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Joementum posted:John Edwards 12% Christ, there but for the grace of God. I shudder to think what would have happened if he'd gotten the nomination in 2008 or the VP spot.
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Alter Ego posted:Christ, there but for the grace of God. I shudder to think what would have happened if he'd gotten the nomination in 2008 or the VP spot. The thing was, his ideas (or at least, what he was running on) were the opposite of terrible. It's just the the man himself was a total sleazeball, and he managed to hide it well for a while.
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Alter Ego posted:Christ, there but for the grace of God. I shudder to think what would have happened if he'd gotten the nomination in 2008 or the VP spot.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:His wife and handlers had a secret plan to stop him if it ever looked like he was going to win. This was the only way to handle things and letting him take millions in donations was completely ethical because Is this what Edwards fans kept telling themselves as the Rielle Hunter story unfolded?
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:His wife and handlers had a secret plan to stop him if it ever looked like he was going to win.
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Alter Ego posted:Is this what Edwards fans kept telling themselves as the Rielle Hunter story unfolded? They pivoted to how wonderful his wife was. But she was also a scumbag who had the fortune of getting her legacy healed by a terminal disease.
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SombreroAgnew posted:Is there a good article about this? Game Change broke this, I believe?
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Joementum posted:Obama got 7% in early December 2005 (Hillary Clinton 26%, John Edwards 12%, Joe Lieberman 10%, John Kerry 9%, Barack Obama 7%, Joe Biden 3%, Wesley Clark 3%, Bill Richardson 3%, Evan Bayh 1%, Tim Kaine 1%, Mark Warner 1%) and then wasn't included in a poll again until October 2006 where he got 17% (Hillary Clinton 28%, Barack Obama 17%, John Edwards 13%, Al Gore 13%, John Kerry 12%, Evan Bayh 2%, Joe Biden 2%, Russ Feingold 2%, Bill Richardson 2%, Tom Vilsack 1%). Going by that logic, that means whoever gets 7% in early PPP polling will be our next President!  I look forward to President Someone Else / Not Sure! 
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Posting this here ad from Schweitzer's 2008 campaign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrkbobD6iX8 A white politician standing alone on a ranch blasting clay pigeons from the sky, while an NRA endorsement crawls the screen - you gotta admire the number of Republican boxes he's ticking. The only thing he's missing is dusty fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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SombreroAgnew posted:Is there a good article about this? Yeah, as noted, "Game Change" details the Edwards/Rielle Hunter thing in a fair amount of sordid detail.
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As I was reading this interview, I was thinking to myself, "eh, I might be willing to vote for this guy in the primary" until they started talking about the Affordable Care Act. There's no way I'll ever vote for a presidential candidate who doesn't advocate a single-payer healthcare system. I'm not willing to settle for a public option. I really hope there will be a candidate in the 2016 Democratic primaries who advocates a single-payer healthcare system.
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Math Debater posted:As I was reading this interview, I was thinking to myself, "eh, I might be willing to vote for this guy in the primary" until they started talking about the Affordable Care Act. There's no way I'll ever vote for a presidential candidate who doesn't advocate a single-payer healthcare system. I'm not willing to settle for a public option. I really hope there will be a candidate in the 2016 Democratic primaries who advocates a single-payer healthcare system. There won't be.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:There won't be. There were in 2004 and 2008.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:There won't be. There absolutely will be but I find it incredibly hard to believe that they'll nab the nomination and by extension would have a hard time winning in November. People are so up in arms about the current state of ACA that I'd imagine it's going to take at least another two terms before the public would even consider a TRUE KARL MARX COMMUNIST AHHHH!!!!! idea like a single-payer system.
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The best part of 2008 was Mike Gravel dropping out of the Democratic primary, running as a Libertarian and coming in a close 2nd place in their primary after showing up to their convention in Vegas and trying to sell them on single payer healthcare because "freedom from want is the ultimate freedom".
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Single Payer will not be seriously considered on the federal level until well after a few states get it set up on their own. All progressive eyes are on Vermont and its likely kickoff date of 2017 for the state-level single payer system it's trying to get off the ground.
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Math Debater posted:There were in 2004 and 2008. There won't be any that matter on any conceivable > Mike Gravel level.
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Mark Penn "talking to the Clintons but my job as executive VP is really important guys" can be tea leaved as follows: 33%: actually not involved with the campaign 33%: will quit when it's time in 1.5 years 33%: there won't be a campaign In other words this nugget isn't really useful unless it's backed up by something other than this.
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Adar posted:There won't be any that matter on any conceivable > Mike Gravel level. This may be true, but I find Democratic primaries much more fun to follow when they include Kucinich-esque leftish candidates who I can feel relatively okay about rooting for.
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OAquinas posted:Single Payer will not be seriously considered on the federal level until well after a few states get it set up on their own. All progressive eyes are on Vermont and its likely kickoff date of 2017 for the state-level single payer system it's trying to get off the ground. Or if universal Medicare was passed and it became large/successful enough to start putting insurers out of business.
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Insurance companies aren't going to go out of business, they'll switch to higher profit things like being able to not cover basic things and instead charge absurd premiums to get people access to luxury hospitals and crap like that. With the deadweight of the millions of people who need normal healthcare off their books, they'll do fine.
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Insurance companies won't be as wealthy as they are now, but yeah,I figure private health insurance will be a thing that rich people have so that they don't have to wait their turn behind poor people to get all their health care.
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Adar posted:Mark Penn "talking to the Clintons but my job as executive VP is really important guys" can be tea leaved as follows: Or he's made it his personal mission working for Microsoft to bring back the Zune.
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Does anyone take Mark Penn seriously as a political adviser / pollster anymore? It seems like "corporate leech" is about his ceiling now.
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The Clintons have a thing for gross fat dudes who are ethically sleazy closet Republicans that implode while in their service. With Morris and Penn gone, who will they turn to? I, for one, can't wait to find out who it will be this round.
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ReindeerF posted:The Clintons have a thing for gross fat dudes who are ethically sleazy closet Republicans that implode while in their service. With Morris and Penn gone, who will they turn to? I, for one, can't wait to find out who it will be this round. The phone rings in the Luntz manse. He puts down his plate of spaghetti, turns off The Newsroom and answers. "Hello? Hillary?"
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Joementum posted:The phone rings in the Luntz manse. He puts down his plate of spaghetti, turns off The Newsroom and answers. "Hello? Hillary?" God that profile was the saddest thing
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OAquinas posted:Single Payer will not be seriously considered on the federal level until well after a few states get it set up on their own and half of Congress is replaced. 
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Chokes McGee posted:and half of Congress is replaced. ...Optimistically.
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Robert Gates wrote a memoir. Here's his take on Biden:quote:Mr. Gates calls Mr. Biden “a man of integrity,” but he questions the vice president’s judgment. “I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” Mr. Gates writes. quote:Though the book simmers with disappointment in Obama, it reflects outright contempt for Vice President Joe Biden and many of Obama’s top aides. And on Hillary: quote:Gates offers a catalogue of various meetings, based in part on notes that he and his aides made at the time, including an exchange between Obama and then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton that he calls “remarkable.” Up to you how much credit you give a former SecDef, DCI, and head of the NSA. Joementum fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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Install Windows posted:Insurance companies aren't going to go out of business, they'll switch to higher profit things like being able to not cover basic things and instead charge absurd premiums to get people access to luxury hospitals and crap like that. With the deadweight of the millions of people who need normal healthcare off their books, they'll do fine. If someone is rich enough to afford super-luxury private health insurance, aren't they rich enough to pay out of pocket? Why have insurance at all at that point?
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Joementum posted:Robert Gates wrote a memoir. Here's his take on Biden: Glowing treatment of longtime friend Hillary, biting resentment towards Biden? I'm sure there's no ulterior motive here. Corrupt Politician posted:If someone is rich enough to afford super-luxury private health insurance, aren't they rich enough to pay out of pocket? Why have insurance at all at that point? There's ubermegarich, then there's very comfortable/upper middle class where you can afford platinum insurance premiums but maybe not multimillion dollar treatment. Its also assumed they'd get expedited/premium care. Very niche, but definitely a viable market. OAquinas fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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And when they dick you over and refuse to cover your procedure, you've got a failsafe. It's perfect! for them
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Corrupt Politician posted:If someone is rich enough to afford super-luxury private health insurance, aren't they rich enough to pay out of pocket? Why have insurance at all at that point? I could see a private hospital only accept certain premium insurance schemes (maybe even only one they offer). Make is fancy enough, with some name recognition and then it's a keeping up with the Jones' situation.
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These sorts of premium insurance programs are popular in Canada where they're practical and legal. Granted, they have drug insurance programs that lots of people use everywhere as a reliable bread and butter product.
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Corrupt Politician posted:If someone is rich enough to afford super-luxury private health insurance, aren't they rich enough to pay out of pocket? Why have insurance at all at that point? Rich people prefer to not use their own money and insurance is one way to do that!
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duz posted:Rich people prefer to not use their own money and insurance is one way to do that! Also money is worth more if you have to pay it all at once compared with annuities like premiums. If you make 5% annually on investments then the $1 million you have in the bank will give you more money by investing it and paying $1000/month in premiums for health insurance compared with spending $1 million for a surgery.
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That's pretty crazy. I kind of hoped both Obama and Hillary were better than that.
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What the gently caress?quote:Though the book simmers with disappointment in Obama, it reflects outright contempt for Vice President Joe Biden and many of Obama’s top aides. If you can't "aggressively question" Our Military Leaders in loving Cabinet and NatSec meetings, when the gently caress can you question them??
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