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Dexo posted:At least Manziel is used to a terrible O-Line albeit not against NFL talent. The A&M OLine isn't terrible. It gave him tons of time and has produced the #2 draft pick last year and a ~Top 5 pick this year.
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Dexo posted:At least Manziel is used to a terrible O-Line albeit not against NFL talent. What? He had Joeckel and Matthews bookending him in his freshman year. He had a great O-line which was part of the reason for his success and crazy rear end plays.
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Dexo posted:No way Manziel drops out of the first round. Unless he like shows up drunk to his interviews. What if he "oversleeps" and misses the interviews altogether?
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bewbies posted:I think I'd be on board with the Chefs trading into the 20s to take Manziel. He would be a great fit for that offense. He almost certainly won't be there but still. He still wouldn't have anyone to throw to.
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Manziel is used to improvising when protection breaks down but he also will take off and leave the pocket when it's still intact so figuring out the best balance there will probably be key for whomever is coaching him up.Ozu posted:Greater than 50% on deep passes is really impressive. His ball placement is above average and he knows how to use his receivers to their fullest (sup Mike Evans) Dexo posted:No way Manziel drops out of the first round. Unless he like shows up drunk to his interviews. This is not out of the realm of possibilities tbh
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Declan MacManus posted:This is not out of the realm of possibilities tbh I was about to say this exact thing, actually. Not that I think it will happen but I wouldn't be shocked by it.
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Doltos posted:What? He had Joeckel and Matthews bookending him in his freshman year. He had a great O-line which was part of the reason for his success and crazy rear end plays. It must seem that way because he is constantly operating in a state of chaos.
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Declan MacManus posted:Manziel is used to improvising when protection breaks down but he also will take off and leave the pocket when it's still intact so figuring out the best balance there will probably be key for whomever is coaching him up. Ok, here's the deal with Manziel and why he's such a hard prospect to predict: Manziel, for all intents and purposes, is a superb player. One of the best I've ever seen. He's got incredible awareness, incredible elusiveness, and just... I dunno... gets football. He has a good throwing motion and when he sets his feet his accuracy and velocity is decent enough. He has a NFL arm. Now the part I can't get past is why he's so special. What he does is not football smart, in a sense. I keep bringing it up but he had that one play in the bowl game where he hurdled a collapsing pile and threw across his body for a completion. It looked fantastic and was an incredible play, but if you look at the play again, his pocket didn't actually collapse. The DTs rushing him fell flat on their face and the DE's had the edge sealed against them. He had another two seconds in the pocket, but he chose to jump the guys and make a poor decision throw across his body that happened to work out. I see this stuff constantly with Manziel. He makes superb plays that are a micro-second away from turning into a disaster. Pundits can knock him for his size, and I agree with it, but I think what makes him so special is what makes him so risky of a pick. I just don't see him being able to throw across his body in the NFL. He doesn't have the arm for it. I don't see him being able to rely on a Mike Evans at the next level. It's not because he won't have an elite #1, but he throws against college CBs that don't play at the point of the reception. They all seem to go for the pick or the swat in front of Evans instead of going after his hands. Those floaters that he drops in just don't come in fast enough. I want Manziel to do well because I want to watch that guy play for a long while, but I just can't safely say that he'll be a bust or a success. I can't say if he's going top 5 or top 50. He's just so tough to predict. Dexo posted:It must seem that way because he is constantly operating in a state of chaos. Exactly, he creates that chaos more often than not. Can't blame the O-line for the pocket collapsing if Manziel is sprinting around switching directions every second.
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LiquidFriend posted:They've got the 23rd pick, so they wouldn't even have to trade up. This hadn't even occurred to me. welp We sign Maclin and Kelce turns out to be anything decent we have the makings of a semi-viable offense.
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euphronius posted:It looks like Maclin is staying in Phila, if you go by press statements. And Alex Smith is getting extended in KC if you go by Jason Cole's story today. I wonder how much that's going to cost.
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excidium posted:I wonder how much that's going to cost. My soul.
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Whether we agree with it or not (and I certainly don't because I think it's dumb as poo poo), we can't disregard that teams might dock Manziel on their draft board for "character issues" based on his career at A&M. I don't think Manziel has 'character issues' that in any way impact how he plays quarterback, but it's going to be a thing and his interviews with teams are going to be over-scrutinized. I don't know how getting thrown out of a party makes one college kid any different from any other college kid, but some teams will say "NOT A LEADER" and rate him as a 2nd day pick. It seems like a distant memory now when he was doing the "I didn't get caught" celebrations in his first game back and everyone was getting sanctimonious about it, but that poo poo will get dredged back up during this whole process. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 8, 2014 |
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Declan MacManus posted:This is not out of the realm of possibilities tbh Kerry Collins still went top 5.
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Quest For Glory II posted:It seems like a distant memory now when he was doing the "I didn't get caught" celebrations in his first game back and everyone was getting sanctimonious about it, but that poo poo will get dredged back up during this whole process. I would want the titans to draft him based on that alone. And hire sumlin or somebody not lovely
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Jan 8, 2014 22:39
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The Titans have had a lot of success with guys who like to make it rain
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Intruder posted:The Titans have had a lot of success with guys who like to make it rain Vince young owned and I'm pissed we lost both him and Fisher.
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Intruder posted:The Titans have had a lot of success with guys who like to make it rain So they should draft Storm Johnson?
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Is there any chance the Rams say gently caress Sam Bradford and get Manziel? I guess technically the Rams are a NFC football team.
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PrinceRandom posted:Is there any chance the Rams say gently caress Sam Bradford and get Manziel? I guess technically the Rams are a NFC football team.
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It's possible. They get a pretty hefty cap savings (~$10.5m with just ~$7m in dead money holy poo poo Sam Bradford's cap number for 2014 is ~$17.5m) for cutting him
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I just don't think Fisher wants to lose his job because he drafted and started a rookie QB and they go 5-11 or whatever. There are personal interests that will keep them from drafting QB unless Fisher gets a long term vote of confidence. He was pretty quick to name Bradford the 2014 starter, the same way Chip Kelly said Foles was his guy next year.
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If Bradford weren't so mediocre I'd be more inclined to agree with you. Eating up 15% of your total cap space with a bottom third of the league starting QB though? Though I suppose he was having a pretty decent year before he got hurt
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It's agonizing with Bradford because you can see the progress but it's the slowest progress I've ever seen a QB make. He's never taken a step backward, it's just been small steps forward each year. This year you could see he was taking a bigger step, minimizing the turnovers, his TD% was way up, his rating was up, in spite of his circumstances. But then the injury. Also the Rams have been as bad at drafting receivers as the Philadelphia Eagles were 10 years ago. Austin Pettis, Brian Quick, and Chris Givens are a joke. On top of that they thought letting Brian Schottenheimer run the offense was a good idea. And as far as I know I haven't heard of him being fired yet. So... yeah, just imagine Brian Schottenheimer developing one of the rookie QBs.
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It was more of a joke. I fully expect them to trade down and take a Tackle.
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bewbies posted:I think I'd be on board with the Chefs trading into the 20s to take Manziel. He would be a great fit for that offense. He almost certainly won't be there but still. Well we would have to see his risotto first....
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Though if they do take him, I'm quite open to being the only Rams fan on the forum.
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In which jeffersonlives agrees with Rich Cimini... http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/34399/broadway-johnny-jets-should-be-so-lucky
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Ozu posted:In which jeffersonlives agrees with Rich Cimini... I'd like to see him on the Jets. I thought Smith would be more watchable but their offense was still boring as hell this year.
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Where is GB going to go? They need help at OL, TE (Finley's limp body will haunt me), S...boy!
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euphronius posted:It looks like Maclin is staying in Phila, if you go by press statements. 
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What's a likely pick for the Jaguars going in? They're loving terrible.
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droey posted:What's a likely pick for the Jaguars going in? They're loving terrible. Probably Bortles. Gabbert to Bortles. Not a quarterbacky succession of names at all
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Quest For Glory II posted:Jaguars will end up getting Clowney when the Rams trade out of their pick and QBs go #1 and #2. I think the Jags would be smart to take Clowney, run the Henne train into the ground, and try for the top QB next year.
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If Clowney's there at 3rd, they'll almost certainly take him over reaching for a QB. If he's gone for whatever reason, they might take a shot on Bortles or JFF (assuming Bridgewater isn't getting past the top 2) but I imagine the general preference would be to trade down for as many picks as someone's willing to throw.
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Doltos posted:I think the Jags would be smart to take Clowney, run the Henne train into the ground, and try for the top QB next year. There will be a pretty high profile QB prospect coming out of close by school that year...
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Doltos posted:I think the Jags would be smart to take Clowney, run the Henne train into the ground, and try for the top QB next year.
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