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fritz: Jul 26, 2003

terrible programmer here, can't keep straight git/repo/gerrit/??? integration. what gets pushed where and how? no freaking clue. does everything go in one commit? which do I branch first? what's a branch name and what's a magic git string?

# ? Jan 14, 2014 17:57

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# ? May 13, 2024 03:06

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Arboc posted:

if you're using their browser, they'll talk to it using SPDY instead of http

a custom server written in a custom language, to serve files from a custom filesystem over a custom protocol. google is the most nih place in the universe

# ? Jan 14, 2014 18:14

Greed is eternal: Jun 8, 2008

fritz posted:

terrible programmer here, can't keep straight git/repo/gerrit/??? integration. what gets pushed where and how? no freaking clue. does everything go in one commit? which do I branch first? what's a branch name and what's a magic git string?

Couldn't really parse that. The golden rule when to branch and when to just commit is: if you can come up with a good branch name, you should branch.

# ? Jan 14, 2014 18:19

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

git clone trooper posted:

the public/private debate is like people who are worried about polluting global in javascript

yeah it can technically be a problem but come on

there's no reason to care about public/private on a project that wont need to be utilized by programmers unfamiliar with its code, which is everything i will ever work on because i'm a bad programmer who will never write something other people want to use.

however i still worry about it just for the purpose of making myself slightly less terrible.

# ? Jan 14, 2014 18:19

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

Greed is eternal posted:

Couldn't really parse that. The golden rule when to branch and when to just commit is: if you can come up with a good branch name, you should branch.

theres some android tool called repo and a code review thing called gerrit. repo overlays git. there are repo branches and git branches and they each have their own ways of switching between them and pushing to gerrit and/or the git central repo.

# ? Jan 14, 2014 18:26

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

fritz posted:

theres some android tool called repo and a code review thing called gerrit. repo overlays git. there are repo branches and git branches and they each have their own ways of switching between them and pushing to gerrit and/or the git central repo.

that doesnt sound confusing at all

# ? Jan 14, 2014 18:28

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:

there's no reason to care about public/private on a project that wont need to be utilized by programmers unfamiliar with its code, which is everything i will ever work on because i'm a bad programmer who will never write something other people want to use.

however i still worry about it just for the purpose of making myself slightly less terrible.

if u just wanna spooge out code to git r done then go hog wild on public fields imo. but then the change requests come in

# ? Jan 14, 2014 18:29

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

fritz posted:

theres some android tool called repo and a code review thing called gerrit. repo overlays git. there are repo branches and git branches and they each have their own ways of switching between them and pushing to gerrit and/or the git central repo.

just use git you don't need some extra sperg on top. git is enough sperg

# ? Jan 14, 2014 18:30

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

Nomnom Cookie posted:

just use git you don't need some extra sperg on top. git is enough sperg

agree but: not my choice at all.

# ? Jan 14, 2014 18:35

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

so other than public and private, does anyone use protected or normal?

I was tutoring yesterday, teaching the no-modifier scope and realized i have no opinion on this other than use the smallest scope possible. The student asked why and I had no answer.

Also python __myPrivates

# ? Jan 14, 2014 21:03

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

protected is for when something needs to be accessible by subclasses, u dork

# ? Jan 14, 2014 21:22

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

was just wondering because people are only talking about private and public

# ? Jan 14, 2014 21:36

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

protected is kinda dumb because subclassing is kinda dumb

package private sucks cause you see some method you wanna call and you're like YEAH THAT'S WHAT I NEED but you can't call it because its package private and ur like nnnnnggghh i hate you guy who made this method package private. but its ok for methods that are like "ya this should be private but i really really want to call it from my unit test" so you make it package private instead

# ? Jan 14, 2014 21:36

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

420 mutilate ur code for testing purposes erryday

# ? Jan 14, 2014 21:37

ConanTheLibrarian: Aug 13, 2004; dis buch is late; Fallen Rib

Nomnom Cookie posted:

"ya this should be private but i really really want to call it from my unit test"

that's what reflection is for!! Well that and padding your LOC count

# ? Jan 14, 2014 22:00

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

ConanTheLibrarian posted:

that's what reflection is for!! Well that and padding your LOC count

just package private it

# ? Jan 14, 2014 23:31

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

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Nomnom Cookie posted:

protected is kinda dumb because subclassing is kinda dumb

package private sucks cause you see some method you wanna call and you're like YEAH THAT'S WHAT I NEED but you can't call it because its package private and ur like nnnnnggghh i hate you guy who made this method package private. but its ok for methods that are like "ya this should be private but i really really want to call it from my unit test" so you make it package private instead

ive had a different problem recently with package private: there's a lot of stuff that i feel i should mark package private because it isn't part of the package's interface, but i mark it public because my unit tests are in a different package.

(and my unit tests are in a different package because autofixture needs a later version of mono than unity3d will compile

)

fortunately this is a personal project so who the hell cares~

# ? Jan 14, 2014 23:47

Morkai: May 2, 2004; aaag babbys

coffeetable posted:

ive had a different problem recently with package private: there's a lot of stuff that i feel i should mark package private because it isn't part of the package's interface, but i mark it public because my unit tests are in a different package.

(and my unit tests are in a different package because autofixture needs a later version of mono than unity3d will compile )

fortunately this is a personal project so who the hell cares~

friend assemblies or private accessors?

# ? Jan 15, 2014 00:17

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

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Morkai posted:

friend assemblies

WELP.

glad this is the terrible programmer thread

# ? Jan 15, 2014 00:20

Morkai: May 2, 2004; aaag babbys

coffeetable posted:

WELP.

glad this is the terrible programmer thread

yw.

# ? Jan 15, 2014 03:18

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Morkai posted:

friend assemblies or private accessors?

what in the blue hell is a friend assembly. it sounds like a terrible idea

# ? Jan 15, 2014 03:44

Morkai: May 2, 2004; aaag babbys

Nomnom Cookie posted:

what in the blue hell is a friend assembly. it sounds like a terrible idea

it is more or less what it sounds like.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/0tke9fxk.aspx

probably a bad idea, yeah, but it seems to be effective.

Morkai fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Jan 15, 2014

# ? Jan 15, 2014 06:28

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Shaggar posted:

always triple your estimates is project management 201

# ? Jan 15, 2014 06:39

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

MeruFM posted:

so other than public and private, does anyone use protected or normal?

I was tutoring yesterday, teaching the no-modifier scope and realized i have no opinion on this other than use the smallest scope possible. The student asked why and I had no answer.

Also python __myPrivates

unmodified scope is great when you want something promiscuous in your package but unmolested beyond

so yeah i guess its pretty limited but w/e

i used it once i dont remember what for

# ? Jan 15, 2014 06:42

Morkai: May 2, 2004; aaag babbys

Bloody posted:

promiscuous in your package but unmolested

i used it once i dont remember what for

incredible

# ? Jan 15, 2014 06:45

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

Nomnom Cookie posted:

package private is ok for methods that are like "ya this should be private but i really really want to call it from my unit test" so you make it package private instead

qft

# ? Jan 15, 2014 13:36

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

Bloody posted:

something promiscuous in your package but unmolested beyond

i guess its pretty limited but w/e

i used it once i dont remember what for

hehe

# ? Jan 15, 2014 13:38

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

so dumb c question: i currently have

code:

solution* current_best = (solution*)malloc(sizeof(solution));
current_best->foo = 0;
current_best->bar = 0;
current_best->baz_ptr = NULL;

can i replace this with something like

code:

solution* current_best = (solution*)malloc(sizeof(solution));
*current_best = {0,0,NULL};

?? i don't really understand how strut literals work or where they're allocated or whatever

gonadic io fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jan 15, 2014

# ? Jan 15, 2014 16:45

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

calloc

# ? Jan 15, 2014 16:49

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

ok but what about for the case where they're not all 0?

e: and also, does the pointer have the same size as the ints? or is {0,0,NULL} the same as 00000000000 or whatever in memory i.e. the size i give calloc is that of the whole struct?

gonadic io fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jan 15, 2014

# ? Jan 15, 2014 16:51

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

Nomnom Cookie posted:

what in the blue hell is a friend assembly. it sounds like a terrible idea

its the compilation unit where you put the nice functions

# ? Jan 15, 2014 17:12

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

AlsoD posted:

ok but what about for the case where they're not all 0?

e: and also, does the pointer have the same size as the ints? or is {0,0,NULL} the same as 00000000000 or whatever in memory i.e. the size i give calloc is that of the whole struct?

use a macro. macros are cool & fun

# ? Jan 15, 2014 17:19

Pie Colony: Dec 8, 2006; I AM SUCH A FUCKUP THAT I CAN'T EVEN POST IN AN E/N THREAD I STARTED

AlsoD posted:

ok but what about for the case where they're not all 0?

e: and also, does the pointer have the same size as the ints? or is {0,0,NULL} the same as 00000000000 or whatever in memory i.e. the size i give calloc is that of the whole struct?

pointers are not always the same size as an integer. also, null is not always represented by a 0 in memory.

calloc is for arrays, not structs.

you can do something like this:

code:

solution* current_best = malloc(sizeof(solution));
*current_best = (solution){0,0,NULL};

oh yea dont cast malloc either

# ? Jan 15, 2014 18:07

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

AlsoD posted:

so dumb c question: i currently have
code:
solution* current_best = (solution*)malloc(sizeof(solution));
current_best->foo = 0;
current_best->bar = 0;
current_best->baz_ptr = NULL;
can i replace this with something like
code:
solution* current_best = (solution*)malloc(sizeof(solution));
*current_best = {0,0,NULL};
?? i don't really understand how strut literals work or where they're allocated or whatever

Basic rule of thumb is you don't need to give a poo poo about where things are allocated in C unless you call malloc. Temporaries are in general not actually allocated.

# ? Jan 15, 2014 18:07

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Pie Colony posted:

pointers are not always the same size as an integer. also, null is not always represented by a 0 in memory.

calloc is for arrays, not structs.

you can do something like this:
code:
solution* current_best = malloc(sizeof(solution));
*current_best = (solution){0,0,NULL};
oh yea dont cast malloc either

whats the difference between calloc'ing 1 element and malloc + memset

# ? Jan 15, 2014 18:26

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

AlsoD posted:

so dumb c question: i currently have
code:
solution* current_best = (solution*)malloc(sizeof(solution));
current_best->foo = 0;
current_best->bar = 0;
current_best->baz_ptr = NULL;
can i replace this with something like
code:
solution* current_best = (solution*)malloc(sizeof(solution));
*current_best = {0,0,NULL};
?? i don't really understand how strut literals work or where they're allocated or whatever

code:


struct boner b = {.length = 0,.girth = 0,.lastUsedBy = NULL}

struct boner *ptr = malloc(sizeof(struct boner))
*ptr = b

# ? Jan 15, 2014 18:42

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

is it wrong to get irritated when an ide highlights a variable to let me know it's unused even though i just typed the stupid thing out and i'm going to use it in a second? it's not really an error yet, dammit :argh:

# ? Jan 15, 2014 18:43

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

Nomnom Cookie posted:

whats the difference between calloc'ing 1 element and malloc + memset

calloc will sometimes allocate from a CoW'd page of all zeros so it's maybe faster

# ? Jan 15, 2014 18:43

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

prefect posted:

is it wrong to get irritated when an ide highlights a variable to let me know it's unused even though i just typed the stupid thing out and i'm going to use it in a second? it's not really an error yet, dammit

this flares the autism

# ? Jan 15, 2014 18:44

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prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Bloody posted:

this flares the autism

that's what i was afraid of :saddowns:

# ? Jan 15, 2014 18:44

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