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Vengeance of Pandas posted:Really? I'd say outside of his work Odo was riddled with insecurities and confidence issues, he was just too ashamed and stubborn about admitting them. Odo's faults are him discovering who he is and what he wants. So he's the superior "different" character. Though he's still an OCD goony goon.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Odo's faults are him discovering who he is and what he wants. So he's the superior "different" character. Though he's still an OCD goony goon. And one with the power to bug and/or sneak into (as a chair) anybody's quarters, businesses, and ships at will with no oversight apparently.
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Jan 13, 2014 16:58
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Tyson Tomko posted:
DATA: Counselor, I was hoping I might engage in discourse with you about a matter I find curious. TROI: Certainly, Data. What seems to be the trouble? DATA: What defining factors does a male human look for in a mate? TROI: Well, it depends, Data. Personality, shared interests, confidence, intelligence, humour... DATA: Hm. TROI: What is it? DATA: That does not correspond to my observations. TROI: Your observations being...? DATA: There is a positive statistical relationship between mammary size and male sexual interest. TROI: Well, I wouldn't say that's-- DATA: Forgive me if I seem inordinately incredulous, but the correlation coefficient approaches 0.99999-- TROI: Okay, Data. Thank you, I don't need a lesson. DATA: So are my observations... incorrect, counselor? TROI: No, Data. DATA: In that case- TROI: Good-bye, Data.
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Brawny posted:DATA: Counselor, I was hoping I might engage in discourse with you about a matter I find curious. Fixed your user name for you
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Jan 13, 2014 17:28
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Mr Wind Up Bird posted:Why does the Enterprise stop using the piloting panels that rotate out of the way with the little "psssh" noise? I mean, it's distracting and stupid but when has that ever been a reason to not use something in Star Trek. Cynical answer: because TNG increasingly strove to be as bland and inoffensive as possible. Real answer: my guess is they tended to break or otherwise gently caress up shots in a way that took up time, and the producers decided "gently caress it, make 'em solid". I also liked the pop-up touchpads on the first season captain's chair. Supposedly the chair was replaced because the upholstery was noisy or something.
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Jan 13, 2014 18:26
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Hard Clumping posted:During my week on painkillers I watched the TNG Season 1 episode "The Big Goodbye," for the first time in maybe ten years, and that last scene was just so god drat bizarre. I have to imagine Gene, Rick, and D.C. being hopped up on something, spending four hours laughing at the idea of Picard wearing a suit on the bridge saying gibberish, and wrote an entire episode to support that one scene. It was incredible. That's all they had to do. They just kinda left after that. Gene was abusing pills and liquor pretty heavily by the time they were writing TNG season 1. That said, it probably wasn't a mutual smoke session, since he was abusing the staff pretty heavily too. 
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Jan 13, 2014 18:33
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Gene was abusing pills and liquor pretty heavily by the time they were writing TNG season 1. Gene was abusing pills and liquor (and cocaine) pretty heavily by the mid-'70s.
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Jan 13, 2014 18:50
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Timby posted:Gene was abusing pills and liquor (and cocaine) pretty heavily by the mid-'70s. That how we got TAS?
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Jan 13, 2014 19:02
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Let's not forget the state of television evolves over time. Sure, DS9 and TNG may have shared some time on tv, but TNG started in 1987, and DS9 didn't really get that good until TNG was off the air. DS9 was excellent, but the winds of change were already in the air, so to speak.
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Jan 13, 2014 19:21
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Indeed, I think that comparing DS9 to TNG isn't the way to go. You need to look at DS9 vs Babylon 5. The shows were on at the same time, had similar premises, and shared a number of actors and directors. The creators on both shows were clearly aware of the other, and I can't help but feel that developments in one show affected the other.
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Jan 13, 2014 19:27
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jng2058 posted:Indeed, I think that comparing DS9 to TNG isn't the way to go. You need to look at DS9 vs Babylon 5. The shows were on at the same time, had similar premises, and shared a number of actors and directors. The creators on both shows were clearly aware of the other, and I can't help but feel that developments in one show affected the other. The rumor is that people at the network were given the B5 bible, as they were interested in it, but turned them down in favor of DS9. Those in charge of B5 claimed the network stole many of their ideas in creating DS9. I don't care much for rumors though and, in my mind, DS9 is supreme above all science-fiction television
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Jan 13, 2014 19:34
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DrNutt posted:Let's not forget the state of television evolves over time. Sure, DS9 and TNG may have shared some time on tv, but TNG started in 1987, and DS9 didn't really get that good until TNG was off the air. DS9 was excellent, but the winds of change were already in the air, so to speak. It's really interesting to see how a lot of these shows had overlapping air times and you can clearly see Trek's quality just stopping in its tracks from the end of DS9 to mid-Enterprise despite the growing trends. TNG runs 87-94 DS9 runs 93-99 Babylon 5 runs 94-98 Farscape runs 99-2003 VOY runs 95-2001 ENT runs 01-05 BSG runs 04-09 There's certainly something to be said on TNG revitalizing syndicated scifi television and B5 and DS9 really pushing towards the more serialized future. But VOY and ENT didn't pick up anything from DS9. By the time ENT was finishing up its run, BSG was getting higher ratings despite being on SciFi and ENT being on (a now defunct) broastcast network.
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There's a number of co-incidences between the shows, true, but I think it's just convergant ideas rather than blatant theft. Like, Sisko is right away established as part of the Bajoran faith whereas Sinclair does not turn out to be Minbari Jesus for a while. (Sure, Kosh calls him Entil'za Valen in the pilot movie, but ehhhh  )
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Jan 13, 2014 19:40
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Both on a space station, both gain some kind of super-war ship in S3, both lack enough Walter Koenig airtime...
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MrL_JaKiri posted:both lack enough Walter Koenig airtime... Preach it
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Also, to TNG's credit, they really did do some interesting and better things with the characters from Season 3 onward, even if the characters themselves remained rather static. Like Tapestry, or Lower Decks. God drat great episodes, those.
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Thwomp posted:
What happened dad? *stern face* September the 11th.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA
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I watched a Voyager again today. In this one, the crew discovers that they are actually clones of the Voyager crew, and that their new warp core is slowly killing them, but the process is irreversible. So they go through weeks or horror and torture as their friends die one by one until Harry Kim is the only one left, and then he tries one last ditch effort to get help from the real Voyager crew. They finally receive the distress call and go to its location, only to find nothing but clone goo left. I liked it.
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Jan 14, 2014 00:09
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Of course, Inquisition opens with O'Brien dislocating his shoulder and everyone rolling their eyes and saying "again?" because this is how every episode should have opened.
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Jan 14, 2014 00:09
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Bicyclops posted:Of course, Inquisition opens with O'Brien dislocating his shoulder and everyone rolling their eyes and saying "again?" because this is how every episode should have opened. The person who makes those "O'Brien never gets to leave the transporter room" comics should do a strip where he dislocates his shoulder for no good reason and can't leave the transporter room to go get it healed.
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Jan 14, 2014 00:15
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Cobalt Chloride posted:I watched a Voyager again today. In this one, the crew discovers that they are actually clones of the Voyager crew, and that their new warp core is slowly killing them, but the process is irreversible. So they go through weeks or horror and torture as their friends die one by one until Harry Kim is the only one left, and then he tries one last ditch effort to get help from the real Voyager crew. They finally receive the distress call and go to its location, only to find nothing but clone goo left. Wow. That does sound good.
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Tony Montana posted:Wow. That does sound good. The best part is that Clone Janeway basically killed them by refusing to go back to their planet of origin because they needed to get to Earth 
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Cobalt Chloride posted:I watched a Voyager again today. In this one, the crew discovers that they are actually clones of the Voyager crew, and that their new warp core is slowly killing them, but the process is irreversible. So they go through weeks or horror and torture as their friends die one by one until Harry Kim is the only one left, and then he tries one last ditch effort to get help from the real Voyager crew. They finally receive the distress call and go to its location, only to find nothing but clone goo left.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The most pointless VOY episode http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/11:59_%28episode%29
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Jan 14, 2014 02:42
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For anyone too lazy to click, it's the one where Janeway spends 40 minutes talking about how her ancestor did some awesome thing. At the end, Paris says "That literally never happened."
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Cojawfee posted:For anyone too lazy to click, it's the one where Janeway spends 40 minutes talking about how her ancestor did some awesome thing. At the end, Paris says "That literally never happened." Worse than that, the episode tells us that it doesn't matter if something never happened, as long as it makes us feel great. gently caress Voyager. Just gently caress it. 11:59 is the true worst of Voyager. At least Threshold had some genuinely impressive make-up work for the Tom Paris turns into a newt body-horror aspect going for it. What's 11:59's excuse?
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Seven of Nine understands religion now, because she found a magical God particle in space. Whatever, Voyager. It doesn't help that the next Star Trek to air after that episode (which I'm watching now) was In the Pale Moonlight. It's like "Just as a reminder, this is the show to which you should compare Voyager. Why are you watching it again?" edit: also, wow, that was probably in my top 10 favorite episodes of the entire franchise 
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Jan 14, 2014 03:10
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Oh hey, Dr. Phlox is in this serious version of Chuck starring the snarky southern guy from Lost. I hope he's less of a weirdo pervert here than in TrueBlood.
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Cobalt Chloride posted:I watched a Voyager again today. In this one, the crew discovers that they are actually clones of the Voyager crew, and that their new warp core is slowly killing them, but the process is irreversible. So they go through weeks or horror and torture as their friends die one by one until Harry Kim is the only one left, and then he tries one last ditch effort to get help from the real Voyager crew. They finally receive the distress call and go to its location, only to find nothing but clone goo left. That Voyager episode I had literally completely forgotten about, and now all I can remember is being especially angry and how boring and pointless it all was. Same for the episode where Janeway teaches hologram Leonardo da Vinci important life lessons and self-confidence. He's a hologram Janeway, you know he's a hologram, and he's not even a special magic self-aware hologram like Moriarty, what the hell are you doing?
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Cobalt Chloride posted:I watched a Voyager again today. In this one, the crew discovers that they are actually clones of the Voyager crew, and that their new warp core is slowly killing them, but the process is irreversible. So they go through weeks or horror and torture as their friends die one by one until Harry Kim is the only one left, and then he tries one last ditch effort to get help from the real Voyager crew. They finally receive the distress call and go to its location, only to find nothing but clone goo left. Eh, from how you're talking you missed the prequel episode, S4E24, "Demon." They're not exactly clones, they're duplicates formed out of this bio-mimetic fluid they found on some super nasty planet. At the end of the episode you see a bunch of Voyager crew standing around while Voyager itself takes off and leaves. I'm still wondering how much fluid you needed to copy an entire starship! What's even worse is that they could have survived if they just went down to the planet and gave the miners the finger.
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Jan 14, 2014 05:21
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What's this about the Emmy-Award-Winning episode Threshold? The Voyager episode so great it won an Emmy over DS9's "The Visitor."
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Instant Sunrise posted:What's this about the Emmy-Award-Winning episode Threshold? The Voyager episode so great it won an Emmy over DS9's "The Visitor." For make-up.
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Watching "In Theory," in which the emotionless android asks the autistic virgin for advice on bedding a subordinate officer. startrek.txt
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Knormal posted:That Voyager episode I had literally completely forgotten about, and now all I can remember is being especially angry and how boring and pointless it all was. Same for the episode where Janeway teaches hologram Leonardo da Vinci important life lessons and self-confidence. He's a hologram Janeway, you know he's a hologram, and he's not even a special magic self-aware hologram like Moriarty, what the hell are you doing? Another interesting what-if plot for an actually interesting Voyager series: the crew, in an attempt to maintain their sanity and stave off space madness, latch onto the holodeck as an escape. Some are alright but others, like Janeway, become so attached to their holodeck fantasies/companions that they become dependent on it to remain functional on the ship. Riots break out once the holodeck finally breaks down (this is in a series where ship systems are gradually breaking down and systems get prioritized by need). 
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It was always kind of neat in the first season when they had to fish out resources, their stuff was running low, power etc. The whole reason Neelix had his kitchen was to limit replicator use. After that, power just never became an issue.
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Knormal posted:
Maybe she was really teaching lessons.... to herself. Nah, they just wanted to use John Rhys-Davies an as usual, the writers did it the laziest way possible, through the Holodeck. Then broke the Holodeck rules and had him get kidnapped by aliens.
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So does 'Wolf in the Fold' place Trek and Twin Peaks in the same universe? I would love to see this revisited in NuTrek.
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Bicyclops posted:Mah, they just wanted to use John Rhys-Davies an as usual, the writers did it the laziest way possible, through the Holodeck. Then broke the Holodeck rules and had him get kidnapped by aliens. To be fair "Leonardo da Vinci gets kidnapped by aliens" doesn't sound like an implausible holodeck scenario. Kind of like all the with-zombies or with-vampires schlock that gets published now.
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