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Okay, I've got to know, what's the story behind this? I grew up watching in that era, and somehow managed to miss this entirely.
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Minidust posted:I was just thinking about how uniquely over the Hardy Boyz were (specifically, before Jeff was in the WWE title scene). They generally weren't involved in the top storylines, they weren't enormous merchandise movers as far as I know, but man - they had a segment of the audience that absolutely LOVED them. Like, every backyard garbage wrestler kid ever wanted to be the Hardy Boyz. I can't think of any other midcard acts that had similar appeal. Maybe DX, when they were in their Spring/Summer '98 card position? Also how overrated are the Dudley's in terms of being promos?
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Jan 18, 2014 01:32
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Depends. Are you judging promos by ability to make everyone in the crowd want to kill you? They were really good at that.
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BlueArmyMan posted:Okay, I've got to know, what's the story behind this? I grew up watching in that era, and somehow managed to miss this entirely. They were trying to cover up Hogan going bald. They quickly dropped it because it looks so goofy
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Thauros posted:Thanks. What's the best Gorgeous George match easily available?
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Minidust posted:I was just thinking about how uniquely over the Hardy Boyz were (specifically, before Jeff was in the WWE title scene). They generally weren't involved in the top storylines, they weren't enormous merchandise movers as far as I know, but man - they had a segment of the audience that absolutely LOVED them. Like, every backyard garbage wrestler kid ever wanted to be the Hardy Boyz. I can't think of any other midcard acts that had similar appeal. Maybe DX, when they were in their Spring/Summer '98 card position? Not quite what you were asking, but I remember hearing that at some point in the post-Attitude years The Hurricane was basically a jobber but he moved enough merchandise that he ended up being paid like an upper midcard level guy due to being really popular with kids.
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oldpainless posted:Sorry if I missed this somewhere but what was the buyrate on TLC? I don't believe it's been put out yet. it often takes more than a month for WWE to put the buyrate out there.
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Minidust posted:I was just thinking about how uniquely over the Hardy Boyz were (specifically, before Jeff was in the WWE title scene). They generally weren't involved in the top storylines, they weren't enormous merchandise movers as far as I know, but man - they had a segment of the audience that absolutely LOVED them. Like, every backyard garbage wrestler kid ever wanted to be the Hardy Boyz. I can't think of any other midcard acts that had similar appeal. Maybe DX, when they were in their Spring/Summer '98 card position? Do you just mean wrestlers who had a cult following? I think more recently that's the "internet darling" spot. Pre-main event Punk and Bryan, anyone from NXT who was big in the indies, etc.
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BlueArmyMan posted:Okay, I've got to know, what's the story behind this? I grew up watching in that era, and somehow managed to miss this entirely. I've never seen this before either. So he wrestled whole matches with this thing on? Anyone got a link to a video?
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Jan 18, 2014 12:58
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getitoffgetitoff posted:They were trying to cover up Hogan going bald. They quickly dropped it because it looks so goofy You've got to be loving kidding me. They thought a giant fist helmet was better than a bandana or a hat? EDIT: Considering the sex tape, recent court ruling and fanfics, it was a big mistake to type "Hulk Hogan fist" into Google. Pope Corky the IX fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jan 18, 2014 |
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Jan 18, 2014 14:24
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I'm having a retro kick and wondered if anyone would indulge me with a spot of retrospective fantasy booking. Sorry if it's not the done thing. Anyway, I'm still watching every Raw of 1997 and enjoying it, but I know what the climax will be in Montreal. I was wondering if anyone out there had any opinion on how the whole thing, Bret, Shawn, Austin, Taker, HHH etc, could have reached a more appropriate conclusion by the start of the Attitude era in early 1998? In a perfect world, would you have Bret dropping the World Title to Austin at Wrestlemania 14 instead of Michaels? He alludes to this in his autobiography as his preferred method of ending his career with the WWF. However, with no screwjob you don't get a Mr Mahon character, would this have affected the genesis of the Attitude Era as a whole?
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Jan 18, 2014 21:00
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Assuming Bret still left for WCW, he should have dropped the title to Shawn with no screwjob and then Shawn would lose it at Wrestlemania just as planned. I don't know if the WWF would still be around today without the Austin/McMahon angle though.
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britishbornandbread posted:Anyway, I'm still watching every Raw of 1997 and enjoying it Out of curiosity, where are you watching them? I'd like to watch some older wrestling that isn't just PPV or single matches, but I've been unable to find anything further back than, like, early 2013.
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Jan 18, 2014 23:15
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By the time of Montreal, Austin was going to be huge no matter what and Vince was already transitioning to an on screen owner type character, and the Austin/Tyson stuff (and even a little later the Austin/Undertaker stuff) was more important than Vince himself to Austin in 1998-99 anyway. Aside from butterfly effect type stuff, I don't think there's much of a difference in the end.
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Shima Honnou posted:Out of curiosity, where are you watching them? I'd like to watch some older wrestling that isn't just PPV or single matches, but I've been unable to find anything further back than, like, early 2013. http://www.google.com/videohp?hl=en
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I'm watching my Hell in a Cell compilation DVD, and I got to UT/Stone Cold vs. Kane/Mankind, and Foley is cutting this oddly poetic promo before the match. I didn't get into wrestling until late 1999, so I missed the whole demented & tragic/corporate Mankind eras, and only knew him as the goofball with Mr. Socko. Were all of Mankind's promos poetic, or did Mankind just do whatever made him look unhinged?
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Why exactly did they book so many Bret Hart vs Jerry Lawler feuds, especially since Jerry was mostly a commentator and Bret was definitely a main-eventer at the time. Did they just like working together?
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Angular Landbury posted:Why exactly did they book so many Bret Hart vs Jerry Lawler feuds, especially since Jerry was mostly a commentator and Bret was definitely a main-eventer at the time. Did they just like working together? They did a program during Lawler's initial top heel run in 1993 that was an excellent program but never blown off because Lawler was fired mid-feud for his statutory rape charge. They went back to it in 1995 because it was good the first time and left open, and their second run was not so good.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:You've got to be loving kidding me. They thought a giant fist helmet was better than a bandana or a hat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnTqJQD4qPs I miss this show...
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jeffersonlives posted:They did a program during Lawler's initial top heel run in 1993 that was an excellent program but never blown off because Lawler was fired mid-feud for his statutory rape charge. They went back to it in 1995 because it was good the first time and left open, and their second run was not so good. I'm guessing that the start of Owen's issue with Bret and Survivor Series was happening whether Lawler wrestled or not?
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Jan 19, 2014 03:27
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I think Owen's issues with Bret predated Survivor Series and that's just where they blew up.
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Red posted:I'm guessing that the start of Owen's issue with Bret and Survivor Series was happening whether Lawler wrestled or not? Yes, they were doing teases going back before Lawler was suspended where Owen would sacrifice himself for Bret's glory or get beaten down for Bret to save or those sorts of things.
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jeffersonlives posted:They did a program during Lawler's initial top heel run in 1993 that was an excellent program but never blown off because Lawler was fired mid-feud for his statutory rape charge. They went back to it in 1995 because it was good the first time and left open, and their second run was not so good. Makes sense, I guess. Just a little odd that Vince would want one of his top faces in feuds with past-their-prime dudes like Lawler and Bob Backlund instead of trying to raise up younger talent.
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Is it true that Hogan had a clause in his contract that said that no one could refer to him as being bald on TV?
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Angular Landbury posted:Makes sense, I guess. Just a little odd that Vince would want one of his top faces in feuds with past-their-prime dudes like Lawler and Bob Backlund instead of trying to raise up younger talent. You say right before Wrestlemania season where for the last few years WWE has put an emphasis on middle aged part-time wrestlers, right before a ppv where the return of a middle aged part-time wrestler is being hyped, and after a Smackdown where two middle aged nostalgia acts pinned the tag team champions, one of whom is a middle aged guy who was semi-retired until recently catching fire during a nostalgia return. I'd say not a lot has changed. But I'll also say that Bob Backlund is one of the few things I remember positively from that WWF time period.
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Amy Renee posted:I'm watching my Hell in a Cell compilation DVD, and I got to UT/Stone Cold vs. Kane/Mankind, and Foley is cutting this oddly poetic promo before the match. I didn't get into wrestling until late 1999, so I missed the whole demented & tragic/corporate Mankind eras, and only knew him as the goofball with Mr. Socko. Were all of Mankind's promos poetic, or did Mankind just do whatever made him look unhinged? The poetry wasn't a regular thing, I don't remember the promo in question but I don't think he did poetry often. It's just that Mick was one of the most creative promo guys the WWE ever had. He had a talent for tapping into real emotion to sell his storyline, and he wasn't afraid of doing something unconventional on the mic.
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Any excuse to post Mankind's piano theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EROJk8tD218
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Mankind was such an amazing character before he went full retard with it.
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The Monkey Man posted:Is it true that Hogan had a clause in his contract that said that no one could refer to him as being bald on TV?
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Perigryn posted:He sued WCW when Russo called him that (among other things) during the Bash At the Beach shoot. Russo called him a "bald-headed bitch" which is what really set Hogan off and, according to Bischoff in his book (I know, I know but his account meshes with what a lot of people have reported) made whatever plans after Bash at the Beach 2000 impossible because Hogan was beyond livid. The dude is really insecure about his age (baldness ties into age) which honestly explains a good chunk of his actions and attitude over the years.
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Justin Godscock posted:Russo called him a "bald-headed bitch" which is what really set Hogan off and, according to Bischoff in his book (I know, I know but his account meshes with what a lot of people have reported) made whatever plans after Bash at the Beach 2000 impossible because Hogan was beyond livid. The dude is really insecure about his age (baldness ties into age) which honestly explains a good chunk of his actions and attitude over the years. 
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I don't think the bald thing was actually in writing, but I remember hearing one of the 80's Hogan villains (maybe King Kong Bundy) say that he got specific instruction from Vince to never mentioned the baldness when heeling Hogan.
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Cromulent posted:I don't think the bald thing was actually in writing, but I remember hearing one of the 80's Hogan villains (maybe King Kong Bundy) say that he got specific instruction from Vince to never mentioned the baldness when heeling Hogan.
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DeathChicken posted:Mankind was such an amazing character before he went full retard with it. I am probably in the minority but I disagree. The Mankind character of 96/97 never really interested me. But I was 9/10 years old so maybe that ties in to that. The whole crazed mutilator gimmick never enthralled me and I don't really recall any amazing matches unless I am missing something in the sea of poo poo that was 1996 WWF. The Shawn match at that IYR was ok I seem to recall. Sorry if this is awfully contrarian - I suppose I've never 'got' Mick Foley. EDIT: thinking about it I think the million and one Taker matches may have bored me a bit. Even into 1997 they were still trotting that match out before Foley's face turn. I think Mick mentions in his first book how he and Taker were concerned going into KOTR98 because saturation britishbornandbread fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Jan 19, 2014 |
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I wonder if that was brought up in court. I would have loved to have been in the audience and seen the judge's response to "Your honor, he called me bald on television" I imagine it would be something along the lines of "Look in the mirror. See? It's not slander if it's true"
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Pope Corky the IX posted:"Look in the mirror. See? It's not slander if it's true"
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Endorph posted:But Warrior isn't bald? I was all ready to correct you until I realized what you were referencing. It's a slow Sunday morning.
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britishbornandbread posted:I am probably in the minority but I disagree. The Mankind character of 96/97 never really interested me. But I was 9/10 years old so maybe that ties in to that. The whole crazed mutilator gimmick never enthralled me and I don't really recall any amazing matches unless I am missing something in the sea of poo poo that was 1996 WWF. The Shawn-Mankind match is an amazing match, in my opinion an all-time classic. And if it's been awhile since you've seen them. give the Undertaker series another watch, a lot of them are very good (although the Boiler Room match is really an acquired taste due to the lack of commentary and extreme length).
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Yeah, I'd honestly say the Shawn/Mankind match is probably Mick's best non-gimmick match. Plus it's so weird seeing Mick put forward as a monster, because most of his more famous matches are just him selling for most of it, when in that match it's the other way around.
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I'm sure this one has an obvious answer that I can't think of at the moment, but has there ever been a title match that had to be changed on the fly due to a botch? E.g. Has a champion won a match he was booked to lose over a botch?
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