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Construction and wood selection does matter on some guitars. I've played a lot of mandolins and ones made out of nicer materials with better done finishes do sound a lot better. With actual guitars it isn't really that complex and comes down to how dense the wood is. If you ever want proof try playing one of those 80's Marlin Basses. Those things are heavy as gently caress and have nutty good sustain. But like I can't tell the difference between, say a cheap SG made with pressboard and a real SG made out of real wood. poo poo sounds pretty much the same.
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Jan 8, 2014 09:41
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Zonekeeper posted:Love it when somebody makes a statement like that and undeniable proof gets posted shortly after. my spoiled first world hands were offended by the guitars I found here in China but it was impossible for me to convince anyone of my greatness if I couldn't even play a whole song without loving up(and blaming the guitar like a little bitch). So instead of buying an expensive name brand, I bought the poo poo everyone else here plays and my finger strength and accuracy are on a whole new level now. I bought a Chinese strat and a knock off pignose and now I kind of prefer the raw sound
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Jan 8, 2014 11:10
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Astrobastard posted:
Tempered? I bet string bending is a bitch, if at all possible.
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Jan 8, 2014 12:47
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stratdax posted:Also, none of it matters. Eddie Van Halen had "somewhere around Eb" tuning plus a much-more flat B-string because it sounded cool, he just played or bent-up to whatever sounded right, and Atomic Punk is still boss. iirc he did that because he plays a lot of triads on the d/g/b strings and it makes thirds sound more tune jack endino had an article in tapeop a long time ago about why guitars have lovely tuning http://www.endino.com/archive/tuningnightmares.html
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Jan 8, 2014 13:16
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Astrobastard posted:
Holy poo poo, I can't imagine what that's like to play, cutting the fret slots must have been a right pain in the dick not the mention bending the wire. ZombieParts posted:my spoiled first world hands were offended by the guitars I found here in China but it was impossible for me to convince anyone of my greatness if I couldn't even play a whole song without loving up(and blaming the guitar like a little bitch). So instead of buying an expensive name brand, I bought the poo poo everyone else here plays and my finger strength and accuracy are on a whole new level now. I bought a Chinese strat and a knock off pignose and now I kind of prefer the raw sound If you can, see if you can take it to a decent guitar tech and get them to give it a full set-up with a fret level and dressing. It'll play a million times better. Tempus Fugit posted:Yeah and a lot of people develop allergies to the molds in spalted wood too, a dust mask is a pretty good idea especially if you do a lot of sanding. Ever try to hand plane a burl? First thing I did when I started building guitars properly was to buy a expensive dust mask, I learned my lesson when I sanded the finish off the neck of a skeevy Russian guitar without a mask and was sick for 3 days (gently caress knows what they used, nitromors didn't even soften it). gently caress planing burl, massive lumps of it just rip out so you have to plane more off to get them out and a chunk falls out in a different place gklhjgflkjhkjkgfkfglhgfklkf. Bad. This is an fantastic article, thanks! Barnaby Rudge fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Jan 8, 2014 |
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Jan 8, 2014 13:47
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White Dog Eggs posted:Holy poo poo, I can't imagine what that's like to play, cutting the fret slots must have been a right pain in the dick not the mention bending the wire.  enjoy your nightmares adjustable microtonal scale system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYK_PF9WTRE
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Jan 8, 2014 13:56
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comes along bort posted:
gently caress you, that doesn't exist. No way. Some 5-foot tall prima-donna lead guitar poo poo with a bandanna is going to see that and try and get me to build it. I'm scared. Cool idea though.
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Jan 8, 2014 13:59
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the one time i was ever tempted to buy an ibanez unfortunately they only made it for middle eastern markets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTqZp4KFDE
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Jan 8, 2014 14:07
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White Dog Eggs posted:gently caress you, that doesn't exist. No way. Some 5-foot tall prima-donna lead guitar poo poo with a bandanna is going to see that and try and get me to build it. I'm scared. This is probably what they'd ask for. This would also probably be how well they play it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNcJ91bRamI
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Jan 8, 2014 14:30
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comes along bort posted:the one time i was ever tempted to buy an ibanez Any decent guitar-builder/lutheir should be able to build you one of those for not too much, gently caress, I'm tempted (must stop wanting to build stuff). man thats gross posted:This is probably what they'd ask for. This would also probably be how well they play it. Money well spent.
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Jan 8, 2014 14:36
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White Dog Eggs posted:Any decent guitar-builder/lutheir should be able to build you one of those for not too much, gently caress, I'm tempted (must stop wanting to build stuff). well yeah i could just take a neck and cut the extra fret slots myself but that guitar was only $600
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Jan 8, 2014 15:51
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So here's something I don't think has come up yet in the thread. LED fret markers.    They show up on custom basses a lot.   Nerds love them  LOL  Dickhole and LEDs
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Jan 8, 2014 17:05
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Thumposaurus posted:
Now they just need six per fret that light up to show you where to put you fingers, and the world of music will open up for a new generation. *I'm kinda surprised that there isn't an infomercial for something like that yet.
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Jan 8, 2014 17:22
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tane as gently caress
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Jan 8, 2014 17:33
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hi i'm zakk wylde listen as i combine the raw brutality of emgs and floyd rose with thick black lines
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Jan 8, 2014 17:43
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Declan MacManus posted:hi i'm zakk wylde listen as i combine the raw brutality of emgs and floyd rose with thick black lines This sort of thing makes the fact that he's like the nicest dude ever / a huge guitar nerd even more awesome Also I would argue that restringing a Floyd from scratch is the true definition of brutality
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Jan 8, 2014 17:47
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i was literally just reading the moderne page on wiki and saw he had a model and was like i wonder how ugly that is and boom the thread has it the second i think that, thanks thread
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Jan 8, 2014 17:47
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Handen posted:tane as gently caress Ignoring the fact that it's butt ugly, why would you bother using mahogany and maple and nitrocellulose for "awesome tone" and then put a couple of active EMGs in it? You could duct tape those EMGs into an old pizza box and plug it in and it would sound p much the same. Meaning it would sound fierce.
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Jan 8, 2014 18:00
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Tempus Fugit posted:Ignoring the fact that it's butt ugly, why would you bother using mahogany and maple and nitrocellulose for "awesome tone" and then put a couple of active EMGs in it? You could duct tape those EMGs into an old pizza box and plug it in and it would sound p much the same. Meaning it would sound fierce. I'm actually speechless. Do people really think that about nitro-based paints and finishes??? They are unstable as gently caress and super nasty to use, you can't even transport nitrocellulose varnish in a plane as it poses an honest-to-god explosion risk. Barnaby Rudge fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jan 8, 2014 |
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Jan 8, 2014 18:32
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Frankenstyle posted:Now they just need six per fret that light up to show you where to put you fingers, and the world of music will open up for a new generation. This is actually a thing, I remember seeing them in Musician's Friend catalogs years and years ago: http://fretlight.com/
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Jan 8, 2014 18:33
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White Dog Eggs posted:.....Tone....Paint? You didn't know? oh my sweet summer child E: I only like nitro because of the way it wears but there's pretty much no reason to use it, like, ever. Some people think it allows the wood to breathe more because people are retarded. You can get poly thinner than nitro and it's more durable.
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Jan 8, 2014 18:36
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White Dog Eggs posted:.....Tone....Paint? You've never heard the argument that poly finishes "deaden" the tone and nitro is soooooo the way to go? It's one of more dipshit ideas in an industry chock-full of dipshit ideas.
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Jan 8, 2014 18:37
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Declan MacManus posted:You didn't know? Tempus Fugit posted:You've never heard the argument that poly finishes "deaden" the tone and nitro is soooooo the way to go? It's one of more dipshit ideas in an industry chock-full of dipshit ideas. But... But..... No way. No no no no no no. Is this an American thing or something? I've had loads of commissions and I've heard all sorts of stupid poo poo about tone, but never tone paint. Tone-paint??? It even sounds stupid to say. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
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Jan 8, 2014 18:42
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White Dog Eggs posted:But... But..... No one calls it tone paint but the idea is that nitrocellulose comes from wood, right and breathability (the wood is still alive, you see)
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Jan 8, 2014 18:48
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Tempus Fugit posted:You've never heard the argument that poly finishes "deaden" the tone and nitro is soooooo the way to go? It's one of more dipshit ideas in an industry chock-full of dipshit ideas. haha this thread is like the anti-gear page
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Jan 8, 2014 18:56
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Declan MacManus posted:No one calls it tone paint but the idea is that nitrocellulose comes from wood, right If that was true then a oil finish would be better anyway. Jesus people are stupid! I mostly use oil finishes, ergo I am the tone king. Please buy my £300 rosewood tone-knobs.
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Jan 8, 2014 19:00
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White Dog Eggs posted:But... But..... Yeah, these idiots are just audiophiles by another name. They look at you like you're an idiot for suggesting that it's possible to improve on the manufacturing processes of the '50s. Because like everyone knows, nobody has ever made an instrument that's worth a poo poo since then.  Even better, guitar manufacturers know these people exist and cater to them. See: Gibson promising that they've gotten closer than ever to replicating the tone of classic PAFs on this year's '59 Les Paul reissue. (Spoiler: They reisuue it every year because  HOLY GRAIL.) Can't blame them for going where the money is, at least.
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Jan 8, 2014 19:03
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Zonekeeper posted:Yeah, these idiots are just audiophiles by another name. They look at you like you're an idiot for suggesting that it's possible to improve on the manufacturing processes of the '50s. Because like everyone knows, nobody has ever made an instrument that's worth a poo poo since then. Oh yea, Guitar companies will milk that poo poo for all it's worth, but I just never heard about loving tone-paint. The PAF pickup fetish is all kind of hilarious too, I've had one person tell me that new PAF pickups aren't as good because all the new magnets have too much radiation in them so the electrons don't flow as well 
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White Dog Eggs posted:Oh yea, Guitar companies will milk that poo poo for all it's worth, but I just never heard about loving tone-paint. The PAF pickup fetish is all kind of hilarious too, I've had one person tell me that new PAF pickups aren't as good because all the new magnets have too much radiation in them so the electrons don't flow as well You know, I go back and fourth about whether the home stereo audiophile industry or the the guitar industry is crazier and more filled to the brim with snake oil. At this point I'm settling on them being about the same. The only reason audiophiles seem more insane is because they generally put a lot more money into their retarded and misinformed beliefs.
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Jan 8, 2014 20:02
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GreatGreen posted:At this point I'm settling on them being about the same. The only reason audiophiles seem more insane is because they generally put a lot more money into their retarded and misinformed beliefs. i see you've never been in the market for a two rock, klon, or dumble
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Jan 8, 2014 20:10
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on the one hand that 60th anniversary telecaster with the laquer finish did sound noticeably better than the polyurethane ones on the other hand fender american standards sounded like poo poo before the 2012 pickup upgrade, so the competition was pretty weak
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Jan 8, 2014 20:16
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Iamthegibbons posted:Here's a guy who knows how to rock a classy guitar. You'd best not be hating on Bootsy.
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Jan 8, 2014 20:27
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White Dog Eggs posted:
Just out of curiosity, boiled linseed or tung? And have you fully explored the tone enhancing/robbing properties of each...
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Jan 8, 2014 20:36
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White Dog Eggs posted:Never tell this to a guitarist mid tone-wood sperg, they get angry. It's hilarious, expensive, but hilarious. Lost a commission that way once, doh. People really do not like being told that the reason that they sound like poo poo is because they play like poo poo, and that buying a $2500 guitar will not make them any better. "It's not that I'm an extremely sloppy player who refuses to slow down and learn things cleanly while gaining speed, it's just that my $600 guitar is holding me back."
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White Dog Eggs posted:Oh yea, Guitar companies will milk that poo poo for all it's worth, but I just never heard about loving tone-paint. The PAF pickup fetish is all kind of hilarious too, I've had one person tell me that new PAF pickups aren't as good because all the new magnets have too much radiation in them so the electrons don't flow as well Magnets, how do they work?
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Mineaiki posted:People really do not like being told that the reason that they sound like poo poo is because they play like poo poo, and that buying a $2500 guitar will not make them any better. Oh, the best ones are the idiots who idolize SRV. A choice quote from a few months back in the Guitar Megathread in Musician's Lounge: Castor Poe posted:Oh man, wait 'till you meet your first SRV wannabe, who's gonna call you a loving pussy for not using 12's and Texas Specials and proceed to show you how great their tone is by playing the absolute worst loving rendition of Texas Flood you'll ever hear. Since I was there, I decided to grab these quotes from the discussion because they paint a vivid picture of why you don't want to imitate SRV: Kilometers Davis posted:SRV was all ts mid bump + hands. His punchy snappy attack and presence was definitely due to those. It's funny how everyone gets huge strings and neglects to pay attention how he played guitar physically. It was pretty rough and relentless, way more than the average player could even handle without crippling your hands in a few years. His range of dynamics was insane. The strings were big because they had to physically defend themselves from his playing. So if you're looking to sound like SRV go get some alcohol, 13s and jump in the ocean because you're going to fail. Castor Poe posted:According to Rene Martinez, Stevie's fretting hand was so messed up that he'd often super glue chunks of his forearm skin to his fingers and eventually switched to a lighter gauge, because gently caress that poo poo. comes along bort posted:Martinez also said that he had to refret Stevie's guitars every year because he'd wear them down that quickly, then eventually replace the necks because he was wearing down the fretboards too. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
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I love the way spergy guitar people get into how materials change the sound of a guitar then hook it up to an iPad. Why? They can't afford the vintage amp after the guitar. I lived in a huge music city and there was a company that bought old Fenders, fixed them, and put some sticker where Fender should be on the head. They were constantly moving stock in a local shop for thousands a guitar.
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Tempus Fugit posted:Just out of curiosity, boiled linseed or tung? And have you fully explored the tone enhancing/robbing properties of each... I refer boiled linseed for necks and my own blend of Danish Oil for the body with a bee's wax polish to shine it up. I've never really noticed a improved tone with oil finshes on electrics tbh, there are so many other factors that effect the sound to a greater extent. The one way it can have an adverse effect on tone would be if you got it in the neck pocket, ideally you want it bare for the sound to transfer through the instrument better, anything between the neck and the neck pocket has a deadening effect (this is why set-necks can sound pretty dull). This thread is really bringing out the sperg in me.
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