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Took an impromptu vacation and stopped at Wright-Pat on my way back. Second time there and I took the tour to see the Valkyrie. Probably sounds cliché, but it does seem bigger in real life. Not a whole lot of people there today, so I kept running into the same dozen people even on the tour. Including two jokers who kept saying all of the aircraft were scale replicas (most notably the C-17 and C-141 in the airpark), because 'they're actually really big', even after the tour guide told them they were actual aircraft. Got a chuckle out of seeing the D-21B. Though now I'm interested in that Piper "Mustang" they had. I've got to read up on that.
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Neat wake vortex video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViKYFsN3p24 Blistex posted:Really? I'm with you on the layover stress; with as often as flights get delayed, I like to schedule 90 minute layovers. I don't ever like to schedule less than 3 hours if I have to go through customs; 8 or 9 times out of 10 I'll fly through, but I've been stuck in that loving line for 3 hours before.
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grover posted:Neat wake vortex video: Wow, sure enough they stop EXACTLY when the plane touches down. I was taught this, but seeing it happen is quite interesting.
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The Ferret King posted:Wow, sure enough they stop EXACTLY when the plane touches down. I was taught this, but seeing it happen is quite interesting.
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Jan 10, 2014 03:21
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I also expected them to be a bit.... bigger.
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Jan 10, 2014 03:22
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^I'm sure there's a much larger, invisible vortex that's slower moving; it's just the inner, fast-rotating portion that causes the visible condensation (or whatever that is).^grover posted:Looked to me like it stopped because they raised the spoilers. I was gonna say it was when they started dropping the nose, which lowered the angle of attack. It all happens at once, and it's probably immaterial which directly caused it. They arise because of the pressure differential that generates lift; when the wing stops generating lift, the vortices go away.
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xaarman posted:I also expected them to be a bit.... bigger. What you're seeing in this video isn't exactly a wake vortex; it's just the air spilling off the outboard edge of the wing flaps. It does form part of the wake vortex (and it is the fastest rotating part), but it doesn't reflect the true size at all. I'm phone posting right now so I can't find it easily, but there's a video on YouTube done by NASA in the 70s where various aircraft flew through coloured smoke to study wake turbulence; that video shows just how big they really are.
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Jan 10, 2014 03:30
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That's some Donnie Darko poo poo right there.
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YF19pilot posted:
The PA-48 was basically a modification of a modification of the original Mustang. In 1957, a Florida newspaper publisher named David Lindsay got the idea to modify and refurbish old P-51's into executive aircraft, and in the mid 1960's the company was contracted to refurbish F-51's into ground attack aircraft for counter-insurgency aircraft that were provided to Bolivia, El Salvador, and Indonesia. Lindsay tried to interest the US government in a turboprop powered version of the Mustang, but since they weren't interested, he sold the design to Piper in 1970, in hopes that a company with a larger manufacturing capability might be able to secure a contract. The plan sort of worked, since Piper built two prototypes for evaluation in 1971 (one was lost in a crash), and after years of lobbying, funding was granted for two more that were built and tested in 1983-84). Despite the fact that the Enforcer (as the aircraft was called) performed well in testing, no production orders were ever placed, with one of the surviving aircraft going to the USAF museum in Ohio, and the other one is in storage at Edwards AFB awaiting restoration.
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grover posted:Looked to me like it was coming off the flaps, and stopped because they raised the spoilers. They stop when lift stops.
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Jan 10, 2014 03:46
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MrChips posted:What you're seeing in this video isn't exactly a wake vortex; it's just the air spilling off the outboard edge of the wing flaps. It does form part of the wake vortex (and it is the fastest rotating part), but it doesn't reflect the true size at all. Is it this one?
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Jan 10, 2014 08:24
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Hey I get to ride in a DASH later this month EWR to PIT! First time ever!
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Jealous Cow posted:Hey I get to ride in a DASH later this month EWR to PIT! First time ever! You poor bastard, condolences.
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Jealous Cow posted:Hey I get to ride in a DASH later this month EWR to PIT! First time ever! I assure you, it's nothing to be excited about. They are loud (at least all the ones I ride on), not very fast, and really good at flying through lovely weather and making you feel like you're in a paint mixer. Unfortunately for me when I fly out of SBY they are my only choice. When I take the short flight to PHL it's always on a -100 model.
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Just for a frame of reference, are they louder or quieter than an ATR? Because that's the only turboprop airliner I've ever ridden on and holy poo poo, never again (at least not without earplugs). I feel like in the year of our lord 2014 it is not unreasonable to expect that an airliner would have good enough soundproofing to not require you to yell to be heard in the cabin, but that is not the case with ATRs.
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Jan 10, 2014 16:37
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Bunch of people whining about turboprops up ins
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iyaayas01 posted:Just for a frame of reference, are they louder or quieter than an ATR? Because that's the only turboprop airliner I've ever ridden on and holy poo poo, never again (at least not without earplugs). I feel like in the year of our lord 2014 it is not unreasonable to expect that an airliner would have good enough soundproofing to not require you to yell to be heard in the cabin, but that is not the case with ATRs. The newer ones are quieter, the Q400 has acoustic noise canceling. And for short hops, Dashes are just as fast as an ERJ or CRJ. Any time gained in a faster cruise is lost in the earlier descent and slow for spacing.
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Jan 10, 2014 18:09
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Ferry flight nap time. Goodnight all.
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I'm listening to KCLT tower while waiting to push back and tower keeps telling the next ac up for departure that "advise so and so reports 20 knots lost on takeoff". What are they referring to? I can't imagine thy are losing that much airspeed just after takeoff.
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Polymerized Cum posted:The newer ones are quieter, the Q400 has acoustic noise canceling. A Q400 is to a Dash 8-100 what a brand new Greyhound bus is to riding in someone's enclosed pick-up bed on the highway in winter.
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Jealous Cow posted:I'm listening to KCLT tower while waiting to push back and tower keeps telling the next ac up for departure that "advise so and so reports 20 knots lost on takeoff". Shear?
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Polymerized Cum posted:Shear? Sure looks like it. KCLT 101752Z 35006KT 6SM BR OVC003 05/04 A3026 RMK AO2 RAE50 SLP247 P0008 60020 T00500044 10050 20033 58033 KCLT 101724Z 1018/1118 02008KT 4SM -RA BR OVC003 FM102200 04006KT 2SM -DZ OVC003 FM110300 03003KT 3/4SM -SHRA BR OVC003 WS020/20035KT FM110800 14004KT 3SM SHRA BR OVC004 WS020/20035KT FM111400 18010KT 4SM SHRA BR OVC005 WS020/20040KT
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Jealous Cow posted:I'm listening to KCLT tower while waiting to push back and tower keeps telling the next ac up for departure that "advise so and so reports 20 knots lost on takeoff". That would be wind shear. It's a pretty severe weather condition especially when encountered on takeoff/landing when the airplane is already quite slow. Some airports have the ability to detect wind shear at one or multiple points on the airport, otherwise ATC relies on pilot reports to become aware of the presence of shear. Leviathor posted:Sure looks like it. Interesting that it appears in a forecast. I didn't know they could predict it like that. I've never worked at a field with any sort of wind shear detection capability. The Ferret King fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jan 10, 2014 |
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I flew a Dash-8 from New Haven to Philly a couple of times last month. It wasn't really bad at all. They still do drink service on that hour flight. But I probably won't ever do it again, because only after I booked it did I find out that route has an abysmal on-time rate with pretty regular cancellations. The day I flew back, there were two of the four flights were delayed by two hours, and another was cancelled. Only mine was actually on-time, which was a miracle. For a business trip, that's not worth the risk to save the company a bit of money. (Yes, flying to SFO via PHL was cheaper than flying out of BDL Hartford.)
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Flying into Bradley is ridiculously expensive, when I flew back east to see my grandma I ended up flying into Providence instead because it was $200 cheaper.
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Not a good day for me to be flying into ORD. Half hour delay until the can tell us how long we're going to be delayed.
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azflyboy posted:The PA-48 was basically a modification of a modification of the original Mustang. In 1957, a Florida newspaper publisher named David Lindsay got the idea to modify and refurbish old P-51's into executive aircraft, and in the mid 1960's the company was contracted to refurbish F-51's into ground attack aircraft for counter-insurgency aircraft that were provided to Bolivia, El Salvador, and Indonesia. It's been reported part of the reason the USAF didn't want anything to do with the PA-48 is that by the 1970's they had basically no taildragger-qualified pilots left. Now, granted, the USAF/USN didn't totally divest themselves of C-47's/C-117's until just about that period, but I suppose it's a valid point. I'm sure the usual "It's not a Fighter, it doesn't give me a raging Fighter Jet Airpower Warrior Airmen Boner, cancel it" was in play as well.
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/man-selfies-plane-crash-both-incredible-terrifying-190126941.html Dude go-pros his plane crash.
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OK, dumb question about a turboprop - the Tu 95. Has anybody heard what they are like to fly? Like a drunk albatross? All et up with motor? Does the extreme NVH on long flights drive men mad?
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Speaking of dumb questions, does anyone have any info about Senior Span? I know it's a pretty recent modernization on the U-2, but there doesn't seem to be any info about it. Come to think of it, a U2 post would be awesome, as well. Big ol' floppy-winged bastards 
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iyaayas01 posted:Just for a frame of reference, are they louder or quieter than an ATR? Because that's the only turboprop airliner I've ever ridden on and holy poo poo, never again (at least not without earplugs). I feel like in the year of our lord 2014 it is not unreasonable to expect that an airliner would have good enough soundproofing to not require you to yell to be heard in the cabin, but that is not the case with ATRs. If they were in icing conditions they needed to have the props set at 1050rpm, while the normal cruise setting is 900 (applies to both the ATR and DHC-8). That could explain why it was so loud, or it could be that they were speeding to a long overnight with a decent hotel bar. 
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Nebakenezzer posted:OK, dumb question about a turboprop - the Tu 95. Pilot impressions from Russian bombers are very hard to find; especially for an aircraft still in service as the Tu-95 is. That said, what I have seen would indicate that the Tu-95 is a pretty dependable aircraft that flies (for an aircraft of its vintage) fairly well. Supposedly, it isn't as loud inside as you might expect; mind you that probably means it is merely deafening and not bowel-looseningly loud. E: Something else about the Tu-95 is that its safety record is apparently one of the best in any of the air arms of the Russian military, even going back well into Soviet times. MrChips fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jan 11, 2014 |
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ausgezeichnet posted:If they were in icing conditions they needed to have the props set at 1050rpm, while the normal cruise setting is 900 (applies to both the ATR and DHC-8). That could explain why it was so loud, or it could be that they were speeding to a long overnight with a decent hotel bar. It was a flight from MIA to EYW that I'm pretty sure didn't get above 10,000 feet.
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I really wanted to go to the open day for Beale AFB where several of the remaining U-2 fleet is based, but I don't think they had one last year, I checked a whole bunch of times. I'm not sure how I'd get up there (central CA) anyway. It's such a unique airplane.
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smackfu posted:I flew a Dash-8 from New Haven to Philly a couple of times last month. It wasn't really bad at all. They still do drink service on that hour flight. Quit whining, I just flew POM-KVG-RAB in a Q400 with only procedural flight following and constant storm dodging. Y'all don't know the meaning of real Dash-8 flying! Also, because I hate myself, I'm going up to Mt. Hagen in a -100 later this week. Yes, I am in PNG- yes there will be a war sperging post later when I finish war sperging.
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Fun flying down there. No storm dodging like mid-pacific storm dodging!
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Nebakenezzer posted:OK, dumb question about a turboprop - the Tu 95. Coincidentally enough, Kossack Air Force had a big post about the Tu-95 recently. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/07/1266893/-Cold-War-Relics-TU-95-Bear The author claims that intercepting pilots could hear and feel it over their own engines.
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StandardVC10 posted:I really wanted to go to the open day for Beale AFB where several of the remaining U-2 fleet is based, but I don't think they had one last year, I checked a whole bunch of times. I'm not sure how I'd get up there (central CA) anyway. It's such a unique airplane. There may not have been one last year due to the sequester/budget cutbacks. I know remember several demo teams cancelled their tours, for one thing.
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