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That Telegraph cartoon. Was it really necessary to draw Rennard sexually assaulting Clegg? 
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Cloud Potato posted:Express: David Cameron and William Hague have ultimate control over newspaper headlines. A Good Cartoon.
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Jan 21, 2014 09:59
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There is a ghost slightly higher than Cameron reflected in that mirror.
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Jan 21, 2014 20:28
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TinTower posted:That Telegraph cartoon. Was it really necessary to draw Rennard sexually assaulting Clegg?  Having hold of somebody 'by the short and curlies' is an old saying for having a humiliating degree of power over somebody (and afaik, very rarely in a sexual sense). It's pretty crude to refer to a real sexual assault by means of a metaphorical one, but it sends a very strong (and unflattering) message with regards to Rennard's position within the party. Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jan 21, 2014 |
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Jan 21, 2014 20:42
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BastardySkull posted:There is a ghost slightly higher than Cameron reflected in that mirror. A balding ghost.
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Jan 21, 2014 20:44
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Kegluneq posted:
Oh, come off it, it's very clearly a rape joke.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:09
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TinTower posted:Oh, come off it, it's very clearly a rape joke. No it isn't. Idiom; Got you by the balls. Meaning - got you so you can't move or quit or back out. Example - If you signed the contract, they've got you by the balls.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:11
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Fluo posted:No it isn't. What part of "you're touching me inappropriately" is not a rape joke? It's both.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:13
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SedanChair posted:What part of "you're touching me inappropriately" is not a rape joke? quote:Rape I see him having him by his short and curlies, not putting his dick inside him. quote:have by the short and curlies
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Jan 21, 2014 22:14
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loving hell it's obviously both, which still makes it poo poo.Fluo posted:I see him having him by his short and curlies, not putting his dick inside him. The poo poo bit is how Clegg's been written 
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Jan 21, 2014 22:14
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mfcrocker posted:The poo poo bit is how Clegg's been written That would be groping, not rape.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:16
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Fluo: wrong on anti-Asian caricatures, wrong on Stephen Collins, wrong on rape. Wrong for the people.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:17
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SedanChair posted:Fluo: wrong on anti-Asian caricatures, wrong on Stephen Collins, wrong on rape. Wrong for the people. That Steve Bell cartoon where you had to zoom in 400times to see the pixels and to see it was eyebrows? I like Stephen Collins so I'm wrong there? oh ok. Holding someone by the balls = groping = sexual assault, but you claim it's rape now adays? haha ok.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:22
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Women obviously can't rape men, because the crime of rape only applies to penile penetration. —Fluo, 21st January 2014. TinTower fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Jan 21, 2014 |
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Jan 21, 2014 22:24
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Know when to back down, Fluo.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:37
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John Charity Spring posted:Know when to back down, Fluo. Sexual assault is bad, Rape is bad but they are different things, stop straw manning.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:40
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Sexual Offences Act, 2003 - Section 1 (Rape) posted:Rape So in England and Wales, no, a woman cannot commit rape.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:47
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TinTower posted:Women obviously can't rape men, because the crime of rape only applies to penile penetration. mfcrocker posted:The poo poo bit is how Clegg's been written Not sure exactly why they're being portrayed as Laurel and Hardy specifically though. 
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Jan 21, 2014 23:31
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Kegluneq posted:Rape is always a sexual assault, but not all sexual assaults are rape? "It's not a rape joke because it's about sexual assault" is hair-splitting of the most banal variety.
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Jan 21, 2014 23:44
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Kegluneq posted:Yeah, this. The 'joke' to me seems to be that Rennard has Clegg by the balls, as per the old saying, but that Clegg is presenting this as sexual harassment because that's somehow less embarrassing. I don't know if it's meant to be less embarrassing, reads more like trying to mock the victims ("they'll call anything sexual harrassment these days") and emasculate Clegg at the same time
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Jan 22, 2014 00:06
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Kegluneq posted:Not sure exactly why they're being portrayed as Laurel and Hardy specifically though. He's clearly saying Clegg and Rennard are a couple of clowns. Clegg is skinny and Rennard is fat, that's it. Crashbee fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Jan 22, 2014 |
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Jan 22, 2014 00:14
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TinTower posted:"It's not a rape joke because it's about sexual assault" is hair-splitting of the most banal variety. baka kaba posted:I don't know if it's meant to be less embarrassing, reads more like trying to mock the victims ("they'll call anything sexual harrassment these days") and emasculate Clegg at the same time
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Jan 22, 2014 00:16
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One does question why the legal distinction is particularly important - it doesn't magically change it to be not a really loving lovely cartoon
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Jan 22, 2014 00:43
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Kegluneq posted:Given that they are legally distinct things, not really. I mean, it's not like one is reprehensible but the other isn't or something. If you view groping as rape then there isn't much room to move from there I guess. But it's a metaphor for him 'having Clegg by the balls' which is about power, like you said. It's implying that Rennard is making Clegg's political life hell, and Clegg is desperately throwing around sexual harrassment allegations to attack him - which has been the common response to this whole thing, that Rennard 'wasn't doing anything sexual at all' and that the women were just making something out of nothing, misreading things, making serious allegations as a way of destroying him etc. It pretty clearly feeds in to that whole 'victims are liars and use sexual assault claims as a weapon' rape apology line And really, it's not helpful getting all legal about the definition of rape when people are talking about rape culture. There isn't a clear dividing line that separates sexual assault and rape into two completely different issues. A joke that belittles victims and paints accusations as a punchline is part of the whole, entire, problem baka kaba fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jan 22, 2014 |
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Jan 22, 2014 00:47
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Guardian: "Steve Bell on evidence of 'systematic killing' in Syria – Documents smuggled out of country may only be the tip of the iceberg, say international aid agencies" Telegraph:  Rennard set to take legal action over Lib Dem suspension Independent:  Times:  Mail: "Women Lib-Dems are threatening to sue Lord Rennard over improper sexual behaviour towards them."  quote:“Oh come on, Mother. How are you going to prove Lloyd George pinched your bottom?” Express:  David Beckham to appear in Only Fools and Horses
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baka kaba posted:And really, it's not helpful getting all legal about the definition of rape when people are talking about rape culture. There isn't a clear dividing line that separates sexual assault and rape into two completely different issues. A joke that belittles victims and paints accusations as a punchline is part of the whole, entire, problem Cloud Potato posted:Guardian: 
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Jan 22, 2014 07:27
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Guardian: "Martin Rowson on the Syria peace talks - Little sign of constructive action in Syrian peace talks despite Ban Ki-moon's call to seize 'fragile chance'" Telegraph:  UK unemployment rate drops to 7.1% Independent:  Times:  Mail: "There has been a significant increase in the numbers of men in their late twenties and early thirties still living with their parents."  quote:“When you said come back to my place, I didn’t know you were still living with your parents.” Express: 
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Jan 23, 2014 08:29
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Cloud Potato posted:Guardian: Was watching some of the stuff yesterday, it was depressing and they just went on a propaganda ramble at each other.      This weeks IF... about Benefit Street. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkrX5J73Vi4 Fluo fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Jan 23, 2014 |
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Jan 23, 2014 10:13
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Guardian: "Steve Bell on IDS and Benefits Street - Work and pensions secretary gives speech denigrating Labour's record and claiming welfare reforms are working" Telegraph:  David Cameron 'open minded' on Syrian refugees, says No 10 Independent:  After Kurt Hutton. Times:  Davos 2014: US says businesses should be 'cautious' over Iran Mail: "Yet another sex scandal hits the Lib-Dems."  quote:“Ooh look at that tattoo, Ingrid. It says vote Lib-Dem.” Express: 
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Jan 24, 2014 01:30
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Nothing like a couple bottles of badger wine to get the night going.
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Jan 24, 2014 05:12
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That's either some used bog roll or the world's longest pair of socks on the ground. Maybe they're judges' wigs?
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Jan 24, 2014 14:13
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Junior G-man posted:That's either some used bog roll or the world's longest pair of socks on the ground. They're probably meant to be stockings. I don't know any middle-aged women that wear opaque black and white striped stockings, though.
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Jan 24, 2014 16:07
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Guardian: "Martin Rowson on David Cameron and rising incomes – PM says take-home pay is rising, but IFS boss says incomes will not hit pre-recession levels before next election" Telegraph:  Independent:  After Jan Brueghel the Elder. Times:  Stephen Collins: 
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Jan 25, 2014 16:22
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I'd ask what the hell BOB is on about this time, but I don't really care. He's probably worse than Thomas in a lot of ways, and that's saying something. I guess he's not a xenophobe at least? And why's Gideon pointing at his toes...
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Jan 25, 2014 18:28
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Observer: "Crisis? What crisis? - Chris Riddell on the prime minister's confidence and the governor of the Bank of England's caution" Sunday Telegraph: 
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Jan 26, 2014 01:47
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Cloud Potato posted:Sunday Telegraph: Ugh the Telegraph cartoons are so relentlessly partisan, every cartoon this week has been a criticism of Labour or a jibe at the Lib Dems, at least Bell and Rowson were equally harsh to Labour when they were in power. Cloud Potato posted:Telegraph: I mean can someone explain this? Other than "Tories sensible, Labour irresponsible" I have no idea, the scene (set at a border crossing?) and strange clothing seems to imply some kind of tv show or something.
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Jan 26, 2014 02:03
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Clapham Omnibus posted:Ugh the Telegraph cartoons are so relentlessly partisan, every cartoon this week has been a criticism of Labour or a jibe at the Lib Dems, at least Bell and Rowson were equally harsh to Labour when they were in power. edit: vvvv Pretty much every stereotypical 'angry teenager' in tv-movies, soaps, and sitcoms from the 80s and 90s. It's so much of a trope that I don't think you can pinpoint a single one. If it's supposed to be a direct reference to one in particular it's passed me by. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jan 26, 2014 |
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Jan 26, 2014 02:14
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Well, obviously. The question is, does anyone get the reference it's making?
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Jan 26, 2014 18:49
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The most obvious "a thing happened" is Justin Bieber's DUI, and it would even fit the point Bob's trying to make. None of the specifics match though.
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Guardian: "Martin Rowson on Ed Balls and the 50p tax plan – Shadow chancellor emphasises that higher rate would be temporary after criticism from companies and ex-ministers" Telegraph:  Times:  Express: 
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