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twistedmentat posted:I don't think we should either, but at the same time, there is no way to talk to someone about this kind of stuff. Even if you say "you need to see someone that can help you" they refuse because no, they're not crazy they know what is happening, what they saw and dammit, they are not going to see a doctor! I honestly don't know what I could say to someone like that. I mean, I'd like to hope and believe that if it happened someday and I started seeing patterns like that, I'd be able to accept help from my family and think that maybe I *am* seeing things that aren't really there. But how could I do that if my *brain* is telling me there are patterns there and only I seem to be able to see them.  Brains are at the same time the most fascinating and the most terrifying things. When things go right, it's a marvel...When something goes wrong, its just...terrifying seeing it all go pear shaped.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Modern Art was largely European in its roots, and from way before the CIA. The Surrealist Manifestos were from 1924 and 1929, The Bauhaus was founded in 1919, Dada came about through gatherings of artists in Switzerland in WWI, etc whereas the OSS, the precursor to the CIA wasn't founded until WWII. If the idea is that Modern Art is a CIA invention or was non-influential until they got involved, you need some time travel in there. Instead, they were likely just funding already well regarded artists that went against the tenants of Soviet Realist art to piss off the USSR, and many of the more abstract schools of Modern Art contrasted heavily with Soviet Realism. That was basically it. The CIA wanted the American artistic scene to be very vibrant and innovative to contrast with the Soviet stagnation with Socialist Realism. Wowing the world. I don't think anybody claims the CIA invented modern art, but they funded the poo poo out of it.
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Shbobdb posted:That was basically it. The CIA wanted the American artistic scene to be very vibrant and innovative to contrast with the Soviet stagnation with Socialist Realism. Wowing the world. Also it's not like the CIA turned up on Rothko's doorstep with a huge bag of money and told him what to paint. The main way that the CIA interfered with the art community, as I understand it, was by having journalists and cultural/press organs that could be called upon to act as CIA fronts push those talking points. I think that I read somewhere that they did buy some paintings at inflated prices, but I can't remember where.
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/\I listen to Marilyn Manson but obey Rush Limbaugh I may have been a little flippant with my accusations of racism underlying Ancient Aliens, and yes Stonehenge and other megalithic European sites are often cited as Alien, but the focus on the modern theories is on South America, the Middle East and Asia. They have no hesitation to dismiss ancient peoples as primative, even thought that even if someone doesn't have an ipod or the steam engine, they can't figure out how to pile rocks. But there is a huge amount of paternalism when looking at ancient peoples myths and legends. No, says the man on History, your ancient beliefs are actually about aliens visiting, not what you believe in them. And because ancient peoples identified Aliens in the stories, according to theorists, therefor Aliens. If you read any of the actual academic stuff on the CIA and its misdeeds like MK Ultra, you find its less "evil sinister take over the world Doctor Doom" Stuff and more "Oh god we heard the Russians are working on this, we better check into this just in case there's something". Eventually they realized it was a dead end and concentrated on knocking over democratically but left leaning countries with oil and fruit. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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Spakstik posted:I'm going to regret asking this, but: to what end? Has he always been in cahoots with the US government, or just the Obama administration? If it's the former, why did they wait until Obama's first term to fake his death? This is a joke, right?
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twistedmentat posted:I may have been a little flippant with my accusations of racism underlying Ancient Aliens, and yes Stonehenge and other megalithic European sites are often cited as Alien, but the focus on the modern theories is on South America, the Middle East and Asia. They have no hesitation to dismiss ancient peoples as primative, even thought that even if someone doesn't have an ipod or the steam engine, they can't figure out how to pile rocks. Nothing flippant about it. You don't see them making the same claims about ancient European structures like the Temple of Artemis, Colossus of Rhodes, Statue of Zeus, etc.
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Sergg posted:Nothing flippant about it. You don't see them making the same claims about ancient European structures like the Temple of Artemis, Colossus of Rhodes, Statue of Zeus, etc.
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Sergg posted:This is a joke, right? I don't buy into any of it, if that's what you're getting at. It's just fascinating reading about the mental gymnastics that people perform to believe this incredibly outlandish poo poo.
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Strudel Man posted:You mean the ones that we only know about today because of the written records that the builders left about them, and about how they built them? Those structures? Hilariously, they actually have more than enough evidence showing that the Ancient Egytians built them, as they have found the records of the labour used. Maybe not "Pyramids for Dummies" that says exactly how they were built, but showing that thousands of workers (no slaves) where being housed, fed and given beer in Giza at the time is pretty good evidence.
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twistedmentat posted:Hilariously, they actually have more than enough evidence showing that the Ancient Egytians built them, as they have found the records of the labour used. Maybe not "Pyramids for Dummies" that says exactly how they were built, but showing that thousands of workers (no slaves) where being housed, fed and given beer in Giza at the time is pretty good evidence.
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Strudel Man posted:Even that isn't from written records, but from a cemetery for the workers. And it was only discovered relatively recently, ~1990. Obviously, yes, the Egyptians built the pyramids, but it isn't exactly hard to see why surviving ancient structures whose origins we don't know with detail would be more prone to gather up mystical explanations than ancient structures that we only know about because we can read the records talking about their construction. Attributing racism to it is foolish. Ehhh, look at how many modern events that are even more well documented have zillions of conspiracy theories surrounding them. I think concluding that records are the reason that there are less conspiracy theories about western artifacts is a bit silly, even if racism isn't involved. Also: Stonehenge.
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I think there's a strong point making the distinction between structures that survive today and those that don't in terms of the Aliens thing. We don't hear people talking about the Hanging Gardens of Babylon being built by aliens either. In general it's cases where large structures were built by cultures that are no longer around, creating structures that seem divorced from human presence. Inca temples out in the middle of unpopulated jungle seem inexplicable partly because most people know so little about the culture (it was pretty much anhilated) and partly because it's hard to square these giant structures in the wilderness with thriving human civilisations in the same place. While it doesn't make any intellectual sense, I can understand the appeal of 'aliens did it' in that light. As a further counter, the Chinese are still around today and had a pretty continuous social infrastructure and nobody really tries to argue that the Chinese wall was built by aliens. Although that could also be related to the wall serving an easily understandable function, something Stonehenge or the pyramids don't really seem to. Perhaps that cultural barrier also plays a part, it isn't immediately obvious why humans would build structure X (we don't build anything like it) so aliens! Maybe if we built churches in the form of ziggurats we wouldn't see people latching onto the ancient aliens thing so readily.
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Well Chinese structures don't get as much conspiracy nonsense because records exist. The ancient Chinese were ridiculously meticulous in their recordkeeping and although its gone through some dramatic shifts over time, there's a still a recognizably "Chinese" culture that can explain these things.
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Also, the Chinese have their own wacky conspiracy theories to support themselves. Since there is already a vibrant counter-narrative, the only reason to create a counter-counter narrative would be to assert that Aryans did it first. Of which there are also several, but while CTs are necessarily reactionary, not all CTs are overt in their reaction. Indeed, plenty gain strength by distancing themselves from it.
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Republican Vampire posted:Also it's not like the CIA turned up on Rothko's doorstep with a huge bag of money and told him what to paint. The main way that the CIA interfered with the art community, as I understand it, was by having journalists and cultural/press organs that could be called upon to act as CIA fronts push those talking points. I think that I read somewhere that they did buy some paintings at inflated prices, but I can't remember where.
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Negative Entropy posted:The main thing is that by paying people to host exhibitions and by spreading word of mouth, the CIA bolstered the popularity of abstract artists and sped up the process by which modern art became accepted as good within mainstream culture. Essentially abstract art was one part of a greater propaganda/psyops campaign done by the US, including things like Radio Free Europe/China. Sometimes the CIA's crazy ideas work stupendously, and other times they're just head-scratchingly bad. Of course while we were doing crazy poo poo this and staring at goats, the Russians had a tap in our embassy over there for years that we never found. It was little more than a wire in a piece of art that vibrated with the sound in the ambassador's office and they picked up the vibrations by bouncing radio signals off of it. Not that I doubt that the Russian intelligence operations has some batshit, pants on head insane projects of their own we just haven't heard about.
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My understanding is that the Soviets were also trying to close the "psychic" gap with their own programs. I'm googling looking for examples but, to be fair, as hosed up as the Western system is, the Soviet system was super hosed up. I'm just saying, it's hard to get up in arms against a program like MK ULTRA or GLADIUS when people are getting abducted late at night because they are living in a totalitarian state. That doesn't apologize the hosed-up-ness of it. It's like torture. That's something that *other* people are supposed to do, not what we do. Too bad that's what we're all about now.
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Pretty sure one of the most successful counter intelligence efforts of the 60's was the CIA convincing the Soviets that not only were we working on a force of psychics working for American interests but we were also incredibly far ahead of them.
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Shbobdb posted:My understanding is that the Soviets were also trying to close the "psychic" gap with their own programs. Oh, I'm sure the Russians had plenty of crazyness, but at the same time their more secretive and totalitarian intelligence community probably let them go "what were we thinking?" and burning the documents to avoid later humiliation instead of just classifying it for 30 years like the US which just means that their children were old enough to understand how crazy their parents were.
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Alkydere posted:Oh, I'm sure the Russians had plenty of crazyness, but at the same time their more secretive and totalitarian intelligence community probably let them go "what were we thinking?" and burning the documents to avoid later humiliation instead of just classifying it for 30 years like the US which just means that their children were old enough to understand how crazy their parents were. The Mitrokhin Archive is probably as close as we're ever going to come to a proper KGB document dump, and there are a lot of questions about its credibility.
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twistedmentat posted:/\I listen to Marilyn Manson but obey Rush Limbaugh You may not have been watching much past season one of "Cargo Cults: Why your ancestors were dumb." But after they get past the biggest megaliths, they start to really branch out into how it's every culture ever including the west. In one episode they explain how the Parthenon was really a spaceport (because: retaining walls), DaVinci was possessed by aliens (because Mad Magazine fold-ins of his works), and even Einstein was an alien because of his brain or something. Each individual episode may be "these people couldn't do that on their own" but on a whole there's really no one left they havn't said that to. Even Americans!
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Strudel Man posted:Even that isn't from written records, but from a cemetery for the workers. And it was only discovered relatively recently, ~1990. Obviously, yes, the Egyptians built the pyramids, but it isn't exactly hard to see why surviving ancient structures whose origins we don't know with detail would be more prone to gather up mystical explanations than ancient structures that we only know about because we can read the records talking about their construction. Attributing racism to it is foolish. I recommend Drews' book The End of the Bronze Age for coverage of that period. He also debunks a number of other theories for the destruction of civilization at that time. None of the city burners ever settled near the cities they destroyed. The written evidence showed normal economic times (no famines, no bands of people driven from their homelands), and the cities were destroyed so fast that clay tablets were found in the special drying ovens used to prepare them for travel and unsharpened swords were found in the blacksmithing facilities. The wars utterly destroyed most of the civilizations in the Mediterranean and from that power vacuum the Greeks, Phonetians, Romans and Cartheginians were able to spring up. The Egyptians were so badly weakened that the Greeks were able to conquer them several centuries later. And finally, when folks can't understand how something happened, they invoke magical sky-daddies (aliens, or gods) to explain how things happened.
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Strudel Man posted:You mean the ones that we only know about today because of the written records that the builders left about them, and about how they built them? Those structures? I seem to recall that the tunnels snaking through the Pyramids were absolutely full of Egyptian hieroglyphics about who created them and why, as well as Egyptian mummies.
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HootTheOwl posted:You may not have been watching much past season one of "Cargo Cults: Why your ancestors were dumb." But after they get past the biggest megaliths, they start to really branch out into how it's every culture ever including the west. In one episode they explain how the Parthenon was really a spaceport (because: retaining walls), DaVinci was possessed by aliens (because Mad Magazine fold-ins of his works), and even Einstein was an alien because of his brain or something. Wow, no I stopped watching it ages ago after the out and out lies about things became too much. Its one thing to misinterpret something, its another thing to completely fabricate something else. But that's pretty hilarious. It shows how intellectually bankrupt these people are. At this point they might as well bring in David Ick onto the show. When I say racism is part of the theory, I mean in that paternalistic Eurocentric kind of Racism that was so commonplace in the 19th and early 20th century, that Europeans were better than everyone else, why else would they have conquered the world, and invented the best stuff. And i'm not excusively talking about Georgio's hair and lies hour, I'm talking about the stuff this is all founded on, Chairots of the Gods and other "classic" works of Ancient Alien Theories. Its interesting because there was a guy who used to show up on these kinds of shows in the 90s whos big thing was that ancient peoples were much smarter than we thought, and had his "we thing we are so smart with our striped toothpaste and hydrogen bombs" catchphrase he loved to whip out. He meant it in more of a "ancient peoples had access to magical technologies that we don't know about", but there was no aliens. He was part of the group of people who were going "Wait, the Sphinx has water wear marks on it...". Speaking of the Soviet Union, there's a great theory that Yuri Gugarian was not the first man in space, just the first man in space to come back alive. Two Italian Brothers built a radio reciver themselves near their home town to listen in on the space race. Its very cool because they had access to the raw transmissions between ground control and the various major toms going up. The thing is, they believe they captured Russians going up and not coming back. Things like radio transmissions full of please for help, or even one that sounds like the last gasps of a dieing man. Its very cool, and kinda creepy (The idea of flying away from earth into space for eternity in a 60s era space capsule is pretty terrifying), but the Russians obviously deny everything. Considering how insane with secrets the USSR was, and how we know that training cosmonauts died and they were removed from offical records and photos. A popular conspiracy theory in Eastern Europe is the Phantom Time Hypothesis. Not as in missing time, were you lose a few days and not realize what happened (often blamed on aliens but more likely the result of booze) but that most of history didn't happen. That all the artifacts that point to the renaissance and enlightenment and such were created by the Jesuits. Why? Because the Jesuits are EVIL and reasons. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jan 13, 2014 |
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twistedmentat posted:Speaking of the Soviet Union, there's a great theory that Yuri Gugarian was not the first man in space, just the first man in space to come back alive. Two Italian Brothers built a radio reciver themselves near their home town to listen in on the space race. Its very cool because they had access to the raw transmissions between ground control and the various major toms going up. The thing is, they believe they captured Russians going up and not coming back. Things like radio transmissions full of please for help, or even one that sounds like the last gasps of a dieing man. Its very cool, and kinda creepy (The idea of flying away from earth into space for eternity in a 60s era space capsule is pretty terrifying), but the Russians obviously deny everything. Considering how insane with secrets the USSR was, and how we know that training cosmonauts died and they were removed from offical records and photos. This is only because of the wicked secretive Soviet state apparatus. The Soviets were pretty up front about deaths during flight. Every Cosmonaut fatality was given a state funeral, so no cover up there. Space is pretty dangerous, and even landing a corpse in 1961 would have been prestigous. Unless these lost Cosmonauts disappeared entirely from state records, which is pretty implausible. Even if there were a death and subsequent cover up there would be many people in a position to disprove the state story whom the state couldn't do anything about. About the closest I can think of is Komarov, who was the first human to die during spaceflight. He flew Soyuz 1, which was launched prematurely and thus not tested properly as part of the frantic Soviet effort to remain in the space race. After his death, caused by mechanical failure of the spacecraft, the other Cosmonauts including Komarov's ride or die buddy Gagarin were pretty openly criticial of Soviet haste. Really, the US would have had the exact same motivations and goals to cover up deaths but I've never heard a Lost Astronaut theory. There's something about state secrets and people imagining all kinds of crazy things going on behind that wall of disinformation. It's like real crazy things like MKULTRA lead to fake crazy things like the CIA invented AIDS. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jan 13, 2014 |
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duck monster posted:It just attributes more power and sinister agency to the banks then there really is. Sure the banks made a loving cock of things in the crash. People SHOULD be angry about that. But it wasn't an inner chamber of secret lizardmen bankers plotting in advance to crash the economy to enact some weird ancient plan to enslave the people under Ra the sun god. Is that seriously what some of the stuff you've been seeing has said? I want to assume you're being hyperbolic, but I've studied conspiracy theorists (even patted a except from a draft of my research earlier in the thread), so I'm at the point where I'll take someone saying they believe in X crazy thing on face value. But I agree with you, it's hard explaining to someone the mechanism in which capitalism works with it making it sounds like a crazy conspiracy sometimes, and I think some people latch on to that instead of the mechanism that move our society.
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KomradeX posted:Is that seriously what some of the stuff you've been seeing has said? I want to assume you're being hyperbolic, but I've studied conspiracy theorists (even patted a except from a draft of my research earlier in the thread), so I'm at the point where I'll take someone saying they believe in X crazy thing on face value. But I agree with you, it's hard explaining to someone the mechanism in which capitalism works with it making it sounds like a crazy conspiracy sometimes, and I think some people latch on to that instead of the mechanism that move our society. I'm not making it up. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142647 Some of these people are truly off their rockers. There was a great crazy-person film that folks in LF did a simulwatch of that had all this madness in it leading from the egyptians all the way to the banking crisis as one big long running conspiracy.
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duck monster posted:I'm not making it up. On course it would be everybody's favorite mad man David Icke. As for the missing cosmonaut I think Cracked (I know, I know) had an article a few years back supporting it. KomradeX fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jan 14, 2014 |
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What's David Icke's deal, anyway? I know he had some kind of mental health episode way back when, culminating on his appearance on Wogan, but a lot of his stuff seems to be a really opportunistic and cynical re-packaging of Lyndon LaRouche in order to make it more palatable to hippies and college kids.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:This is only because of the wicked secretive Soviet state apparatus. The Soviets were pretty up front about deaths during flight. Every Cosmonaut fatality was given a state funeral, so no cover up there. Space is pretty dangerous, and even landing a corpse in 1961 would have been prestigous. Unless these lost Cosmonauts disappeared entirely from state records, which is pretty implausible. Even if there were a death and subsequent cover up there would be many people in a position to disprove the state story whom the state couldn't do anything about. Yea, its something that could have happened, but does that mean it did? Nope. And any vanishing cosmonauts from records/photos could have been removed for more...ideological reasons. This was fairly common in the soviet union, but more during Stalin's era. A lot of people have suggested that David Ick is actually using Lizards to mean Jews, but I honestly think he believes that there really are Lizards from space running the world. Though a lot of the other Banking conspiracies are just retreads of old Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Which is sad because the book has been proved to be a fake so many times over, and its not even origonal, its completely plagiarized from earlier works, but its ideas are repeated over and over in new forms constantly.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea, its something that could have happened, but does that mean it did? Nope. And any vanishing cosmonauts from records/photos could have been removed for more...ideological reasons. This was fairly common in the soviet union, but more during Stalin's era. Yes but these are documented people who we know existed being removed from photos, which we know because there are often also copies of the unedited versions. Lost Cosmonauts would have to be removed from all of recorded history, which is a bit beyond the overwhelming reality editing powers of the Soviet state.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Yes but these are documented people who we know existed being removed from photos, which we know because there are often also copies of the unedited versions. Lost Cosmonauts would have to be removed from all of recorded history, which is a bit beyond the overwhelming reality editing powers of the Soviet state. Or so they'd have us believe! But you are right, there would be evidence of the lost cosmonauts in other documents if they existed. Hell, we know of Pharoahs that later rulers tried to erase because they couldn't carve out their names from all of the walls and monuments.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:This is only because of the wicked secretive Soviet state apparatus. The Soviets were pretty up front about deaths during flight. Every Cosmonaut fatality was given a state funeral, so no cover up there. Space is pretty dangerous, and even landing a corpse in 1961 would have been prestigous. Unless these lost Cosmonauts disappeared entirely from state records, which is pretty implausible. Even if there were a death and subsequent cover up there would be many people in a position to disprove the state story whom the state couldn't do anything about. It's not a Cosmonaut, but the Nedelin catastrophe was covered up. In 1960 a rushed rocket test went bad and incinerated some military commander (Nedelin) along with a bunch of officers and engineers. The whole thing was hushed up, and the official story was that Nedelin died in a plane crash. Although word leaked out within the decade, it wasn't officially acknowledged until 1989.
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Republican Vampire posted:What's David Icke's deal, anyway? I know he had some kind of mental health episode way back when, culminating on his appearance on Wogan, but a lot of his stuff seems to be a really opportunistic and cynical re-packaging of Lyndon LaRouche in order to make it more palatable to hippies and college kids. Im not sure even Larouche has claimed the world is secretly run by giant bipedal space dinosaurs. David Icke is next level bonkers.
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twistedmentat posted:A lot of people have suggested that David Ick is actually using Lizards to mean Jews, but I honestly think he believes that there really are Lizards from space running the world. Though a lot of the other Banking conspiracies are just retreads of old Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Which is sad because the book has been proved to be a fake so many times over, and its not even origonal, its completely plagiarized from earlier works, but its ideas are repeated over and over in new forms constantly. Edit: Can anyone explain what LaRouche's deal is? It's so batshit. It looks like a totalitarian cult that combines elements from all over the political spectrum: quote:By the mid-1970's, after Mr. LaRouche, a former member of the Socialist Workers Party, and a band of followers had broken away from the Students for a Democratic Society at Columbia University, he was elaborating a conspiracy theory that stretched back to the beginnings of civilization. In the world according to LaRouche, history is a war between the Platonists (the good guys) and the evil Aristotelians. Anyone who has taken Philosophy 101 can follow the drift: Platonists believe in standards, an absolute truth that can be divined by philosopher kings like Mr. LaRouche. To the Aristotelians everything is relative. Mr. LaRouche is a kind of Allan Bloom gone mad. True Platonists, he says, believe that industrialization, technology and classical music should be used to bring wealth and enlightenment to the citizens of the world. The Aristotelians are trying to stop them by using not only sex, drugs and rock-and-roll but also environmentalism and quantum theory. With their bag of brainwashing techniques, they hope to trick civilization into destroying itself, bringing on a ''new dark ages'' in which the world's riches will be firmly in the hands of the oligarchs. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Jan 14, 2014 |
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Omi-Polari posted:The best I've managed to do with Icke is that he believes in a global Jewish conspiracy that also happens to be controlled by space lizards. This leads to confusion because people say "do you mean Jews are lizards?" and he goes: "No I don't mean that, you see, the Rothschild Zionists are the pawns of the Annunaki." (His term for the lizards.) But it's still straight-up Protocols conspiratism in his books, yeah. There's just an overlapping conspiracy on top of the conspiracy ... I think. I would have to say if you understood it you'd have to be insane. Lovecraft character insane. There was a guy I knew who started posting tons of Alex Jones's Protocols 2013 on FB, and I called him out on it, and he said "No you just see it just happens to be Jews that are doing the evil things, its not that jews are evil, btw did you know that no jews were killed in 9/11?".
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Well I've spent way too much time reading LaRouche stuff tonight. The best I can make of it is that it's hardline state capitalism merged with far right conspiracy theories and technocratic elitism, and written in a Stalinist style. Like massive, totally unreadable and convoluted sentences. Here's LaRouche: quote:It is the general, essentially Zeusian tradition, which has cheated so many of the generations of mankind heretofore, as by the reign of essentially Zeusian principles of imperialism and its monetarist roots, which have cheated the greatest masses in Europe and beyond Europe, during all presently known cultures up through these present times. The contrary choice of ruling devotions were now urgently required, lest we soon a destroyed species, a destruction inherent in what is fairly identified as the so-called “Oligarchical principle.” BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jan 14, 2014 |
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Omi-Polari posted:Well I've spent way too much time reading LaRouche stuff tonight. The best I can make of it is that it's hardline state capitalism merged with far right conspiracy theories and technocratic elitism, and written in a Stalinist style. Like massive, totally unreadable and convoluted sentences. Zeusian refers to...the Greek Zeus, right? Is this an actual word or is this something this LaRouche guy invented? I may be mistaken, but didn't Zeus largely concern himself with chasing virgins and getting in trouble with his wife? I don't recall Zeus being really an imperialistic God--wasn't that Ares' job, or even Athena?
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I don't know if anyone saw this: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/01/13/patriot-conspiracy-theorist-jack-mclamb-dies/
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With regards to conspiracy theorists like David Icke and Alex Jones, etc. etc., do we know if any of them are just in it for the money, or if they really believe in all of this stuff?
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Jan 14, 2014 08:33
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