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TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

More random questions!

Shows:
-Is Zarkana any good? Some people seem to think it's not as good as Love/Ka/O. But better than Criss Angel and Zumanity right? If going for free were an option, would it be worth it?

-Absinthe is universally acclaimed and awesome right?

-My wife and I aren't club people, but shows we like. I'm thinking of doing Zarkana(free)/Absinthe/Penn&Teller/Michael Jackson? Is that a good lineup?

Other:
-Is the Adventuredome just for kids? We're going to do Stratosphere rides but should we even bother with the Adventuredome?

Freemont:
-Are there any casino attractions downtown one should check out other than the Golden Nugget's ...nugget?
-I'm mostly going on a weekend like a doofus and was wondering if I'd be able to get 5 dollar craps and blackjack downtown on a weekend. If not, I'll wait til the weekdays I'll be there.

I'll probably ask some museum questions later. Mostly if I should make time for Atomic testing/Mob museums or if they kinda suck.

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Minty Swagger
Sep 8, 2005

Ribbit Ribbit Real Good

TheReverend posted:

-My wife and I aren't club people, but shows we like. I'm thinking of doing Zarkana(free)/Absinthe/Penn&Teller/Michael Jackson? Is that a good lineup?

I can confirm that Absinthe and Penn and Teller are good choices.

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


TheReverend posted:

More random questions!

Shows:
-Is Zarkana any good? Some people seem to think it's not as good as Love/Ka/O. But better than Criss Angel and Zumanity right? If going for free were an option, would it be worth it?

-Absinthe is universally acclaimed and awesome right?

-My wife and I aren't club people, but shows we like. I'm thinking of doing Zarkana(free)/Absinthe/Penn&Teller/Michael Jackson? Is that a good lineup?

Other:
-Is the Adventuredome just for kids? We're going to do Stratosphere rides but should we even bother with the Adventuredome?

Freemont:
-Are there any casino attractions downtown one should check out other than the Golden Nugget's ...nugget?
-I'm mostly going on a weekend like a doofus and was wondering if I'd be able to get 5 dollar craps and blackjack downtown on a weekend. If not, I'll wait til the weekdays I'll be there.

I'll probably ask some museum questions later. Mostly if I should make time for Atomic testing/Mob museums or if they kinda suck.

Downtown owns and you should definitely do your gambling there on the weekend. Here's some thoughts from my recent trip (1/10 through 1/14):

Gambling: I played craps at several places downtown. Here's how minimums and odds sorted out:
Golden Nugget: 3-4-5x odds, $10 minimums on Friday night, Saturday afternoon and night, and Sunday night, $5 tables available at other times.
Fremont: 2x odds (boo), $3 minimums available at all times except Friday night.
Plaza: 3-4-5x odds, $5 table on Monday night (the only time I went).
El Cortez: 10x odds, $5 table one night (Saturday probably), $3 at all other times.

It ended up being a very successful weekend. Low rolling allowed me to play max odds at places which really cuts into the house edge. All four casinos generally had good dealers. I had a blast at the Plaza holding down a table entirely by myself and chatting with the dealer crew, and I swear the dealers and pit boss at the El Cortez were all college kids which was kinda goofy (one representative conversation was about the merits of different frozen pizza brands).

Penny and nickel slots remained my preferred way to get drinks, and an early $20 win meant I essentially played slots for free all weekend.

I can't speak specifics to blackjack but I imagine it's pretty similar.

Attractions:
-Went to the Mob Museum. It was well done and worth the price of admission. It can drag on a little long...I was ready to sit down by the time I got to the end.
-I enjoyed checking out Fremont East and the Downtown Container Park. I work as an urban planner, so I'm guessing a lot of people don't geek out over downtown revitalization stuff like I do, but it's an interesting project. Seems like they have a decent amount of movies/music on the lawn there too.

Dining:
-Eat was a great place for lunch. Note that they don't do dinner.
-Park on Fremont is funky (I'm sure some would accuse it of trying too hard, but I liked it), has a great beer list, and amazing macaroni and cheese balls for bar snacks. Also they gave us flowers for happy hour because why not.
-If you like bagels with lox but never buy it because it's really expensive, go to the Golden Nugget breakfast buffet and eat your weight in smoked salmon like I did for like $13.


Downtown: why would you go anywhere else?

Spike McAwesome
Jun 18, 2004

Zombies? Or middle-management? I can't tell...

Nice Davis posted:

Gambling: I played craps at several places downtown. Here's how minimums and odds sorted out:
Golden Nugget: 3-4-5x odds, $10 minimums on Friday night, Saturday afternoon and night, and Sunday night, $5 tables available at other times.
Fremont: 2x odds (boo), $3 minimums available at all times except Friday night.
Plaza: 3-4-5x odds, $5 table on Monday night (the only time I went).
El Cortez: 10x odds, $5 table one night (Saturday probably), $3 at all other times.

Main Street Station is 20x. Used to be 100x until not too long ago. I've never seen them without a $5 table, but I don't go Downtown all that often.

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

Ok thanks guys!
I've been to the El Cortez on a Tuesday or something.

I left with emphysema, but it was cheap craps!

Bobalbmi
Sep 25, 2000

Today is the day
Anyone been to the Downtown Grand yet? Thinking about a visit next month - hotel looks pretty neat and it seems to be close to some of the new development downtown.

Spike McAwesome
Jun 18, 2004

Zombies? Or middle-management? I can't tell...

Bobalbmi posted:

Anyone been to the Downtown Grand yet? Thinking about a visit next month - hotel looks pretty neat and it seems to be close to some of the new development downtown.

I've walked around inside but haven't stayed or eaten there. It's nice, you can tell they put a lot of money into it, looks like they planned everything out very well... but it's not "special" in a "HOLY poo poo YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS PLACE" kind of way.

But maybe there's a restaurant there that would make it a must-see.

Bobalbmi
Sep 25, 2000

Today is the day

Spike McAwesome posted:

I've walked around inside but haven't stayed or eaten there. It's nice, you can tell they put a lot of money into it, looks like they planned everything out very well... but it's not "special" in a "HOLY poo poo YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS PLACE" kind of way.

But maybe there's a restaurant there that would make it a must-see.

Hmmm...thanks. The place (from the website) reminds me kind of the poor man's Cosmopolitan. Got a cheap rate so might be a good jumping off point into Downtown.

Stupid Post Maker
Jan 8, 2008
Does anyone have a preference between the Monte Carlo and Harrahs? prices are essentially the same for the time period I'm going.

ColdBlooded
Jul 15, 2001

Ask me how to run a good team into the ground.
I like Monte Carlo more (both the casino and the rooms) but I like Harrah's location better. If the prices are essentially equal, I choose Monte Carlo but there isn't really a bad choice here.

Bankok
Sep 10, 2004

SPARTA!!!
Harrah's you are right next to tram, so going up and down strip is a lot quicker. I like Monte Carlo as a casino better though, so it's really six of one half dozen of another.

diapermeat
Feb 10, 2009

Stupid Post Maker posted:

Does anyone have a preference between the Monte Carlo and Harrahs? prices are essentially the same for the time period I'm going.

I have stayed at the Monte Carlo the last few times I've been to Vegas.

Pros:
- Food court open 24/7 (mcdonalds, starbucks, chinese food, japanese food, pizza place, etc)
- Decently priced table games
- Tram connects right to the building and takes you up the strip in no time flat.
- Room Prices are relatively cheap
- Pub with over 300 beers plus decently priced/tasty food

Cons:
- Lackluster rooms - nothing fancy about these (but I don't care)
- Pool is pretty small

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

1)Grand Canyon: Where should I sleep?
2)LAS Rent-a-Car: Which company isn't awful?

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


If you're up for staying in Flagstaff then I'd recommend the Hotel Monte Vista. Cool older place right in the heart of downtown with two restaurants and a bar in the lower level. We got the room with the shared bath and never had an issue waiting to use it. The Hotel Weatherford seems like a similar type of place...I can't vouch for the rooms there, but I can vouch for the awesome second floor bar with a corner balcony overlooking town.

simpleranger
May 10, 2007
This is a great thread and I have expanded my list of things to do.

Next week my wife and I are bringing our exchange students to Las Vegas with us. We'll hit the HD, Zion, Death Valley and the GC.

I've got a couple questions.

1) We are staying on strip, any recommendations on things to do with 16 & 18 year old boys?

2) I hear tell of Silverton 2-1 buffet coupons. How do I go about getting a couple of those?

Ok, three questions.

3) Does anyone want to shoot guns next week?

Thanks Goons.

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

simpleranger posted:

1) We are staying on strip, any recommendations on things to do with 16 & 18 year old boys?
Eh if it isn't too late here's what I would have liked at their age:
-Indoor skydiving
-Bellagio fountains
-Mirage Volcano
-NYNY coaster
-Stratosphere rides.
-Sharkreef.
-Penn and Teller?
-Pinball museum.

Most of these are doable on strip or by shuttle/bus or car.

simpleranger
May 10, 2007

TheReverend posted:

Eh if it isn't too late here's what I would have liked at their age:
-Indoor skydiving
-Bellagio fountains
-Mirage Volcano
-NYNY coaster
-Stratosphere rides.
-Sharkreef.
-Penn and Teller?
-Pinball museum.

Most of these are doable on strip or by shuttle/bus or car.

Thanks. I hadn't considered the Stratosphere for some reason. I'll subject them to the TI show too.

Cheesemaster200
Feb 11, 2004

Guard of the Citadel

Stupid Post Maker posted:

Does anyone have a preference between the Monte Carlo and Harrahs? prices are essentially the same for the time period I'm going.

I just stayed at Monte Carlo. Rooms were very "meh" and the pool was closed most of our trip. It was the winter though. There was also a ton of construction on the front of the hotel and the adjacent NY, NY that kind of ruined the walking experience.

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


simpleranger posted:

Thanks. I hadn't considered the Stratosphere for some reason. I'll subject them to the TI show too.


e: Seconding pinball museum

pig slut lisa fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Feb 14, 2014

Minty Swagger
Sep 8, 2005

Ribbit Ribbit Real Good
Pinball Museum is pretty much the best thing ever. I'll never get tired of it.

greatapoc
Apr 4, 2005
Australian here about to embark on my first step off this horrid island late April. My partner and I (both 25) will be staying in Vegas for 4 nights. We don't have anything planned at the moment and my girlfriend is keen to just wing it but I like to have a good idea of how to maximise the time we have.

So far I was thinking of staying at the Rio because I really want to see Penn and Teller. I understand that you don't have to stay at the place of the shows you want to see but the price seems reasonable and discounts that show. What else is on at the moment that is really worth seeing (broad question I know, surely 100s of shows on)? Is the Rio a good place to stay or would somewhere else be better? FWIW, accomm + show tickets for our dates is approx $350.

I'd like to do a helicopter tour of the Grand Canyon, preferably one that lands. Any recommendations?

I'm not huge on gambling but I do enjoy the atmosphere. Is it suspect to just want to wander around a casino and not play?

We will have a car during our stay so getting around is no issue, with that in mind what kind of attractions are there off-strip that are worth going out of our way for?

I understand my questions are probably extremely vague given the enormity of Las Vegas but I'm just trying to make the most of what little time we have.

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

4 Days is actually a pretty good length of stay for Las Vegas.

What days are you going? What is your budget?
I think you could do better than the Rio.
You could probably stay on-strip at a nicer hotel for not much more.
I feel like I'm pretty good at shopping hotels so let me know the dates and budget and I'll help you if you like.


Gambling: All the casinos from the dinky smoke filled basement ones to the luxury casinos will have cheap machines to play if you just want to play a little. You could easily make it worth your while to play nickel slots and get your money's worth on free drinks.

If you want to play table games, then avoid the luxury and strip casinos. Go Downtown, you can play table games for less over there.

But yeah you can totally just wander around. They want you to do that so maybe you impulse-play a game or get a drink from a bar or go to a restaurant/shop etc. My wife and I walked around the Wynn and Encore casinos just because they're beautiful.

Car: Go Downtown at least once. It's a whole different vibe. If you like to drink/party though you might want to take a cab so you're not intoxicated. I feel a little slighted I didn't get to spend as much time down there as I wanted to last time I went.

Other non-strip places to see:
-Pinball museum
-Atomic Testing museum.
-Red Rock Canyon

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


How much of a buy-in / blinds are at most tables on the strip?

greatapoc
Apr 4, 2005

TheReverend posted:

What days are you going? What is your budget?

Awesome, thanks for all that. We'll be there the 21st-25th of April which will be Monday to Friday. Budget is flexible, just nothing too ridiculous like Caesars Palace (priced it around $800 for the 4 nights).

TheReverend posted:

Other non-strip places to see:
-Pinball museum
-Atomic Testing museum.
-Red Rock Canyon
These places look fantastic, thank you.

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

I'll keep searching, but I found a few proposals.

On mlife (the MGM Resorts loyalty program, you can join for free) I see that for a stay of 4/21/ to 4/25


-NYNY 221 for basic non strip view to 289 for a strip view deluxe room with a few option in between
-Signature at MGM Grand $361.25

NYNY is absolutely 100% on the strip. I've never been in the rooms but the casino was alright. The Madison Ave is their nicer room and for a strip view for 4 nights under 300 isn't a bad deal in my opinion. Look up the madison ave rooms online.

Let me explain the Signature at MGM Grand. MGM Grand is the giant emerald colored structured structure that holds 8000 rooms. The Signature is a group of three luxury towers kinda behind the emerald super structure. Because of this it's technically "off strip". However I stayed there last year for my birthday and it takes just a few minutes of walking to get to the MGM Grand casino. Also, the rooms were baller. Separate Jacuzzi tub, TV in the bathroom, etc . You don't even have to go outside there is a series of moving walkways. The cool thing about staying at MGM Grand is that there is a monorail station there. A lot of people make fun of it, but I liked taking it to the north strip and walking back as a drunk madman.

Anyways, it's late and I need to go to bed so here's a brief summary.

NYNY seems like a good deal, esp if you are content with just having a nice place to stay and don't need over the top luxury. You get the benefit of going from room to strip in a short amount of time.

Signature @ MGM is slightly pricier but you get a really really nice room. Everyone there treats you like a king. Takes a little while longer to get the strip. 361 for 4 nights is a really good deal.

And as always, every single room in Las Vegas in price exclusive of stupid resort fees.

I'll look at CET rooms for you tomorrow.

simpleranger
May 10, 2007

The Reverend posted:

Pinball Museum

Nice Davis posted:

e: Seconding pinball museum

Minty Swagger posted:

Pinball Museum

We have a winner! Thanks!

BulimicGoat
Mar 19, 2007
I've stayed at the Rio on a comp before- the rooms are big and that's pretty much it. Sparse furnishings, meh service, and CET isn't sinking any more money into that place any time soon, so it's only downhill from there. Although you'll have a car, you'll probably have a better time staying on strip and just driving/ cabbing/ shuttling over to Rio for P&T.

The Flamingo is prime center strip location and the rooms are nice (just make sure you get the GO rooms and not the FAB). As a plus, you'll be right next to the new LINQ area that's up and running.

I just stayed at the Cosmopolitan in December and it was ridiculously nice. I have a feeling you'll be spending a decent amount of time hanging out there, so you might want to check out the rooms there - they might push the max of your budget, but they regularly run decent promotions on their facebook page. For example, I got the wraparound terrace suite for ~$190/night on a buy 1 night get 1 free promo.

Bruce Hussein Daddy
Dec 26, 2005

I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God
Supposedly the following do not have resort fees.


Alexis Park
Ambassador Strip Inn Travelodge
Americas Best Value Inn
Arizona Charlies Boulder
Arizona Charlie's Decatur
Best Western
Bill's Gamblin' Hall
Bluegreen Club 36 resort
Buffalo Bill's
California Hotel
Claremont Hotel
Clarion Hotel
Courtyard by Marriott
Desert Rose Resort
Elara (PH Tower)
Emerald Suites Cameron
Emerald Suites Las Vegas
Four Queens
Fremont
Hawthorn Inn
Holiday Inn Express
La Quinta Inn
M Resort
Main Street Station
Marriott
Platinum Hotel and Spa
Primm Valley Resort
Renaissance Las Vegas
Residence Inn
Royal Resort
Siena Suites Hotel
Skylofts
Super 8 Koval
Vegas Club
Whiskey Pete's
Wyndham Grand Desert

http://www.lasvegasdirect.com/las-vegas-hotel-resort-fees.html

Re: Length of visit, I have decided 2 travel days + 3 "in Vegas" days to be just about right.

kri kri
Jul 18, 2007

TheReverend posted:



Let me explain the Signature at MGM Grand. MGM Grand is the giant emerald colored structured structure that holds 8000 rooms. The Signature is a group of three luxury towers kinda behind the emerald super structure. Because of this it's technically "off strip". However I stayed there last year for my birthday and it takes just a few minutes of walking to get to the MGM Grand casino. Also, the rooms were baller. Separate Jacuzzi tub, TV in the bathroom, etc . You don't even have to go outside there is a series of moving walkways. The cool thing about staying at MGM Grand is that there is a monorail station there. A lot of people make fun of it, but I liked taking it to the north strip and walking back as a drunk madman.

This is good info...I want to come out either weekend of march 21st or the 28th. Staying Friday through Sunday. Is my best bet to get my hotel separate from my flight? I will be coming in from MSP.

kri kri fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Mar 2, 2014

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

The best answer is to shop around.

Vegas.com got my and my wife from ATL to LAS for 3 nights in the signature for 900 dollars.

Your problem is going to be twofold.
1)You're less than 30 days out. I think the best time to buy airfare is around the 60 day mark. Not always true for everyone but you're getting mighty close to your travel days and the airfare is going to be more expensive.

2)You want to do it on a weekend. So does everyone else (and all those weekender fuckheads from SoCal [I'm secretly jealous as I'd love to be one of those people] ). If you can be a little flexible you'll save some. For example, on the first weekend. The airfare from MSP to LAS and back is 470 at the cheapest nonstop. If you come back on Monday it's only 388.

Spike McAwesome
Jun 18, 2004

Zombies? Or middle-management? I can't tell...

TheReverend posted:

2)You want to do it on a weekend during March loving Madness.

Fixed that for you.

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

Spike McAwesome posted:

Fixed that for you.

Oh poo poo didn't think of that.

kri kri
Jul 18, 2007

Spike McAwesome posted:

Fixed that for you.

Good point. Its not set in stone so I might push it back a week or so, thanks. Kayak has a pretty good package feature, I am finding some pretty good deals.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort
Are there any games that I can enjoy at some $50 / hour? Slots can go as low as 1c/ spin but they are mindless, it's not even a game. No limit poker is $100 buy in at least, live roulette is $10 per spin... The closest thing I found is electronic roulette at $3 per spin but if you play every spin even that won't last an hour.

theOctagon
Apr 22, 2005

I bet you are wondering what I call my penis... it's the

Doctor Malaver posted:

Are there any games that I can enjoy at some $50 / hour? Slots can go as low as 1c/ spin but they are mindless, it's not even a game. No limit poker is $100 buy in at least, live roulette is $10 per spin... The closest thing I found is electronic roulette at $3 per spin but if you play every spin even that won't last an hour.

Learn the basics of craps and bet on the pass/don't pass line. Pretty much break even odds.

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


Doctor Malaver posted:

Are there any games that I can enjoy at some $50 / hour? Slots can go as low as 1c/ spin but they are mindless, it's not even a game. No limit poker is $100 buy in at least, live roulette is $10 per spin... The closest thing I found is electronic roulette at $3 per spin but if you play every spin even that won't last an hour.

theOctagon posted:

Learn the basics of craps and bet on the pass/don't pass line. Pretty much break even odds.

Seconding this. In addition to being super fun, craps has the best odds of any table game in the casino. A lot of people miss out on this because they're afraid of how confusing craps looks, but it pretty simple (especially the pass line).

If you don't know how to play, I would recommend heading downtown one morning and watching the daily class at the Golden Nugget. Then cross the street to the Fremont or a couple blocks down to El Cortez and start playing the pass line at $3 with 2x odds. You can throw down another $3 come bet now and then and take 2x odds on that. A pass line bet with those odds has a per-roll house edge of 0.18%...insanely low. So at ~150-200 rolls per hour, your expected loss would be around $30/hour. Stay away from sucker bets like hardways unless (until?) you're feeling flush.

If that was a lot of scary numbers (and believe me, I get feeling nervous about craps), just head up to a slow table, stand near a dealer, throw $50 down, and tell them you'd like to play the minimum on the pass line. They'll help you out.

Edit: actually I think I hosed up my math and your expected hourly loss would be more in the neighborhood of $5. So...even better!

pig slut lisa fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Mar 3, 2014

Sand Monster
Apr 13, 2008

Doctor Malaver posted:

Are there any games that I can enjoy at some $50 / hour? Slots can go as low as 1c/ spin but they are mindless, it's not even a game. No limit poker is $100 buy in at least, live roulette is $10 per spin... The closest thing I found is electronic roulette at $3 per spin but if you play every spin even that won't last an hour.

Maybe video poker? It's not completely mindless like slots, at least.

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

The bovada.lv practice craps game is actually pretty good if you want to dick around with how it works.

Spike McAwesome
Jun 18, 2004

Zombies? Or middle-management? I can't tell...
Pai Gow poker is about 40% to push, so money can last a long drat time... assuming you avoid betting the bonus, etc.

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Ally McBeal Wiki
Aug 15, 2002

TheFraggot

Spike McAwesome posted:

Pai Gow poker is about 40% to push, so money can last a long drat time... assuming you avoid betting the bonus, etc.

Seconding this, unless you run into my luck. Harrah's has Guiness and Newcastle, which ain't bad choices considering the other swill most Strip casinos throw at you when you ask for a beer while gaming. And no one besides the dealer will judge you if you end up shitfaced at the table. At least it never seemed that way to me. :)

Although, now that has me wondering: If one were to game at Monte Carlo, say, and wanted to drink beers from the Pub, could a cocktail waitress feasibly do that? For the right price, I'm sure. Would probably be more worth it to just get up and get it myself and carry it back.

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