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HerrMorden posted:I picked up "Prospero Burns" from the local used book place and the entire book is all about some barbarian dudes on Fenris, a space accountant or something and I thought we would be burning Shakespeare up in this novel. If you want (good) SM bolter porn, read: Battle for the Fang Legion of the Damned Wrath of Iron Helsreach (this is excellent all throughout) Prospero Burns is a character/setting study, and A Thousand Sons doesn't have much in the way of combat either.
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Nephilm posted:If you want (good) SM bolter porn, read: Oh, I don't mind a character study, but something about the language and the terms Abnett used rubbed me the wrong way. I'm only a third of the way though, hopefully I'll like it better towards the 2nd half. Has anyone listened to the "Honor The Dead" audio drama? Takes place during KNF and is very excellent.
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Have you read much Abnett? He uses language and character interaction for world building and depth. This sometimes happens at the expense of his action scenes, particularly noticeable with grand violent conclusions. Maybe he just doesn't gel with you?
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Prospero Burns is one of my favorite 40k books, simply because Abnett did such a fantastic job with the first part of that book, and succeeded in not only making Fenris seem like an in hospital death world, but he actually made it feel alien.
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UberJumper posted:making Fenris seem like an in hospital death world. Did you mean inhospitable? Either way that's provided the best mental image, Fenris as some lovely NHS ward run by Harold Shipman.
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UberJumper posted:an in hospital death world That's an insensitive way to refer to hospice care. 
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There are no hospitals on Fenris.
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AndyElusive posted:There are no hospitals on Fenris. So does someone want to explain that line? I took it as a reference to reconstruction south saying about the carpetbaggers - "there are no devils in hell, they are all here". And that kinda works for a SW motto, as it makes them sound really tough, and keeps with the tone Abnett has with writing them, that whole they put on one face for those they dealt with, they were really ruthless and focused under it. But that's a pretty obscure reference for a non southeastern american to make. I only know it because I spent about a decade in Virginia and the Carolinas. So I doubt that was it.
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Fried Chicken posted:So does someone want to explain that line? I took it to mean either that there are no literal wolves, that any wolf like things are failed Space Wolf... Wulfen? I forget the term. Or that the Space Wolves are not wolves, because that implies savagery, and are really proper soldiers, despite their outward appearance. I just bought, and finished, Chris Wraight's "Scars". It was nice to get a look at the White Scars during the heresy, since them and the Death Guard get no love whatsoever, but both are in this book. It was enjoyable, and I loved why the White Scars decided to remain loyal. Plus, there is a flash back to Ullanor where Fulgrim, Mortarion, Jagahati, and Sanguinius are talking about how the regular citizens bet on which one of them would win in an all out brawl. Obviously it's supposed to be ironic, because they end up killing each other, but the way they talked about it was just funny. If you got a couple bucks to waste, waste it on this. I loved it.
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I'm pretty sure there's something somewhere in the fluff that basically the original Fenrisian colonists had some wolf DNA mixed in somewhere, and the fenrisian 'wolves' were originally those that regressed somehow. But these days, they're the wolfen who went too far.
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Impaired Casing posted:I took it to mean either that there are no literal wolves, that any wolf like things are failed Space Wolf... Wulfen? I forget the term. Or that the Space Wolves are not wolves, because that implies savagery, and are really proper soldiers, despite their outward appearance. There are several types as playable units in the game: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fenrisian_Wolf#.UsdOuvRDt8E quote:I just bought, and finished, Chris Wraight's "Scars". It was nice to get a look at the White Scars during the heresy, since them and the Death Guard get no love whatsoever, but both are in this book. It was enjoyable, and I loved why the White Scars decided to remain loyal. Plus, there is a flash back to Ullanor where Fulgrim, Mortarion, Jagahati, and Sanguinius are talking about how the regular citizens bet on which one of them would win in an all out brawl. Obviously it's supposed to be ironic, because they end up killing each other, but the way they talked about it was just funny. If you got a couple bucks to waste, waste it on this. I loved it. Is it finally all out? Last I saw it was chapter by chapter.
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Fried Chicken posted:But there are wolves, and not just the Wulfen. Russ was raised by them, and has Freki & Geri as his pets, and both he and Horus wear a cloak made of the skins of other ones. The implication I got was that they were more than just wolves, almost a parallel to the tutelaries of the Thousand Sons.
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It's explicitly mentioned that there were no (fenrisian) wolves until the arrival of the Imperium. Leman Russ raised by wolves is an ambiguous myth, and the phrase itself ("there are no wolves") has the double meaning of the Space Wolves being loyal and proficient soldiers rather than beasts, and the creatures dubbed 'wolves' aren't mere animals, but a side-effect of bioengineering.
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Fried Chicken posted:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/scars-enhanced-ebook.html It came out a few days ago, I think. I was tempted to get it chapter by chapter, but I'm glad I didn't. I liked reading it in one, more or less, go rather than waiting week by week.
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I was thinking about getting Scars last week but wasn't sure if the serialized installments have finished or if they're going to continue. If former, nothing stopping me from reading it next but if the latter, may as well hold off. Matter of fact I'm still not sure and the BL site doesn't say.
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Angry Lobster posted:I second that. Finishing the third book and they are pretty good, it has constant decay and religious zealotry similar to what you can find in the 41st millenium. I just finished the third book last night and enjoyed the series overall. The ending seemed somewhat incomplete and rushed, but as a longtime 40k/Dan Abnett reader, I'm used to that kind of thing.  Definitely a fun ride, and parallels very well to 40k.
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Nephilm posted:It's explicitly mentioned that there were no (fenrisian) wolves until the arrival of the Imperium. Leman Russ raised by wolves is an ambiguous myth, and the phrase itself ("there are no wolves") has the double meaning of the Space Wolves being loyal and proficient soldiers rather than beasts, and the creatures dubbed 'wolves' aren't mere animals, but a side-effect of bioengineering. I thought that the "wolves" (genetically engineered humans, whatever) arrived with the original human colonists, not with the Imperium.
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JerryLee posted:I thought that the "wolves" (genetically engineered humans, whatever) arrived with the original human colonists, not with the Imperium.
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HerrMorden posted:Oh, I don't mind a character study, but something about the language and the terms Abnett used rubbed me the wrong way. I'm only a third of the way though, hopefully I'll like it better towards the 2nd half. The language is mostly extremely obvious references to Norse sagas. A shameful fantasy nerd who don't know he mythology (or even his Tolkein).
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Nephilm posted:It's explicitly
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Uh, there were "wolves" before Leman Russ came, remember that humans had been living there for ages before Leman Russ came in the early imperium/pre crusade years. I think the theory is that the "wolves" are people mutated by dark age of technology bioengineers or something back during the original original settlement of Fenris. e: You've got to remember that the coming of the Imperium to Fenris is pretty recent history in the Heresy days, the human settlement by the old pre-strife human empire was at least five thousand years or so before that and that's where the "wolves" come from. hopterque fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Jan 6, 2014 |
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Would someone mind telling me what happens in the last half of Blind? I picked up the Shira Calpurnia omnibus and dang, I just cannot take anymore of the least compelling main character ever being slightly bored and annoyed by everything while the plot happens somewhere else, primarily in the form of arrogant douchebags talking to each other.
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Nephilm posted:It's explicitly mentioned that there were no (fenrisian) wolves until the arrival of the Imperium. Leman Russ raised by wolves is an ambiguous myth, and the phrase itself ("there are no wolves") has the double meaning of the Space Wolves being loyal and proficient soldiers rather than beasts, and the creatures dubbed 'wolves' aren't mere animals, but a side-effect of bioengineering. This is how I've understood it. I lean on the meaning being that the Space Wolves are much more then "wolves", especially on Fenris, where they are out of the public eye and shed their guise as savages.
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MisterMarmite posted:Have you read much Abnett? He uses language and character interaction for world building and depth. This sometimes happens at the expense of his action scenes, particularly noticeable with grand violent conclusions. Maybe he just doesn't gel with you? I've read all of his books  Just not while completely blazed out of my gourd. I take my earlier posts back, I just finished PB and found the last half really engaging, and was pretty satisfied with how it turned out. The ending was quite bittersweet, but overall left me wanting more. Am I the only one who mentally yells "ITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, HORUS IS A DICK, DON'T TRUST THOSE GUYS"? Going to take on A Thousand Sons next!
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Are there any books that lay out the origin stories for the Primarchs or is it just reading wiki entries?
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There are bits and bobs in various Codices over the years and then there's the stuff you can glean from the Heresy series. A lot of it is summarised on the wikis, but there's the usual amount of GW retcon to sell mans at work.
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Amdis posted:Are there any books that lay out the origin stories for the Primarchs or is it just reading wiki entries? I believe it mostly comes from the Index Astartes articles (4-5 pages of lore and fluff) that were in White Dwarf when it wasn't just a catalogue. There was a book or two that collected them all at some point but I don't know if it's still in print.
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Impaired Casing posted:I just bought, and finished, Chris Wraight's "Scars". It was nice to get a look at the White Scars during the heresy, since them and the Death Guard get no love whatsoever, but both are in this book. It was enjoyable, and I loved why the White Scars decided to remain loyal. Plus, there is a flash back to Ullanor where Fulgrim, Mortarion, Jagahati, and Sanguinius are talking about how the regular citizens bet on which one of them would win in an all out brawl. Obviously it's supposed to be ironic, because they end up killing each other, but the way they talked about it was just funny. If you got a couple bucks to waste, waste it on this. I loved it. Just finished it myself and it's pretty decent, not ADB level but good nonetheless, however there were some things that I found odd. What purpose served the plot line of Yesugei's voyage? It seemed pretty pointless to me and adds little to the main plot, it had some nice insight about the librarium and Nikaea though. While I enjoyed the dialogue between Jaghatai and Magnus, the one with Mortarion was a bit silly. Yeah, you hate psykers and you wanted "purity", but your right hand man and confident(Typhon) was chief librarian of the Death Guard and the man responsible of corrupting the entire legion to Nurgle. Finally, the scene when an entire company of White Scars does a boarding action with motherfucking void jetbikes is probably stupid, but is so hilarously over the top is hard not to enjoy it Worth it to buy it as a whole, I would probably killed myself if I had bought it chapter by chapter.
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I finished it and I have to agree with your post. Vulkan Lives remains terrible, much to the objection of a few people in this thread. I thought that the comparisons between the Khan and Mortarion as outsiders was pretty well done, but there was a missed opportunity to not compare Angron's philosophy about tyrants to the Khan's. I'd really love a Death Guard book. Having the Death Guard go into an incredibly toxic, horrific environment that melts regular humans caught in the open would be a pretty cool set up.
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Fellblade posted:I believe it mostly comes from the Index Astartes articles (4-5 pages of lore and fluff) that were in White Dwarf when it wasn't just a catalogue. There was a book or two that collected them all at some point but I don't know if it's still in print. I have Index Astartes I,II, and III, but IV is pretty much impossible to find these days. The books in general are hard to find, and I am pretty sure long out of print, but for some reason IV is just retarded. It goes for over a hundred bucks now.
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Amdis posted:Are there any books that lay out the origin stories for the Primarchs or is it just reading wiki entries? Forge World's Horus Heresy book detail the Primarchs. Some go into a lot more depth than others, but they're pretty enjoyable. It's really hard to justify the price, though. Lexicanum has almost as much information, but lacks any real narrative feel.
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I would have bought every BL book by now if they were available on Amazon Kindle store. But GW is dumb and now they only get money for their Abnett books.
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Angry Lobster posted:
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I think that section, while cool, is partly to show technology that the Imperium has lost. In 40k only Samael (master of the Ravenwing) has one now. Everyone else uses the ones with tires. Now imagine if you could equip an entire chapter with the jetbikes...
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VanSandman posted:Vulkan Lives remains terrible, much to the objection of a few people in this thread. I got it and skipped everything except the sections with Vulkan in Konrad's captivity, because I wanted to be up to speed for the Abnett sequel. I found it sort of interesting, but didn't much care for the anti-climatic ending. The sideplot about anathemas or something seemed like the worst bolter porn drivel. Attack on Princess fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Jan 10, 2014 |
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Just reading about the Inquisition on wikis, I'm amazed by the variety within their ranks, and the lack of that diversity shown in Black Library books. Usually, good guy inquisitors are Amalathians, and bad guys are Xanthians. Are there any Black Library stories that feature the lesser-known ideologies or minor Ordos? Thorianism and the Ordo Chronos sound interesting.
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A lot of the expanded detail is from the Inquisitor and Dark Heresy game sourcebooks rather than novels particularly.
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William Bear posted:Just reading about the Inquisition on wikis, I'm amazed by the variety within their ranks, and the lack of that diversity shown in Black Library books. Usually, good guy inquisitors are Amalathians, and bad guys are Xanthians. The Eisenhorn and Ravenor books deal with quite a bit of that.
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I'd like to think that the Ordo Chronos took one look at an alternate dimension where things weren't so irrevocably messed up and then defected en masse. Somewhere out there must exist a place where the Dark Age of Technology marches on.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I'd like to think that the Ordo Chronos took one look at an alternate dimension where things weren't so irrevocably messed up and then defected en masse. Somewhere out there must exist a place where the Dark Age of Technology marches on. Yeah, but this is 40k. They erased themselves from existence or Sanguinius didn't have wings.
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