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I'm pretty sure that David Carr and Joey Harrington weren't though of the way they are today when they were coming out of college. You have the benefit of hindsight right now with them
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Harrington was a highly accurate QB with a ton of intangibles. Carr was also a highly mobile QB in the mold of Aaron Rodgers. I don't see any reason for either one of them to drop out of the first round at the time they were taken, although I barely followed the draft until 04.
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Dexo posted:So are we just collectively ignoring the year 2002. 2007 is worse
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Doltos posted:Counter counter counterpoint, EJ Manuel was actually quite good coming out and his game tape looked a hell of a lot better than Geno Smith's. The real surprise for me was how much Geno has forced the ball and thrown interceptions. Watching him in college he constantly played it safe and I just assumed he'd be incredibly unspectacular as a pro, rather than a complete flame-out. I just expected him to be loving mediocre.
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McCarron isn't like Manuel because McCarron has a reputation as a game manager and doesn't really have the tools to offset that. Showing that he has a big arm and can make tough throws in the senior bowl would be the quickest way to elevate his stock (unless he runs like a 4.5 40 and crushes the passing drills)
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I have McCarron's ceiling capped at 2nd round status with a chance to move up into the top 20 if a team is desperate. All those FBS darling QBs inevitably drop to the sixth round so McCarron's name should carry him alone.
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Dexo posted:So are we just collectively ignoring the year 2002. Carr has had a long career and even has an NFL record. That qualifies as success!
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Quest For Glory II posted:The real surprise for me was how much Geno has forced the ball and thrown interceptions. Watching him in college he constantly played it safe and I just assumed he'd be incredibly unspectacular as a pro, rather than a complete flame-out. I just expected him to be loving mediocre. Elotana fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jan 17, 2014 |
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Elotana posted:Geno was hardly ever called on to throw it deep, he doesn't have a great eye downfield even though his mechanics are fine. He has the potential to improve, I think the blame can be shared with the Jets playcalling which didn't seem suited to his strengths. This year that will be the knock on Carr and Boyd (although this year they dialed Boyd downfield more and he showed a great touch when he did, so I'm a lot less worried about that.) In college he threw deep a ton and displayed ok mechanics with a penchant for bouncing up and down before he threw. He was also tentative on the intermediate routes despite having a cannon, which makes me believe he has confidence issues as his main downside. Geno Smiths a pretty good QB, he just has a lot to put together and was a bigger project than advertised. It's probably why he fell to the second.
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counter counter counter points: Christian Ponder, Tim T-Bo, Jason Campbell McCarron has some reason to believe that he's a first round possibility.
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In college geno had poor accuracy mid and deep. I beat that drum consistently but I also said that Keenan Allen couldn't get separation in the nfl so I'm a doofus
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Dexo posted:So are we just collectively ignoring the year 2002. *ahem* let me remind you about 2007: - JaMarcus "I'm so overpaid we need a new CBA to stop this from happening again" Russel - Brady "Super Pro-System Ready" Quinn - Kevin "Someone's gonna waste a 2nd round pick on me" Kolb - John "I'm going to hold the Dolphins back three years" Beck - Drew "I will never be taken seriously" Stanton - Trent "blah" Edwards - Isaiah "I'm being drafted as a WR" Stanback - Jeff "I've never heard of me either" Rowe - Troy "I couldn't beat Kyle Boller for a starting job" Smith - Jordan "All the worst qualities of Carson" Palmer - Tyler "Laughingstock" Thigpen I'll take McCown or Gerrard over that batch all day long, every day E: Also Manuel was underrated and the best QB in the draft. It was a smart pick by the Bills.
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TheChirurgeon posted:E: Also Manuel was underrated and the best QB in the draft. It was a smart pick by the Bills. I can't remember why everyone was so down on him.
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Declan MacManus posted:I can't remember why everyone was so down on him. Mind boggling losses to NCSU, and looking awful against the top tier ACC defenses. That's my bet.
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FSU literally got better without Manuel at the helm. Hot drat, just looked it up -- I didn't realize FSU had 11 players drafted last year. That makes their year so much more impressive.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Mind boggling losses to NCSU, and looking awful against the top tier ACC defenses. That's my bet. Pretty much. He had all the tools to rip apart the ACC but didn't do much with them.
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I thought he had big upside and was a pretty charismatic dude but I wasn't expecting him to be the first taken. Then again there was a point when people kept mocking Nassib as a top 10 pick simply because Same Coach Same QB
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Doltos posted:In college he threw deep a ton http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/2/28/4036850/adjusted-completion-percentages-collin-klein-matt-barkley 33% of his passes were behind the line of scrimmage at WVU, less than 15% went beyond 14 yards. He sticks out like a sore thumb on that chart because Holgo is not about the deep ball as much as getting guys in space. Elotana fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jan 17, 2014 |
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Dexo posted:Counterpoint EJ Manuel. Funnily enough, EJ Manuel had a really great Senior Bowl performance.
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Doltos posted:Harrington was a highly accurate QB with a ton of intangibles. Carr was also a highly mobile QB in the mold of Aaron Rodgers. I don't see any reason for either one of them to drop out of the first round at the time they were taken, although I barely followed the draft until 04. The Harrington Skills Drill gif is the greatest artistic accomplishment of our time.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:The Harrington Skills Drill gif is the greatest artistic accomplishment of our time. Harrington_not_exploding_shack_with_football.gif is pretty good too
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That would be Jake Delhomme, sir But of course, Delhomme's best gif is always the one where he throws his arms in frustration with a look of agony on his face
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Zypher posted:FSU literally got better without Manuel at the helm. Yeah, they replaced him with a Heisman trophy winner.
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TheChirurgeon posted:*ahem* let me remind you about 2007: Matt Millen, ladies and gentlemen.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:The Harrington Skills Drill gif is the greatest artistic accomplishment of our time. The Drew Bledsoe Scramble Cam disagrees.
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I remember being so excited that the Lions were going to get David Harris, and then Millen picked Stanton
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Stanton can be a perfectly capable Shaun Hill type. I genuinely think Trent Edwards was good but couldn't stay healthy to save his life.
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Intruder posted:I'm pretty sure that David Carr and Joey Harrington weren't though of the way they are today when they were coming out of college. You have the benefit of hindsight right now with them I thought the problem with Carr is that he had no line and got consistently pummeled?
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Excuse me, all mentions of David Carr must be prefaced with the words "Super Bowl Winning QB"
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He had a coveted position as Eli Mannings backup QB. It was very hard.
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If you don't find the fact that David Carr has a ring hilarious then you just aren't a fan of football.
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David Carr probably wouldn't even be the worst SB winning starting QB if he had started
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Febreeze posted:If you don't find the fact that David Carr has a ring hilarious then you just aren't a fan of football. Bernie Kosar did it first and did it better
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PrinceRandom posted:I thought the problem with Carr is that he had no line and got consistently pummeled? It was partly that but a nontrivial amount of the sacks he took were him running out of bounds behind the LOS instead of throwing it away. Dude didn't really work at improving his game.
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Intruder posted:David Carr probably wouldn't even be the worst SB winning starting QB if he had started He was so good in the preseason that I was convinced an Eli injury wouldn't have been a travesty. Thank God nothing happened to test that theory.
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