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DStecks posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Rajas will be the first major commercially-released video game to be set primarily in India. So, major props to Paradox. Champion of the Raj was set in India and it came out like 20 years ago.  There's also Unrest, an RPG set in India that was kickstarted last year.
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Had an itch to play CK2 today so I started up a game as a lowly count in north Germany, intending to slowly build up an empire through having a massive army of sons to give land / marry off etc. Result: I have six daughters in a row then I die at the age of 42. Errr, ok. Then I start a new game as a count in Lotharingia. I gave up when I had my 4th daughter in a row AND my wife died in child-birth. Sometimes this game can be a real rear end in a top hat.
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I'm playing an Ironman game as the Pope's vassal, House Orsini. Unfortunately, the Pope (and my character's uncle) just raised the Crown Authority to Absolute, which prevents me from waging war. I cannot create any factions. Is there anyway to lower the crown authority without declaring independence?
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Jan 23, 2014 22:23
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Ovenmaster posted:Had an itch to play CK2 today so I started up a game as a lowly count in north Germany, intending to slowly build up an empire through having a massive army of sons to give land / marry off etc. Result: I have six daughters in a row then I die at the age of 42. Errr, ok. Then I start a new game as a count in Lotharingia. I gave up when I had my 4th daughter in a row AND my wife died in child-birth. Sometimes this game can be a real rear end in a top hat. 50% in RNG terms generally means "gently caress you."
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Jan 23, 2014 22:26
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The Golden Horde's armies just spawned in Hungary and the king there immediately capitulated. EDIT: Welp, Vienna's gone.
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Ovenmaster posted:Had an itch to play CK2 today so I started up a game as a lowly count in north Germany, intending to slowly build up an empire through having a massive army of sons to give land / marry off etc. Result: I have six daughters in a row then I die at the age of 42. Errr, ok. Then I start a new game as a count in Lotharingia. I gave up when I had my 4th daughter in a row AND my wife died in child-birth. Sometimes this game can be a real rear end in a top hat. It was worse in CK1. The sex of a child wasn't a 50/50 chance, it was weighted based on the ratio of living male and female characters in the world to keep the numbers of the sexes balanced. At the start of the game, of course, there are a lot more men than women. It would take a couple decades to even out and get something approaching 50% chance. If your ruler was getting on in years to begin with and didn't already have a son, then good loving luck continuing your dynasty with nothing but daughters and no option for matrilineal marriage.
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Jan 23, 2014 22:42
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:My understanding (and if any of this is wrong I'd appreciate a correction) is as follows: Thanks, this cleared up my confusion.
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Jan 23, 2014 22:48
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DrSunshine posted:Buddhist Roman Empire. Norse Buddhists conquering the world.
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So that brief stint I had as a dirty Cathar a couple reigns ago had a consequence.
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Jan 23, 2014 23:11
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I'm a few pages late to the party on the DLC thing but as a huge Indophile this is awesome. Forget recreating the Roman Empire, my Buddhist warrior Maharaja is going to recreate the Mauryan Empire and re-establish the Dharma throughout the subcontinent. I'm really curious to see what they're going to do with Central Asia, too, especially with regards to the horde mechanics. They have a chance to make it feel a bit more organic by simulating the rise of leaders like Tamerlane rather than just having them pop out of nowhere at the designated time.
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Jan 23, 2014 23:24
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HenessyHero posted:So that brief stint I had as a dirty Cathar a couple reigns ago had a consequence. Because either way, good lord Misread. Though still, way to work your family up the chain. And, well, female Pope thing.
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Bolian Blues posted:I'm a few pages late to the party on the DLC thing but as a huge Indophile this is awesome. Forget recreating the Roman Empire, my Buddhist warrior Maharaja is going to recreate the Mauryan Empire and re-establish the Dharma throughout the subcontinent. Only that the original horde emerges from a country that will not be part of the next map extension. If Mongolia was part of the Indian subcontinent I could imagine them establishing a new mechanic (kinda like recreating the Roman Empire with several prestige requirements and subjugating other tribes and all going into a new "horde counter" to amass the Mongol hordes), but even then it would most likely still involve heavy scripting for the AI and doomstacks popping out of nowhere anyway. I hope they will add more unique buildings to the game, like the Theodosian Walls in Constantinople. How far will the map extend east anyway? If you get into Cambodia they could add a decision chain to build Angkor Wat for example, which could perhaps be a unique building for a temple holding.
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Jan 23, 2014 23:32
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I really hope they keep heading East, and eventually we see all of the old world and can have it where the Tang dynasty spreads across the entirety of the steppe until it faces off against the revived Buddhist-Greco-Roman empire and its vassals in the Hindu Kush. My alternative history self is on a fainting couch being fanned with palm fronds at this news.
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Jan 23, 2014 23:37
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Fucken finally, after only 673 hours of CK2 I finished my first game: I didn't do anything the last 100 years or so because  e: The Old Gods start doesn't unlock the "Play from 1066 until the end" achievement. 
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Jan 23, 2014 23:41
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I hope this new expansion adds the West African coastal provinces that are there in EU4 so it doesn't look so weird when you conquer West Africa, convert a game, and then see all those countries suddenly there. I'm going to be starting doing multiplayer with friends soon, and we decided on trying to do an Old Gods start date, forming Scandanvia, Wendish Empire, and Russia, and also reforming their respective religions. I'm going to be dealing with Russia, which is a country I've never played before. Any tips/hints to starting in Russia? Here's what I've been informed of so far: -Send spymaster to spy on Byzantine tech -Have other advisors do their tech stuff on my capital -Invest in horse archers and get ready for Seljuks (and eventually Mongols) -Reform the religion as soon as possible. Any other tips for a Russian start? Until religions are reformed, I'll be able to count on the other players for military assistance.
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Jan 24, 2014 00:51
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I'm kind of disappointed in the Rajas, first because I think the game should be deepened instead of being expanded, and second because I'm a terrible ignoramus when it comes to Indian history and don't have any touchstone that I could get hyped about. Except that there might be a bookmark titled 'the Slave Dynasty'.  On the bright side, Paradox will probably have to develop non-feudal modes of government to fit India. And the Hordes. And diplomacy fog-of-war.
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Jan 24, 2014 01:05
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I'm really excited for India, if a little bit worried that it'll make the game run slower with all the new tags etc. As for rather having the current CK2 be deeper rather than expanding the map? I don't know about that. What more could they add? It's already systems upon systems. I'd like them to change some things but adding more 'depth' sounds a little crazy to me. This should be really cool, I can't wait to see how the new map looks and how the Indians play.
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Jan 24, 2014 01:11
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Hell, the way CK2 models government fits India of the time better than it fits Middle Eastern Muslim states or nomadic hordes or Slavic or Norse pagans.
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Jan 24, 2014 01:13
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Well in terms of 'deepened' there's still theocracies, inland republics, holy orders that are locked to us. But I agree, there's nothing wrong with adding new areas. Phase 2 is only just beginning, there are a few more DLCs planned. Pragmatically, unless this is a standalone I would venture that this will be the expansion for India and the rest will need to stand free of it- thus back on the original content (or more map expansions, and more delicious Paradox forum tears). I can't see them doing DLC for DLC. Now, if it IS standalone all bets are off in terms of future DLC for India.
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Jan 24, 2014 01:23
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NLJP posted:As for rather having the current CK2 be deeper rather than expanding the map? I don't know about that. What more could they add? It's already systems upon systems. I'd like them to change some things but adding more 'depth' sounds a little crazy to me. I don't want to sound too much like the Paradox forums, but there's stuff like fleshing out Russia (including a Rota system), making Muslims less feudal, improving Steppe nomads, etc. Personally, I wish for ways to make large empires more interesting to govern. Pakled posted:Hell, the way CK2 models government fits India of the time better than it fits Middle Eastern Muslim states or nomadic hordes or Slavic or Norse pagans. I think India was more feudal than the Middle East and the Byzantines, but they still had stuff like centrally appointed governors and extensive bureaucracies.
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Jan 24, 2014 01:26
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I think I'm going to get more entertainment from nationalists than from the actual gameplay. Imagine the Greater Moravia/Glorious Sjerbia/Second Rome stuff, but on an entire subcontinent.
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Jan 24, 2014 01:30
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I don't want to sound too much like the Paradox forums, but there's stuff like fleshing out Russia (including a Rota system), making Muslims less feudal, improving Steppe nomads, etc. Personally, I wish for ways to make large empires more interesting to govern. Sure sure but most of that is patch or more minor DLC stuff and really not for a full scale expansion. I would hope they keep polishing that kind of stuff but that's not really in the league of what we're talking about. It's not like they'll stop patching.
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Jan 24, 2014 01:32
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Fucken finally, after only 673 hours of CK2 I finished my first game: Wow, what a nerd. I'm about to get my first finished game and checking steam I've only spent oh god what am I doing with my life  BravestOfTheLamps posted:On the bright side, Paradox will probably have to develop non-feudal modes of government to fit India. And the Hordes. And diplomacy fog-of-war. Mongols as something more than an Aztec invasion you can't turn off would be nice.
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Hopefully they can also make matrilineal marriages fully moddable, so they can be done by Republics. Inland republics would also be great, as would playing a Theocracy, even if you still can't play the Pope.
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I'm looking forward to this, cause it sounds awesome, but I really doubt they'll change the hordes much. I imagine (wildly speculate) that the northern border of the new Indian part of the map will be in or around the Himalayas somewhere. Then all Paradox has to do is end the playable area of the European and Middle East almost exactly where it is now, at the Urals, and the Aral Sea. The steppes to the northeast will probably just be left unplayable, leaving plenty of room for the Hordes to roll their doom stacks out of the steppes at the appropriate dates.
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Jan 24, 2014 02:40
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I don't see why they would have to leave half the map blank. The Ilkhanate horde can appear in the north/east as normal, perhaps a few decades earlier, while the Golden Horde and Timurids could be created under special conditions, such as the Ilkhanate dissolving or breaking up.
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Jan 24, 2014 02:48
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I'd really like to see a CKII DLC that was nothing but events and event chains. Tons of them. For every religion/region. Big event chains like the Demon Child, small event chains like the 'improve a stat' chains. Flavor events for lots of traits. Mini-event chains for interacting with kids/wife/family. Just tons of new events. 100% of development time spent on new events (maybe a handful of new traits?). Don't up the rate of events, just greatly expand the pool, so you could play a dozen games and still see totally new events.
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Fintilgin posted:I'd really like to see a CKII DLC that was nothing but events and event chains. Tons of them. For every religion/region. Big event chains like the Demon Child, small event chains like the 'improve a stat' chains. Flavor events for lots of traits. Mini-event chains for interacting with kids/wife/family. Seconding this, and I hope to god they add more flavor poo poo to do inbetween expansion, after forming a super empire it gets really loving annoying having to play whack-a-mole with rebels while maybe a feast or hunt inbetween?
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Fintilgin posted:I'd really like to see a CKII DLC that was nothing but events and event chains. Tons of them. For every religion/region. Big event chains like the Demon Child, small event chains like the 'improve a stat' chains. Flavor events for lots of traits. Mini-event chains for interacting with kids/wife/family. And more factions/ambitions.
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Ovenmaster posted:Had an itch to play CK2 today so I started up a game as a lowly count in north Germany, intending to slowly build up an empire through having a massive army of sons to give land / marry off etc. Result: I have six daughters in a row then I die at the age of 42. Errr, ok. Then I start a new game as a count in Lotharingia. I gave up when I had my 4th daughter in a row AND my wife died in child-birth. Sometimes this game can be a real rear end in a top hat. This is why you use some form of Cognatic succession And oh my God the expansion is going to be amazing. Time to convince people to give up earthly desires at sword point 
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Fintilgin posted:I'd really like to see a CKII DLC that was nothing but events and event chains. Tons of them. For every religion/region. Big event chains like the Demon Child, small event chains like the 'improve a stat' chains. Flavor events for lots of traits. Mini-event chains for interacting with kids/wife/family. I hope that this is the DLC that paradox makes after they've burned out ideas for DLCs based around new game mechanics.
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arhra posted:There should be Christians in India during the CK2 time period, though, so religious differences alone probably won't be enough to completely prevent it. This gives me an idea for a CK2 game: -Start in Old Gods time period as a Muslim or Pagan power. -Subjugate Christendom. -Tag switch to a Nestorian Indian Raja and become real life Prestor John, rescuing the holy mother church.
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Jan 24, 2014 04:43
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Mailer posted:Wow, what a nerd. I'm about to get my first finished game and checking steam I've only spent oh god what am I doing with my life  
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Jan 24, 2014 04:58
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You know, I thought I had a problem, but that. That's just a full-time job.
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Ofaloaf posted:Haha, what a loser. Who could possibly play CK2 that m- Mine's something ridiculous too, but it's because I tend to leave the game unattended for long stretches of time, since it's really nice about minimizing and doesn't make a huge performance footprint on my system. FAKE EDIT: Mother of god, that's 73 days of gameplay. Leaving it on in the background for an hour or two probably wouldn't account for that. I don't even think I've owned the game for 73 real days, let alone in-game ones.
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Jan 24, 2014 05:19
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DStecks posted:I don't even think I've owned the game for 73 real days, let alone in-game ones. My steam account randomly tacked on about 1200 hours to each game I own at some point. I have no idea why, but I certainly haven't played 1206 hours of Shadowrun Returns.
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Jan 24, 2014 05:26
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I'm still playing my GamersGate version of CK2. 
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Jan 24, 2014 05:35
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Wow, this is great news but it does leave some questions like how will they go about expanding the map? Are they going to block at off at the end of dejure India and thus add extra territories inbetween; or will India alone be added and everything else be terra incognnita? If so it would be awesome to see the Tibetan Empire just sitting there ready to expand the Bon faith in all directions. Lastly, how badly will this break save games and mods because SOA was relatively painless compared to TOG, but this looks like it might be worst.
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On the topic of limiting distance, I think this is a great way to make Learning an actually valuable trait for rulers. The higher learning you have, the further out you can interact with countries (but probably not war because pretty borders). That way, someone with 0 learning can only reach the holy land, while someone with 20 learning can interact with India in several ways.
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So it's 1177 and I'm steamrolling everything as a mighty Norse emperor, this playthrough was done like a century ago. So instead of starting a new file, I am going to give myself a new challenge. Time to grant everyone independence and flip to Catholicism  .
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