driving from two blocks away, and as he leaves, he just smoothly slides his knife up his shirt and steps into her car. I have a few more stories about Tommy, but my stories are going to cover a bunch of people over my middle, high school, and college careers. These include people like Lee and Johnson, Tommy's subordinates, Beyonce and Madonna's anime cult, Josiah and Ko'sem, my soulbonded roommate and ex-satanist, and Daniel and Tank. I know, I know,  , but I want to pace them out so I don't completely eclipse other people in the thread, and because things just ended up making a very nice plot arc and I don't want to blow my story load.
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Ketchupface posted:planting the seeds of a story garden  Sorry to hear about your terrifying childhood, but I look forward to your continued tales.
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When I saw "professional mermaid" crop up on the last page I did a bit of a double-take. I uh. I'm pretty sure I have a cousin who aspires to being one of those and I had no idea it was a "thing". Going by the content of my aunt's Facebook feed it seems benign; apparently they spend a lot of time working on costume parts together and even though she's only in her early teens she's started doing paid appearances at children's parties. Without going into too much detail she and her older brother have some pretty out-there interests that their equally eccentric parents happily indulge. Other branches of the family on my aunt's side (including my parents and my grandmother) are quick to talk poo poo about them and insist that they all "live in la-la land", but given that hers is the only family unit out of all of us that hasn't fallen apart through infidelity/abuse/addiction/money poo poo/all of the above, they've gotta be doing something right. That said I think the fact that my uncle has been seriously ill for several years and doesn't have long left is a major factor in the amount of freedom and family support that those kids have, and I worry a lot about how they're gonna move forward from this. I understand my other relatives' misgivings because it's very hard to tell how much of it is healthy, constructive escapism from an outside perspective, but gently caress, these are children who need some magic in their lives pretty badly right now. 
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I think there are a few tourist attractions where professional swimmers do mermaid shows, so it's probably not too weird. If they start trying to cut of their legs and replace them with dismembered dolphins than worry.
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Holy poo poo, professional mermaid is a real job. If I didn't have so little tolerance for noise, being a mermaid at kids' parties would own so hard It'd be like that Disney Princess goon only with less walking
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Corridor posted:Holy poo poo, professional mermaid is a real job. If I didn't have so little tolerance for noise, being a mermaid at kids' parties would own so hard At least your stalkers mostly can't swim.
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After all the furries, bronies, otherkin, otaku, psychics, pagans, and generally awkward weirdos in this thread it's a small relief that there really is a fandom out there that has failed to gain notoriety as a culture of freaks. I'm sure even the merfolk have their deviants, but I wonder how much of that is spillover from one of the other aforementioned groups. Please don't ruin this magic for me, Internet 
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TunaSpleen posted:After all the furries, bronies, otherkin, otaku, psychics, pagans, and generally awkward weirdos in this thread it's a small relief that there really is a fandom out there that has failed to gain notoriety as a culture of freaks. I'm sure even the merfolk have their deviants, but I wonder how much of that is spillover from one of the other aforementioned groups. Please don't ruin this magic for me, Internet I've run into a couple of... mermaid enthusiasts? And they've just been really friendly, upbeat, and not all that in-your-face about their hobby. They go to the beach and do photoshoots, that's about it. Strange how refreshing it is to find a group that doesn't wail about being accepted for "what they really are". Meanwhile, furries trying to say "their struggle" is just like the gay rights movement never fails to make me fly into a screaming rage if it's said in my presence. That probably played a large part in my ex's furry friends trying to convince her I was evil incarnate.
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I think it helps that most people don't realize that being a mermaid is a thing. So what little exposure people have to them will be in photo shoots or events. For instance, you're hardly going to see them at video game/comic/anime conventions, since you can't really walk once you've got the tail on. The ones you do see you'd probably imagine are something similar to booth babes. This lack of presence at events where a lot of different kinds of crazy are readily available (plus a decent chunk of internet folk) really helps them stay out of the spotlight. Even if they were there, they'd be hard pressed to outshine the other groups unless they did something really stupid. So unless you go actively looking, you're unlikely to pick up anything bad about them. So you should be safe Tuna.
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TunaSpleen posted:After all the furries, bronies, otherkin, otaku, psychics, pagans, and generally awkward weirdos in this thread it's a small relief that there really is a fandom out there that has failed to gain notoriety as a culture of freaks. I'm sure even the merfolk have their deviants, but I wonder how much of that is spillover from one of the other aforementioned groups. Please don't ruin this magic for me, Internet There are plenty of the aforementioned subcultures - anime, furry, brony, pagans etc etc - who are just fine. But the weirdos will always shout the loudest.
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JohnOfOrdo3 posted:I think it helps that most people don't realize that being a mermaid is a thing. So what little exposure people have to them will be in photo shoots or events. For instance, you're hardly going to see them at video game/comic/anime conventions, since you can't really walk once you've got the tail on. The ones you do see you'd probably imagine are something similar to booth babes. This lack of presence at events where a lot of different kinds of crazy are readily available (plus a decent chunk of internet folk) really helps them stay out of the spotlight. Even if they were there, they'd be hard pressed to outshine the other groups unless they did something really stupid. So unless you go actively looking, you're unlikely to pick up anything bad about them. So you should be safe Tuna. The aquarium where I work has mermaid shows sometimes in the large coral tanks. The performers seem pretty normal, and the kids love them.
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JohnOfOrdo3 posted:I think it helps that most people don't realize that being a mermaid is a thing. So what little exposure people have to them will be in photo shoots or events. For instance, you're hardly going to see them at video game/comic/anime conventions, since you can't really walk once you've got the tail on. The ones you do see you'd probably imagine are something similar to booth babes. This lack of presence at events where a lot of different kinds of crazy are readily available (plus a decent chunk of internet folk) really helps them stay out of the spotlight. Even if they were there, they'd be hard pressed to outshine the other groups unless they did something really stupid. So unless you go actively looking, you're unlikely to pick up anything bad about them. So you should be safe Tuna. Also, what they are trying to emulate has been portrayed in fiction to behave exactly like a human who lives underwater, so they don't have to pretend that they are fish. What makes furries insufferable is that they want to behave like animals.
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Hey guys - do you think it would be productive to write The Atlantean Meditation Master a long-rear end email explaining how he needs to break from this kind of thing to be healthy?
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If you can do it anonymously through a therapist or something, maybe. I guess. Based on some of what you've said previously it sounds like he's fixated on you to the point of drifting into stalker-ish behavior. If they won't get treatment, then the only thing you can do is sever. Which you've done.
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Hibiscus posted:Hey guys - do you think it would be productive to write The Atlantean Meditation Master a long-rear end email explaining how he needs to break from this kind of thing to be healthy? No. He won't pay attention to what you say, but will believe that you contacted him because you are as obsessed with him as he is with you.
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Hibiscus posted:Hey guys - do you think it would be productive to write The Atlantean Meditation Master a long-rear end email explaining how he needs to break from this kind of thing to be healthy? No. He's seriously mentally ill and cannot be reasoned with. Only do ANYTHING if his therapists contact you directly and ask you to, which they won't. You're both better off if you don't contact him.
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Hibiscus posted:Hey guys - do you think it would be productive to write The Atlantean Meditation Master a long-rear end email explaining how he needs to break from this kind of thing to be healthy? a travelling HEGEL posted:...while wanting to help people is a good thing, letting it consume you will ruin your life very quickly.
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a travelling HEGEL posted:Likewise, while wanting to help people is a good thing, letting it consume you will ruin your life very quickly. As we've all seen from JohnOfOrdo3 stories of his crazy manipulative person. Half the reason he stuck around so long is because he wanted to help her. Which was exactly what she wanted him to do, made him easier to control. Best advise is to leave well enough alone and take no further action. Go and enjoy your life without the crazy.
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Arashiofordo3 posted:As we've all seen from JohnOfOrdo3 stories of his crazy manipulative person. Half the reason he stuck around so long is because he wanted to help her. Which was exactly what she wanted him to do, made him easier to control. Best advise is to leave well enough alone and take no further action. Go and enjoy your life without the crazy. I feel like this also adequately sums up at least 1/3rd of all E/N sagas.
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Arashiofordo3 posted:As we've all seen from JohnOfOrdo3 stories of his crazy manipulative person. Half the reason he stuck around so long is because he wanted to help her. Which was exactly what she wanted him to do, made him easier to control. Best advise is to leave well enough alone and take no further action. Go and enjoy your life without the crazy.
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a travelling HEGEL posted:Hibiscus's crazy person may or may not be doing this deliberately. But the fact remains that he's bad for her and she isn't a mental health professional.
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Hibiscus posted:Deliberately? What do you mean? Who would say all that crazy poo poo if he didn't believe it? Someone who knew saying that crazy stuff got them attention?
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Hibiscus posted:Deliberately? What do you mean? Who would say all that crazy poo poo if he didn't believe it?
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a travelling HEGEL posted:Sometimes people are legit delusional, like I think your guy is. But some of the people in this thread have also been trying to manipulate those around them. Either way, they can suck others into a really bad scene really fast. The point is, regardless of whether this guy was aware of what he was doing or not, the absolute worst thing you can do is contact him again. If it helps you to wipe your hands of the whole mess, write down what you would say to him on paper*, then destroy the pages in whatever manner you like best. At least then you'll get it out, but trust everybody who's saying nothing good will come of getting back in touch. *Seriously, physical paper, not an e-mail where you can hit send on impulse. Do not actually send it. Anoia fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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Anoia posted:The point is, regardless of whether this guy was aware of what he was doing or not, the absolute worst thing you can do is contact him again. This. Anoia is smart, listen to Anoia. I understand your first instinct as an empathetic, caring human being is to help this person, but sometimes that is the worst thing you can do, for yourself and him. Do the e/n thing and loving sever. It sucks.
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Anoia posted:The point is, regardless of whether this guy was aware of what he was doing or not, the absolute worst thing you can do is contact him again. This is a really great idea. Honestly, it doesn't matter if you write the most potent words mankind can create, because he will take ANY interaction from your end as Evidence that Your Love for Him is Real and His Prophecy is Coming True. Writing the words will likely be cathartic for you. Heck, you can even do this multiple times if you want/need. But you're just a regular person. You're not certified and trained to deal with this kind of crazy. You don't owe him anything, and from a pragmatic perspective, you really wouldn't be helpful to him anyway. He has you set up in his mind as a key piece of his delusional game. Even if you speak from a voice of reason he will interpret it so wrongly and completely miss the point, you know? He needs help from an outside professional who he hasn't already compartmentalized into his delusional scheme.
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Hibiscus posted:Deliberately? What do you mean? Who would say all that crazy poo poo if he didn't believe it? After plenty of time to reflect on that whole Martha saga bullshit I let myself be put through, I'm pretty sure that Martha didn't believe a goddamned bit of her delusions, from her DID to the loving perma-shingles. Especially considering that when she was recently trying to get me to at least hang out with her in a one-to-one situation again, about four months after we split, she decided to let me know that she hasn't had any major problems with her shingles, withdrawals, or with her other personalities surfacing or however the gently caress she puts it. This is going from at least three crises a week to allegedly none. I just let her know that I was glad cutting off contact with me made her so much more comfortable in life, and I wouldn't want to jeopardize that again. I'm not saying that she's even remotely comparable to your heavenly savior, but just saying that some people are willing to fake severe disorders for attention. Luckily she managed to manipulate some other unfortunate dude who lives like four hours away into letting her move in with him so she's pretty much as gone from my life as she'll ever be. If we are lucky, he'll become a goon eventually, see this thread, and give us some of his stories.
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