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ThePutty posted:On the topic of limiting distance, I think this is a great way to make Learning an actually valuable trait for rulers. The higher learning you have, the further out you can interact with countries (but probably not war because pretty borders). That way, someone with 0 learning can only reach the holy land, while someone with 20 learning can interact with India in several ways. What are you talking about? Learning IS a valuable stat for rulers, especially in the early game when your capital is not yet the most highly developed county in the world and the ahead penalty is still bearable. If you start in a small realm then diplomacy is worth a lot less, stewardship loses one of it's biggest benefits (the demesne bonus) while intrigue is situational. Martial and learning are good stats to have in that situation. Especially if your medium term plans involve fighting on pagan homelands and you save all your tech points for military organization level 4.
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Jan 24, 2014 07:25
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Ofaloaf posted:Haha, what a loser. Who could possibly play CK2 that m- I was just thinking to myself "hey loser happy 800th hour of playing CK2" and this made me feel so much better. Thanks for this. Also holy gently caress do not try and outwit the ironman autosave feature by using Task Manager. I was deep into a Byzantine game starting as Paphlagonia, then becoming emperor as Alexios and having badass rulers for about a century and nearly reforming the Pentarchy, then getting deposed by a unanimous rebellion by the dukes which exiled me to Sicily, clawing my way back to Constantinople in an epic revenge struggle, and castrating 75% of the dukes who wronged me. Then two separate rebellions broke out after I got jihaded and lost a ton of men while holding onto my Levantine provinces, and everybody went with one of the two. I managed to white peace one of them and got my warscore up to 90%, when I somehow got captured (I was leading a goddamn victory farming doomstack about to finish off the last pieces of poo poo who rebelled), which landed me back in Sicily. I wasn't going to stand for this obvious bullshit so under the assumption that I could reload it from the last monthly autosave, I ctrl-alt-del'ed out of the game, stopped the process in Task Manager, and then tried to load it up again. Lo and behold, it's corrupted 
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Jan 24, 2014 08:27
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Somehow I have more hours playing Hearts of Iron 3 than CKII  I.....feel like I have played many more hours of CKII but I guess not? Also this is a fixable situation 
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Jan 24, 2014 08:33
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I'm trying the start as the Count of Krakow in 867. This is my first time playing a Pagan, so a few questions. I've gone through a few -- very short -- games on Ironman, usually ending with 10 years as Something Goes Wrong. I'm part of Great Moravia, but fortunately an independence faction starts up soon. I join up, we rebel -- sometimes the King lets off the hook, sometimes we have to press in war. This ends, and I am a OPM in Krakow. I immediately revoke all the baronies under my county and then choose the ambition to become King of Poland, and start Subjugating the weakest neighbors nearby. This goes well -- taking over land, revoking everything (inspired by the Zoroasterian LP)... Until Moravia declares Holy War on me. In the game I played, I immediately converted to Catholicism, only to find out that 1) suddenly my armies in pagan lands are suffering horrendous attrition and 2) I lost my subjugation CB and 3) when I declare on another pagan part of Poland... all the other Slavic rulers gang up. What is the proper way to play this start out? Or, how can I survive the Holy War against Moravia (will my fellow Slavs join me? I insta-converted, so I didn't see). Any other tips or advice on the right approach to starting as a Slavic pagan in Krakow?
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Jan 24, 2014 08:38
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EDIT: nevermind, too tired to read things correctly.
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Jan 24, 2014 08:43
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Mickey McKey posted:Somehow I have more hours playing Hearts of Iron 3 than CKII The Steam hours played counter does bug out occasionally. 
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Jan 24, 2014 08:48
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alcaras posted:What is the proper way to play this start out? Or, how can I survive the Holy War against Moravia (will my fellow Slavs join me? I insta-converted, so I didn't see). Any other tips or advice on the right approach to starting as a Slavic pagan in Krakow? Your terrible russian and polish neighbours will come to your rescue, play really defensive and hire mercs if necessary.
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Jan 24, 2014 08:53
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I'm a terrible ignoramus when it comes to Indian history and don't have any touchstone that I could get hyped about.
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Jan 24, 2014 09:24
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Randallteal posted:The Steam hours played counter does bug out occasionally. Hah, yikes, yeah that seems a little off. Elukka posted:Meanwhile this is what I'm excited about. I love historical settings I know nothing about because it's probably gonna get me into the history of some new period/place. And I've been wishing for non-European settings for a while now. This is a big part of why I am excited: learning about somewhere new and non-european variety to a great game. Europe is a great, interesting, dynamic place for sure, but soem variety is always nice.
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Jan 24, 2014 09:46
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Is the latest release of CK2+ compatible with SoA?
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Jan 24, 2014 09:53
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Actually for Dark Souls that seems about average. Also for in game time just under 500 hours and still haven't beaten the game once.
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Jan 24, 2014 10:05
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Gonna spread the Gita so hard even the pope will be named Arjuna. It also makes a lord of light mod possible. Incredible.
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Jan 24, 2014 11:30
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After reading up on this - I'm definitely aiming to try a few of the Hindu rulers out. But I actually wonder whether Paradox will cover the more controversial aspects of Indian cultural life - I'm not talking about random events, but rather things that definitely happened that will most likely have an effect on gameplay. Like, for example - Sati: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_%28practice%29 If a nobleman dies, will the wife go too in a Sati event? This would only really happen in the Hindu areas, as the Delhi sultanate and later Mughal State would end up cracking down on this, but it would be quite overt if Paradox don't cover this - especially as it has an effect on gameplay. I also really hope they don't stereotypically place Buddhists into a weird 'pacifist' camp as they definitely were just as bloody as any other religious group during this period. http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
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Jan 24, 2014 11:47
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lenoon posted:Gonna spread the Gita so hard even the pope will be named Arjuna. lenoon posted:lord of light mod  If the words "He never claimed to be a god, but then he never claimed not to be a god" do not appear somewhere in this expansion, Paradox, we will have WORDS (Lord of Light is one of my favorite books ever. True story: the fake movie that featured in the plot of Argo? In the real story, they used designs by Jack Kirby which were developed for a hypothetical Lord of Light film-slash-theme-park as material for the fake movie. Roger Zelazny and Jack Kirby helped rescue hostages.) DivineCoffeeBinge fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Jan 24, 2014 |
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Jan 24, 2014 11:55
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It'd be pretty perfect for a mod, eh? It's my favourite book of all time. Reincarnation is a point that they may cover in some sense. We already have literal demon children regrowing their testicles and being accompanied by mythical witches, so it's not far off.
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Jan 24, 2014 12:25
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I'm kinda excited about the expansion but wish they'd spend more time improving the current mechanics, rather than introducing more and more simple ones. Not gonna complain too much though, since both major non-total conversion mods already try to address that, and I barely play vanilla.
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Jan 24, 2014 12:51
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Averrences posted:After reading up on this - I'm definitely aiming to try a few of the Hindu rulers out. But I actually wonder whether Paradox will cover the more controversial aspects of Indian cultural life - I'm not talking about random events, but rather things that definitely happened that will most likely have an effect on gameplay. I don't see why it would be any more controversial than blots or holy wars. Hell, if people weren't offended by Hajj being in-game, I don't think anyone's feathers are going to be ruffled by a depiction of a historical funerary tradition. VVV: Technically, including the Hajj in the game is kind of trivialising and commercialising a holy act. I certainly didn't want to imply that it was something horrible like the blot or the Crusades, but the fact that including a real-life religious practice can be offensive in itself. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Jan 24, 2014 |
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Jan 24, 2014 14:26
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I don't see why it would be any more controversial than blots or holy wars. Hell, if people weren't offended by Hajj being in-game, I don't think anyone's feathers are going to be ruffled by a depiction of a historical funerary tradition. I agree with you, but why did you use Hajj as one of the examples? I there something about Hajj that I don't know about?
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Jan 24, 2014 15:09
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I don't see why it would be any more controversial than blots or holy wars. Hell, if people weren't offended by Hajj being in-game, I don't think anyone's feathers are going to be ruffled by a depiction of a historical funerary tradition. I think I read somewhere that Viking funerals included their wives or mistresses singing on the boat and happily going off into the sea where they faced a 100% chance of burning alive with the boat, but that wasn't included in TOG  .
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Jan 24, 2014 15:32
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EightDeer posted:Is the latest release of CK2+ compatible with SoA? Yes.
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Jan 24, 2014 15:56
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I clearly have too much time, because I put my mod on github. https://github.com/frozenyak/Sengoku You can now work on your crazy ideas whenever you want DStecks.
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Jan 24, 2014 16:40
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Mickey McKey posted:This is a big part of why I am excited: learning about somewhere new and non-european variety to a great game. Europe is a great, interesting, dynamic place for sure, but soem variety is always nice. Same. I can summarize broad strokes (and for certain countries, specific details) about European history mostly thanks to Paradox games. Seeing a person or country that caught my interest made me want to research it further. I didnt really understand what the HRE WAS until I played EU3. An excuse to do this for Asia will be great. Disco Infiva posted:I agree with you, but why did you use Hajj as one of the examples? I there something about Hajj that I don't know about? Probably because Muslims hold it in such esteem but its boiled down to a single decision, I can see the potential problem.
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Jan 24, 2014 16:55
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RagnarokAngel posted:Probably because Muslims hold it in such esteem but its boiled down to a single decision, I can see the potential problem. Well yes, it's one of the pillars of Islam, but that single decision starts a whole event chain that is pretty cool. It's not just -enact decision get 15 piety- Sorry if I sound surprised, but it really came out of nowhere for me.  Also, a good Litmus test for everything potentially problematic are Paradox forums. If they don't think that something is a problem, nobody will. 
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Jan 24, 2014 17:36
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RagnarokAngel posted:
As a Catholic I consider the inclusion of pilgrimages and the Papacy to be problematic and highly otherizing.  India sounds like a good choice for DLC although given how much content they're adding I bet we'll see a $10 price tag. I like to step away from CKII for a few months than come back so not only is everything cheaper but I get to enjoy all the newest updates etc all at once instead of gradually. Makes the game feel fresher. Also, 1200+ hours of Crusader Kings? I thought I was bad at 350...
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Jan 24, 2014 17:39
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Disco Infiva posted:Well yes, it's one of the pillars of Islam, but that single decision starts a whole event chain that is pretty cool. It's not just -enact decision get 15 piety- I love how overtly they're all posting "WHO CARES ABOUT INDIA THERE'S NO HISTORY THERE GIVE ME BUMFUCK NOWHERE IN EUROPE INSTEAD" without a shred of self-awareness. It's bonkers!
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Jan 24, 2014 17:40
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Beamed posted:I love how overtly they're all posting "WHO CARES ABOUT INDIA THERE'S NO HISTORY THERE GIVE ME BUMFUCK NOWHERE IN EUROPE INSTEAD" without a shred of self-awareness. It's bonkers! Oh God yes, I totally forgot to go there since the announcement yesterday, needs to be rectified immediately! Before I go bonkers, I must say that I am happy for Indian DLC and hope that they do it justice.
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Jan 24, 2014 17:47
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I am pretty excited about an India dlc, though I too don't know anything about Indian history. Where they as bad to women as Muslims were? I'd hate to get stuck with yet another Agnatic Open. But still the overall idea sounds cool, adding Buddhism is awesome, and war elephants. I still wouldn't mind a DLC focused entirely on events and stuff though. Just like the flavorful faffing about dlc. As one of the things I like from some of the mods are the amount of events and stuff they add. Makes peace more interesting and fun.
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Jan 24, 2014 18:12
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Beamed posted:I love how overtly they're all posting "WHO CARES ABOUT INDIA THERE'S NO HISTORY THERE GIVE ME BUMFUCK NOWHERE IN EUROPE INSTEAD" without a shred of self-awareness. It's bonkers! There's a few people out there who are concerned for valid reasons- performance being the primary one- but most of them are just 'Paradox why are you abandoning us Europeans don't you know that the Byzantines are too weak and they need at least 5 more expansions to make them truly great and how dare you now my people will BREED with INDIANS and it'll be awful and you tore away my ability to feel human.' Really, Paradox DLCs give me two times of enjoyment- first, when they're announced and the Paradox forums just freak (Sunset Invasion was the best for this), and two, when they release and I can actually enjoy them since they're quality.
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Jan 24, 2014 18:13
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I like the idea of an event and decision dlc to keep things fresh. What would be real nice is a cheapo DLC, or maybe even just a patch, to add some more flavor to some of the less appreciated religions. Orthodoxy and Shia in particular feel like stripped down versions of Catholicism and Sunni respectively. It would also be cool if they could flesh out the pagan religions that aren't Norse. It was a major let down when I played as Novogorod and all the cool events and traits just kind of stopped happening after Rurik died and his heirs went Slavic.
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Jan 24, 2014 18:22
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I also want to know how theyre going to handle the performance of the game. A map 50% bigger sounds great but I might not want to play this because the game is slow enough on my computer as is.
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Jan 24, 2014 18:26
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Seoinin posted:I like the idea of an event and decision dlc to keep things fresh. What would be real nice is a cheapo DLC, or maybe even just a patch, to add some more flavor to some of the less appreciated religions. Orthodoxy and Shia in particular feel like stripped down versions of Catholicism and Sunni respectively. It would also be cool if they could flesh out the pagan religions that aren't Norse. It was a major let down when I played as Novogorod and all the cool events and traits just kind of stopped happening after Rurik died and his heirs went Slavic. Yeah more decisions would be good too. I was surprised at how interesting Suomensuko is, but I'm not sure if that's VIET making it better or not. But theres a alot of stuff with the Hatje, speaking to your shaman, that kind of stuff. Still...not being Norse or Tengri feels like hard mode WRT pagans.
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Jan 24, 2014 18:28
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I made a Mongol Republic and my army absolutely fucks up against Normans. What can I mix into my (retinue-only) army to make it more effective? Should I just go horse archers+heavy cav?
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Jan 24, 2014 18:30
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Eimi posted:Yeah more decisions would be good too. I was surprised at how interesting Suomensuko is, but I'm not sure if that's VIET making it better or not. But theres a alot of stuff with the Hatje, speaking to your shaman, that kind of stuff. Still...not being Norse or Tengri feels like hard mode WRT pagans. Yeah, that's all VIET stuff, not base CK2.
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Jan 24, 2014 18:30
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EasternBronze posted:I also want to know how theyre going to handle the performance of the game. A map 50% bigger sounds great but I might not want to play this because the game is slow enough on my computer as is. I'd like to assume they've done some optimizations and it's not an issue, but late game slow-down has long been an (unresolved) issue, so maybe I'm too optimistic?
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Jan 24, 2014 18:32
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Piell posted:Yeah, that's all VIET stuff, not base CK2. Ah that's a shame. I liked all the stuff they added, especially the generic Pagan sacrifice. It gives some neat bonuses.
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Jan 24, 2014 18:35
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Count me for another person who just got the Gates of Hell event after nearly five hundred hours of play, now all I need is the Cthulu and Demon Child event. When I saw the option to sacrifice my eldest child I laughed out loud and of course you should do it no matter what. I did, it didn't work even with ninety percent chance to work but I did it anyway!
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Jan 24, 2014 18:38
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Eimi posted:Yeah more decisions would be good too. I was surprised at how interesting Suomensuko is, but I'm not sure if that's VIET making it better or not. But theres a alot of stuff with the Hatje, speaking to your shaman, that kind of stuff. Still...not being Norse or Tengri feels like hard mode WRT pagans. I want to like VIET because it gives Zoroastrianism a neat once-per-five-years decision like Ramadan/ Passover and adds great hunts to pretty much every religious group, but jesus christ something in that mod completely fucks up ruler faces on my end. Dudes with their mouths so high on their faces they clip through their mustaches, teeny tiny little pig eyes, that sort of thing. Horrifying. paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jan 24, 2014 |
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Jan 24, 2014 18:44
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Eimi posted:I am pretty excited about an India dlc, though I too don't know anything about Indian history. Where they as bad to women as Muslims were? I'd hate to get stuck with yet another Agnatic Open. To put on my :sperg: and white knight hats, Muslims were actually at least as good, if not better, to women than most Christian nations were for a good long while. Obviously things like polygamy aren't good, but the early Muslim rules on divorce, widow's shares, and things like that are arguably better for women than the situation in the west. (Both still were way worse for women than modern liberal societies, and I promise I'll stop derailing now)
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Seoinin posted:I want to like VIET because it gives Zoroastrianism a neat once-per-five-years decision like Ramadan/ Passover and adds great hunts to pretty much every religious group, but jesus christ something in that mod completely fucks up ruler faces on my end. Dudes with their mouths so high on their faces they clip through their mustaches, teeny tiny little pig eyes, that sort of thing. Horrifying. That's because you don't have all the portrait DLC's, so you have to do an extra step "If you do not have all the portrait DLCs, go to “Portrait DLC Fix” in the “Customization Options” folder and follow the instructions there. "
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