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Robocop 2 was pretty okay but so stupid in parts, 3 is an abomination.
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RoboCop: Prime Directives makes RoboCop 3 look like a goddamned masterpiece. It's a drat shame they didn't have any money (and couldn't cast an actor who actually gave a gently caress), because PD had some pretty interesting ideas and a poo poo ton of potential.
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Jan 18, 2014 23:16
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The best part of PD is the actor was shorter in the suit than the guy playing his son. By like, 3 or 4 inches.
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Jan 19, 2014 00:03
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AGirlWonder posted:Someone suggested earlier that this movie might be an inverse of the first- where the original was about Murphy being made into a cyborg, but retaining his humanity, this film might make him look more human, but it's just a facade. I would be very alright with that, since they really can't have him move and look the way he does and keep the old theme. If they went with this I would be very impressed. It would almost make the previews a sort of meta troll for people who have seen the original. 
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Jan 19, 2014 00:12
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Rhyno posted:The best part of PD is the actor was shorter in the suit than the guy playing his son. By like, 3 or 4 inches. Check out the scenes where he dramatically "holds up with one hand" actors that are like a foot taller than him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzJOxn-IlyE Also mariachi music followed by "I'm composed of titanium. I don't believe you are." Finally, take a shot every time an actor says either "I am an employee of OCP" or "You are an employee of OCP."
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Jan 19, 2014 00:18
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If it is an inversion of the original, on purpose, I could forgive the human hand as being the inversion of the scene in the original where they salvage his arm but Morton specifically tells to get rid of it. I just can't bring myself to hate Robocop 3, if only because I saw it as a young child and it's the movie that got me interested in Robocop.
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Jan 19, 2014 00:26
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:You'd never seen them before? I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on them if this was your first time seeing them! Yeah, I'm 22. My exposure to Robocop consisted of the awesome Alvin and the Chipmunks parody and VH1's I Love the 80s. One of the things that struck me right away (because it's the first thing in the film) is the world-building. The newscasts and the commercials are such a creative way to show the general attitude of Old Detroit, and I hope that the remake continues them in some form. Even that weird-rear end sitcom ("I'd buy that for a dollar!") makes the setting seem more real. They show a strange apathy coming from the public, concerning all the violence and death in their lives. There's so much going on, with the privatization of public resources and the gloomy tone of the city, and the film just focuses on Murphy's story. Murphy was completely horrifying. I appreciate that he doesn't look anything like a human, but watching Weller with the mask off is really disconcerting and hard to watch. I think that's the point, though, and it's well-made. Robocop 2 was good. Not as good as the first, but it wasn't awful, and I enjoyed it enough. I though it was funny how Murphy was iridescent. The deal with Nuke was cheesy, but that's because I grew up in DARE programs and seeing the failure of the War on Drugs. The 10 year old drug dealer was hilarious, as were all the horrible Little League kids. I was disappointed that the Nuke plotline got equal screentime to the OCP plot, which was more engaging and better handled- I liked seeing that even the meek or victimized OCP heads from the first film were just as awful as Dick Jones. gnomewife fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jan 19, 2014 |
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Jan 19, 2014 00:30
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You probably did, though, because you'd be singing a different tune if you had watched 3.
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Neo Rasa posted:Check out the scenes where he dramatically "holds up with one hand" actors that are like a foot taller than him: Now somebody post the horror story about how they took a hacksaw to the suit to make it fit.
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Jan 19, 2014 00:33
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Oh poo poo, I take it back! I just saw my first TV spot for the remake while watching South Park on Comedy Central! Now let's see if they keep up...
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Jan 19, 2014 00:37
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Neo Rasa posted:Check out the scenes where he dramatically "holds up with one hand" actors that are like a foot taller than him: The guy playing RoboCop sounds like he's doing his darndest to channel Michael Shannon. Also got a pretty good laugh at the people running the gift kiosk, who decide to hang around throughout multiple shootouts.
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Jan 19, 2014 00:49
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A Doomed Purloiner posted:If it is an inversion of the original, on purpose, I could forgive the human hand as being the inversion of the scene in the original where they salvage his arm but Morton specifically tells to get rid of it. I can't bring myself to hate RoboCop3 because of the scene where RoboCop drives the pimp mobile. It's such an amazing visual.
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Jan 19, 2014 00:53
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I haven't seen Robocop 3 since it originally came out, I remember it being awful. Should I re watch it? I might watch all three since it's been awhile. I know I bought a box set awhile ago and 3 is the only one I never watched from it.
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Jan 19, 2014 00:59
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It's not even Peter Weller.  And I'd think OCP would stop getting contracts for drones after the first several failures.
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Jan 19, 2014 02:48
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Slasherfan posted:I haven't seen Robocop 3 since it originally came out, I remember it being awful. Should I re watch it? I might watch all three since it's been awhile. I know I bought a box set awhile ago and 3 is the only one I never watched from it. I saw it as a kid and recognised it was fairly poo poo compared to the other two. I've rewatched the first many times and the second about half as many but never had the urge to view the third again. I only remember robot ninjas and a robocops jetpack. But I haven't heard any opinion that makes it seem worth rewatching. Not good enough to legitimately enjoy and not bad enough to be entertaining.
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Jan 19, 2014 02:58
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AGirlWonder posted:It's not even Peter Weller. Let me tell you about the F22 and F35.
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Jan 19, 2014 03:31
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A friend ordered a couple of Robocop figures from Amazon, one old, one new... this is what he wrote: Robocops showed up I recorded a vid on my webcam basically new Robocop is badly made old one is very good AGirlWonder posted:It's not even Peter Weller. Young Freud posted:Let me tell you about the F22 and F35.
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Jan 19, 2014 07:21
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Cardboard Box A posted:Hahahaha yeah. That's pretty accurate to the defense industry. If you remember Dick Jones ranting at Bob Morton in the executive restroom, he literally says "who cares if ED-209 works?" as long as they've got those military contracts for parts. It's the "razor and blades" business model coupled with the sunk cost fallacy, because once the government buys the damned things, they'll keep buying them and their parts and maintenance contracts for perpetuity to get them to work. It mirrors government projects of the time like the Bradley IFV and failed projects like the DIVAD (which almost had similar incidents to Kenney's shooting with the AA guns locking-on to the audience stands and outhouse fans during trials) and continues to mirror with stuff like the aforementioned F22 and F35. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Jan 19, 2014 |
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Jan 19, 2014 08:21
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Neo Rasa posted:Check out the scenes where he dramatically "holds up with one hand" actors that are like a foot taller than him: I just can't over the music. It elevates the scene from irredeemable to funny as hell.
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Jan 19, 2014 11:58
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Fun Fact: I first saw Robocop 3 on a bootleg VHS that a kid in school got hold of. We gathered around his house because he told us the movie was so violent that it was banned in 'Asia'. It had Thai subtitles (Putting an end to that theory) and part of the screen was cut off. That remains my only ever viewing of Robocop 3. 2 has some good ideas in it, and is generally mental in a fun way...but it's just not that good. It's a real 'Parts are greater than the whole' type movie. Weirdly I think the original is more tame than Part 2, but only because the sequel just seems to ramp everything up. The original has its tongue in cheek but has a foot in the real world, the sequel is just all comic book. It's loud and brash.
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Jan 19, 2014 12:29
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Neo Rasa posted:Check out the scenes where he dramatically "holds up with one hand" actors that are like a foot taller than him: What the gently caress? It's like a little kid running around in a costume.
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Jan 19, 2014 19:38
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It's Robocop: For Your Height Only
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Jan 19, 2014 19:44
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Neo Rasa posted:Check out the scenes where he dramatically "holds up with one hand" actors that are like a foot taller than him: He's even shorter than the woman... Also, I like how you can see his face is too small for the black part of the helmet as when he moves his head/talks it separates from the side.
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Jan 19, 2014 20:05
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I need some photo or even a clip of the sneaker scene in robocop 3 where you can see them. The closest thing I can find in google/youtube is a lovely video of a doll telling me how bad Robocop 3 sucks. He does this by starting every sentence with "fuckin".
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Jan 19, 2014 20:59
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Favorabilis Solitud posted:I need some photo or even a clip of the sneaker scene in robocop 3 where you can see them. The closest thing I can find in google/youtube is a lovely video of a doll telling me how bad Robocop 3 sucks. He does this by starting every sentence with "fuckin".  Bonus pic:  You can see Not-Peter Weller's arm 
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Jan 19, 2014 22:13
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AlternateAccount posted:What the gently caress? It's like a little kid running around in a costume. Well, Rhyno brought it up, so I might as well tell the story again... Prime Directives was made on an extraordinarily low budget because Fireworks Entertainment, which had acquired television rights to RoboCop from Orion (which was desperate for cash at that point), wanted to get something out of the property before the rights expired. One of the areas where they ran into cost issues was the Robosuit, because they needed a few of them for RoboCop and RoboCable. Ultimately, Rob Bottin agreed to rent out the production a few of his originals (in addition to casting a new suit for Maurice Dean Wint, who is like 6'3" and just wouldn't fit in anything pre-existing), on the condition that they wouldn't come back damaged (which is why you don't see any "battle damage" in Prime Directives, the actors just flail around like they're having epileptic seizures when they're malfunctioning). Well, when it came time to get Page Fletcher fitted into the suit for the first time, the producers realized they had a problem. The original Robosuit was designed to fit Peter Weller's specifications, and he's a solid six feet tall -- they were able to mostly work with this with Robert John Burke and Richard Eden on RoboCop 3 / The Series, as Burke is about the same height but was more muscular than Weller (so there are parts of 3 where you can clearly see the bodysuit underneath the armor; they also made changes to the collar and thigh areas to accommodate for Burke's size), and Eden was just a hair shorter than Weller (though his suits were made from Burke's, which resulted in some awkwardness). Page Fletcher, however, is about 5'7", 5'8" on a good day. He simply didn't fit in the suits that Bottin had provided, and they had no money to pay for a new suit, because it would have required re-molding the entire thing at a six-figure cost, basically. So the Prime Directives crew came up with a rather ingenious solution. They took a hacksaw to the legs of Fletcher's suit, without checking with Bottin or even consulting him on ways they might be able to cheese it. Upon receipt of the suits, Bottin was, shall we say, displeased. Edit: As another example of how low-budget this piece of poo poo was, have a gander at the helmet-less makeup, consisting of ... a black turtleneck. 
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Jan 19, 2014 23:12
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Timby posted:They took a hacksaw to the legs of Fletcher's suit, without checking with Bottin or even consulting him on ways they might be able to cheese it. No wonder Rob Bottin no longer works in the film industry and ended up making a post-Hollywood career off of real estate.
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Jan 19, 2014 23:22
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LMFAO PAGE FLETCHER? Holy poo poo, that was the guy from the loving awful Hitchiker show.
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Jan 20, 2014 06:36
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It's kind of hilarious knowing that the last time Robocop was on any screen he was shorter than you were.
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Jan 20, 2014 06:38
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AGirlWonder posted:Robocop 2 was good. Not as good as the first, but it wasn't awful, and I enjoyed it enough. I though it was funny how Murphy was iridescent. The suit was iridescent in all of them, it just wasn't as exaggerated.  I have a piece of one of the production suits from RoboCop 2, and some other various set props. I work with a guy whose uncle was on the second unit team and has a closet full of poo poo like that, and he gave it all to me when I professed my obsessive RoboCop problem. Nice guy. Tried to give me a bunch of poo poo from the second The Mummy movie too. (Fun property department-related fact: the "computer board" in the background of that above still that RoboCop jacks into was used as a security panel in an episode of Firefly; I about poo poo when I saw it the first time) There is no RoboCop 3. There's RoboCop, and RoboCop 2, and that's it. There's some horrible unrelated movie called RobertCop 3 I think but it's not a RoboCop movie and I won't hear any more about the subject. Slim Killington fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jan 21, 2014 |
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Jan 21, 2014 21:46
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As cool as the spike was, why on earth would they make that? I mean are you expecting the regular disk jockeys to carrying around metal spikes for jamming into databanks? You only ever see Robocop use one--did they retrofit all the record-keeping hardware so he could use it freely? Why then does that gormless dork there object to his doing so?
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Jan 21, 2014 22:38
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They used it becauseLotish posted:cool My 4K transfer arrived today, I know what I'm doing all night after work!
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Jan 21, 2014 22:50
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Slim Killington posted:My 4K transfer arrived today, I know what I'm doing all night after work!
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Jan 21, 2014 22:53
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It looks fantastic (finally). Very much worth picking up.
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Jan 21, 2014 23:38
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Lotish posted:As cool as the spike was, why on earth would they make that? I mean are you expecting the regular disk jockeys to carrying around metal spikes for jamming into databanks? You only ever see Robocop use one--did they retrofit all the record-keeping hardware so he could use it freely? Why then does that gormless dork there object to his doing so? ...for the same reason R2-D2's little twiddly thing on an extending car aerial was. That and to use to stab motherfuckers in the neck...
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Jan 22, 2014 00:06
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Hand-spike will always be infinitely cooler than whatever Blue-tooth or Wifi new Robocop will have.
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Jan 22, 2014 00:08
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Slim Killington posted:
I'm pretty sure it's in an early episode of Star Trek: TNG when they were still rely on prop rentals rather than making stuff internally. 80's films are full of 'em.
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Jan 22, 2014 00:09
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Got my bluray. Most of the footage is fantastic. There are a few shots where some detail is lost but I'm willing to write that off to bad exposure/focus in filming (this is besides the NTSC footage) One thing though is I'm having trouble getting use to the new iridescent Robocop. It's so obvious that it's just a cheap purple/blue airbrush touch up and the paler colors of previous releases hid the fact 
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Jan 22, 2014 04:48
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They didn't dnr or remaster out the grain did they? I may not get around to it till this weekend, if they did, ehh, it was $9 and I think the last release is fine, but yea, all the film grain in the prior release is one of my favorite things about it.
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Jan 22, 2014 05:30
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Steve Yun posted:Got my bluray. Most of the footage is fantastic. There are a few shots where some detail is lost but I'm willing to write that off to bad exposure/focus in filming (this is besides the NTSC footage) Yeah, the lost detail is really apparent in the shot right after Robocop stabs Clarence. That and the slight coloration issues on Robo aside, it's still a fine transfer. Well worth the $8 or how much you ever decide to get it for. E: Not sure if I'm missing something, but I thought the new release had both the theatrical and uncut versions. Unless "deleted scenes" is just the bits from the uncut. iastudent fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jan 22, 2014 |
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Dr. Lariat posted:They didn't dnr or remaster out the grain did they? I may not get around to it till this weekend, if they did, ehh, it was $9 and I think the last release is fine, but yea, all the film grain in the prior release is one of my favorite things about it. Nah, healthy, vibrant grain. Extras are fun too, dunno if they were in the previous release but there are several moments when the animator accidentally breaks the ED-209 model
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