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gradenko_2000 posted:Iron Cross is the lovely HOI 2 mod that should be avoided at all costs. Only those whose courage pushes the bravery should even attempt to play Iron Cross.
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Wiz posted:Can't comment on any of your questions, but a couple previews from journalists who were at PdxCon can be found here and here if you're looking for some general info. Can you comment on when we'll see in-game screenshots? We got them with the first EU IV trailer IIRC.
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Wiz posted:Can't comment on any of your questions, but a couple previews from journalists who were at PdxCon can be found here and here if you're looking for some general info. Oh my god this sounds absolutely amazing. I do have one complaint though, please put anyone other than Douglas "literally the worst allied general" MacArthur as the US general on the box art. 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh my god this sounds absolutely amazing. I do have one complaint though, please put anyone other than Douglas "literally the worst allied general" MacArthur as the US general on the box art. I don't really see how we could leave Emperor McArthur of Japan out of the cover. Japan was an important country in WW2.
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What MacArthur lacks in basically every other department, he makes up for by being batshit crazy and having a badass corncob pipe. For real though, Patton is the better one for the cover if you're going to go for iconic, prima donna American generals. And no Yamamoto?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh my god this sounds absolutely amazing. I do have one complaint though, please put anyone other than Douglas "literally the worst allied general" MacArthur as the US general on the box art.  
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Jan 27, 2014 22:17
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So can I get a quick history lesson on why MacArthur was incompetent?
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Kavak posted:So can I get a quick history lesson on why MacArthur was incompetent? A lot of the crazy comes from Korean War time frame where he openly advocated dropping nukes everywhere
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Jan 27, 2014 22:27
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Kavak posted:So can I get a quick history lesson on why MacArthur was incompetent? MacArthur was pretty rad, but he was definitely a World War general.
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:A lot of the crazy comes from Korean War time frame where he openly advocated dropping nukes everywhere Well then it's not fair to apply it to him in a WWII game, is it? I'm fine with replacing him with Lt. Sobel, though.
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The industry mechanic where you produce x tanks to send into the front line sounds like it has been designed purely to measure the effect of strategic bombing campaigns.
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Kavak posted:So can I get a quick history lesson on why MacArthur was incompetent? Off the top of my head he completely mismanaged the defense of the Philippines, was a complete poser during Bataan (his "I shall return" speech was broadcast from Australia and he never left his command tent so the GIs called him "Dugout Doug") and his pissing contest with Nimitz made communications during the Leyte Gulf landings convoluted enough to indirectly contribute to letting the Japanese fleet slip through to Taffy 3. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jan 27, 2014 |
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I remember reading it being mentioned in brief in the highly academic WWII history book The Pacific that according to prewar planning for a war with Japan, American forces in the Philippines would withdraw to Bataan and hold there until they could be reinforced. Douglas MacArthur decided "gently caress it, we'll defend the whole of Luzon" and so facilities and supplies were positioned all over the island, only to be abandoned when war broke out and they withdrew to Bataan anyway. Needless to say this made their supply situation a lot more hosed than it had to be. I forget the specifics, but I believe the Far East Airforce had a fairly decent complement of modern fighters and bombers too, except MacArthur pretty much let them be destroyed on the ground even though he had plenty of notice war had broken out and he should be ready for that kind of thing.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh my god this sounds absolutely amazing. I do have one complaint though, please put anyone other than Douglas "literally the worst allied general" MacArthur as the US general on the box art. Yeah, Patton, Ike or Bradley makes more sense. I think Eisenhower would probably be least controversial.
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Kavak posted:So can I get a quick history lesson on why MacArthur was incompetent? Many point to the defense of the Philippines as his greatest fault but he was never going to be able to hold out there anyway. Really his biggest fault there is that he didn't issue some orders quickly enough and due to the delay the heavy bombers he had were caught refueling on the ground. As another poster noted he caused the complicated split command in the south pacific because he wanted to run the whole war instead of the navy. What is really his biggest fault is that he saw only what he wanted to see. Time and time again he ignores all intelligence reports that disagree with what his gut tells him is there. Time and time again he is proven wrong to a hilarious degree. Reading the planning stage for any battle he was involved with always include something along these lines, "intelligence reported x number of troops in an area while macarthur believed there was 1/10th of x enemy troops there; the intelligence report would later be shown to be highly accurate." He also ignored reports stating Leyte was worthless for building airfields (it was) and invaded the island rather than leave its garrison to rot. He proclaimed the battle of Manila as a US victory a month before the city was actually cleared and once it is, beelines to his old house where he proudly writes back to his wife that their silverware is still there. I don't recall his dislodgement of Yamashita from the mountains in the north of Luzon as being done particularly well but I'd have to actually pull a book out for that. And after all that he's made the commander of Olympic and once again proceeds to woefully under-guess the number of defenders on Kyushu. There's also a comedic moment after the Japanese announce their surrender where he thinks his title of Supreme Allied Commander actually grants him authority over soviet troops (it doesn't) and he orders them to end the invasion of Manchuria (they don't).
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Raskolnikov38 posted:And after all that he's made the commander of Olympic and once again proceeds to woefully under-guess the number of defenders on Kyushu. There's also a comedic moment after the Japanese announce their surrender where he thinks his title of Supreme Allied Commander actually grants him authority over soviet troops (it doesn't) and he orders them to end the invasion of Manchuria (they don't). Point made. Now all I can think of is the kind of black comedy martial law in the US would be like under him in Kaiserreich.
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Was it Steppewolfe that had modern day Japan ruled by Emperor MacArthur? Good times.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:And after all that he's made the commander of Olympic and once again proceeds to woefully under-guess the number of defenders on Kyushu. There's also a comedic moment after the Japanese announce their surrender where he thinks his title of Supreme Allied Commander actually grants him authority over soviet troops (it doesn't) and he orders them to end the invasion of Manchuria (they don't). I loving love MacArthur stories. 
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Cantorsdust posted:Was it Steppewolfe that had modern day Japan ruled by Emperor MacArthur? Good times. Yes it was. If you started in 1945 Emperor MacArthur could rule for decades.
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Not to detract from Emperor MacArthur of Japan (Hey look part of the new world looks like japan totally on tangent!) I know that a lot of problems with CoP's randomize feature comes from how flat the land is and how it likes to bunch a billion natives together, but I'm actually pretty impressed with my first serious exploration of it. I really like the shape of the bottom right continent, especially the bays and the like. So.. when is this going to be a thing in every paradox game?
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Do you actually have a monitor with a resolution that huge or something? How do you guys get such gigantic screen-caps??? evvv: Thanks! MLKQUOTEMACHINE fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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nutranurse posted:Do you actually have a monitor with a resolution that huge or something? How do you guys get such gigantic screen-caps??? F10 saves your current map mode at that size.
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Westminster System posted:
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Well guys I don't know about you, but I'm ready for the true greatest strategy game ever. 
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HoI 4 sounds very good. I like that paradox has finally acknowledged that no one ever plays in terrain mode. The production system sounds like a good compromise between the spergy "I need to control how many roadwheels my panzers have" and the necessities of grand strategy. If the battleplan system works as advertised, it is going to be amazing.
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I hope that history is a little less... random and loose in HOI 4 than it is in HOI3, and that you can make and leak fake plans to people to throw them off and create openings for yourself.
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Hi thread. I think it's been a year or so since I last asked this question, so it's time to ask again: Is HOI3 playable yet?
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ArchangeI posted:HoI 4 sounds very good. I like that paradox has finally acknowledged that no one ever plays in terrain mode. The production system sounds like a good compromise between the spergy "I need to control how many roadwheels my panzers have" and the necessities of grand strategy. If the battleplan system works as advertised, it is going to be amazing. The battleplan system seems awesome and it also seems like it's designed specifically to punish Hitler's tendency to flail around and completely rewrite his entire campaign strategy every three months like clockwork.
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Earwicker posted:Is HOI3 playable yet?
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Gorgo Primus posted:I hope that history is a little less... random and loose in HOI 4 than it is in HOI3, and that you can make and leak fake plans to people to throw them off and create openings for yourself. Everything reads like HoI 4 will be less railroaded, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
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ArchangeI posted:Everything reads like HoI 4 will be less railroaded, so I wouldn't hold my breath. I'm not so sure, the one example of that is re-introducing the Munich crisis event as it was in HoI2.
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I had a lot of trouble getting into HOI after 2. The original is still my favorite due to the much simpler game mechanics (even if the AI was incapable of an invasion by sea). 2 was quite good as well, with a much nicer looking map and a fun combat system. I still have no idea how to play 3. I have tried, and I still cannot fathom it. I might just be in the minority that enjoys an easy to understand historical war game over an incredibly detailed, impossibly complicated mess. edit: and the tech system just kept getting more and more absurdly detailed. Concerned Citizen fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:I might just be in the minority that enjoys an easy to understand historical war game over an incredibly detailed, impossibly complicated mess. Nope, most everyone in this thread prefers HOI2/Darkest Hour for precisely that reason. HOI3 runs well as a piece of software, but really has a lot of issues as a game. VVVVV I could really do without having to deal with the Theater HQ -> Army Group HQ -> Army HQ -> Corps HQ system. It's all just a bunch of extra counters to push. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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One thing I want for HOI4 - please start the game with sensible OOBs! A game as NatChina started you with every unit under the direct control of the theatre HQ.
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gradenko_2000 posted:VVVVV I could really do without having to deal with the Theater HQ -> Army Group HQ -> Army HQ -> Corps HQ system. It's all just a bunch of extra counters to push. This is what I dislike most about HoI3 as well and I pray it doesn't make a return in HoI4.
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Dibujante posted:The battleplan system seems awesome and it also seems like it's designed specifically to punish Hitler's tendency to flail around and completely rewrite his entire campaign strategy every three months like clockwork. Well the obvious (I hope) way to make Land Doctrine 'A Thing' again in HOI would be for national doctrines to give nations specific bonuses attached to battleplans (among other things). So the Brits maybe get a bigger bonus than usual if you spend a whole month planning a massive set-piece battle with creeping barrages all over the place. The Germans on the other hand get a blitzkrieg bonus that means their Panzer and Motorised divisions can change direction almost on a whim and still get their bonuses. There's a lot of potential there not just for this to be a better system ('orders delay' is something that should always have been on the army level rather than the individual unit level') but for it to really make national armies unique and distinct again.
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Drone posted:Are you really asking how clicking a button that says "TAKE BERLIN" and then watching your armies do the work for you is different than actually managing a front at the divisional level, taking individual gambles and thinking tactically as well as strategically? Its like you are reading my mind. We wanted to fully target HoI4 to the super casual market so really the whole battle plan system is a series of large red buttons like "TAKE BERLIN", "FIND MY STALINGRAD", "BOMB LONDON", "CONSTRUCT LARGE ZOO FOR GOERING". And you can just sit back and watch The Real Housewives and chew down doritos while the game plays itself. (Been a while since I was on the SA forums. Its very relaxing  )
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podcat posted:Its like you are reading my mind. We wanted to fully target HoI4 to the super casual market so really the whole battle plan system is a series of large red buttons like "TAKE BERLIN", "FIND MY STALINGRAD", "BOMB LONDON", "CONSTRUCT LARGE ZOO FOR GOERING". And you can just sit back and watch The Real Housewives and chew down doritos while the game plays itself. I've never been a fan of HoI, but even I thought this was hilarious. quote:So basically Paradox doesn't want us controlling our own armies because the COD and Mass Effect players can't handle a grand strategy game. They want pretty little dotted lines and arrows so Johnny Casual Gamer can feel like a 5-star general when he's watching the AI shuffle his troops around for him. drat YOU, JOHNNY CASUAL! 
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Darkrenown posted:That guy is either the worst or best poster on our forums. Non-stop posts of that quality. Please add a five star field general named Johnny 'Five Aces' Casual to Hearts of Iron 4. Thanks in advance.
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