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Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



Can anyone share that website where you can copy a Facebook post but it alters the names?

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dphi
Jul 9, 2001
Social Fixer

stan worship
Oct 23, 2013

Vulich the Subtle posted:

Oh boy another Facebook altercation. One of my friends is an Anglophile and has been drinking the Thatcher Kool-Aid most of his lifetime. He's also a big fan of the UKIP, but that's not what I brought for you today.



I'm red, my friend is green, this other dude is pink or whatever. I'm colorblind, why did I choose those colors.

"douchebaggery demands ad-hominem attacks."

He ironically proved himself right...

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
Beezlebub. The short-lived Marvel off-shoot series in the early 90's about a clone of Wolverine's. While this Bobby Knuckles character's ghetto demeanor put most white readers off, he accurately plotted the career course of rappers such as Snoop Dogg, and the advent of 2chainz, portrayed in the comic as a wizard with powerful magic and little control, ironically named LMFAO. Cited as major inspiration by 50 Cent, Waka Flocka Flame, and 311.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011
Sometimes, I really, really just want to stab people right in their stupid faces. I posted a thing on Facebook about how the tipping system is poo poo and we should move to a system where waitstaff (and other profession)'s wages aren't dependent on their customers not being utter fuckfaces.

Of course, the loving Libertarian I know posts "I don't tip."

:suicide:

Rexicon1
Oct 9, 2007

A Shameful Path Led You Here

Magres posted:

Sometimes, I really, really just want to stab people right in their stupid faces. I posted a thing on Facebook about how the tipping system is poo poo and we should move to a system where waitstaff (and other profession)'s wages aren't dependent on their customers not being utter fuckfaces.

Of course, the loving Libertarian I know posts "I don't tip."

:suicide:

Tipping is a hosed up institution because it reflects the ruling class belief that peoples livelihood is dependent on whether or not you deem them worthy enough. Tipping is literally serfdom.

Kugyou no Tenshi
Nov 8, 2005

We can't keep the crowd waiting, can we?

Magres posted:

Sometimes, I really, really just want to stab people right in their stupid faces. I posted a thing on Facebook about how the tipping system is poo poo and we should move to a system where waitstaff (and other profession)'s wages aren't dependent on their customers not being utter fuckfaces.

Of course, the loving Libertarian I know posts "I don't tip."

:suicide:

Well, of course not. Tipping would indicate to the plebian that their choice of career is viable, rather than encouraging them through crippling poverty to find a better career, perhaps in investment banking, law, or engineering? I mean, they made it on their own, with no one but their parents paying their entire college tuition to help them, so why can't that other person?

Rexicon1 posted:

Tipping is a hosed up institution because it reflects the ruling class belief that peoples livelihood is dependent on whether or not you deem them worthy enough. Tipping is literally serfdom.

The idea that a person can be paid lower-than-minimum wage based on the possibility that they might get enough tips to bring them above it has always been abhorrent, right up there with the law that allows businesses to pay employees with disabilities a lower wage based on the employer's assessment of how much work they can do. Which has led to some businesses paying workers as little as 22 cents an hour, with little oversight regarding whether or not the assessment is actually valid.

Kugyou no Tenshi fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Jan 28, 2014

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
In most developed countries, wait staff are paid at least minimum wage and then tipping is what it's intended to be? i.e. You can give a tip if you think they did a really good job but it's not expected, right?

shalcar
Oct 21, 2009

At my signal, DEAL WITH IT.
Taco Defender

RagnarokAngel posted:

In most developed countries, wait staff are paid at least minimum wage and then tipping is what it's intended to be? i.e. You can give a tip if you think they did a really good job but it's not expected, right?

In Australia at least, tipping is done rarely if at all and any tips are pooled to be split amongst all the staff. Waitpeople are paid a decent wage at higher end establishments and they get penalty rates (So double time on Sundays, Triple time on public holidays etc).

e: I should note the minimum wage here is around $17 an hour.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

RagnarokAngel posted:

In most developed countries, wait staff are paid at least minimum wage and then tipping is what it's intended to be? i.e. You can give a tip if you think they did a really good job but it's not expected, right?

Yes. The way it works in my country is that wait staff are paid minimum wage, then management can either add a 10% service charge to the bill which by law has to be distributed to the wait staff (and you can still tip on top of that), or they don't and the customer may or not tip because the wait staff still gets paid minimum wage even if you don't.

The first time I read about how labor was structured in the US I was fairly shocked (on top of the lack of things like maternity leaves, vacation leaves, sick days, overtime pay, allowances, and so on)

Magres
Jul 14, 2011

Rexicon1 posted:

Tipping is a hosed up institution because it reflects the ruling class belief that peoples livelihood is dependent on whether or not you deem them worthy enough. Tipping is literally serfdom.

I know - I hate the tipping system and will happily rant just about any day of the week about how terrible it is.

At the same time, it's a system we are unfortunately stuck with at the moment, and not tipping is scummy because it's become part of the expected price of restaurant food, and not tipping is actively stealing money from the waitstaff at an establishment. Tipping vs not tipping (in modern America), tipping is the lesser of two evils. I'm actually having that discussion with someone else on Facebook who got the impression that I'm pro-tipping because I've been railing on this Libertarian moron that he needs to stop being a sack of scum and tip.

At one point I used Humble Bundles as an example (for anyone who doesn't know, Humble Bundles are when game developers, through Humble Bundle Inc, put packages of their games up for sale for whatever price you feel like paying for them - they're great bargains even if you pay like twenty bucks a bundle for them, not to mention that large chunks of the money go to charitable organizations), and said that not tipping is like buying Humble Bundles for a penny each.

He immediately started defending buying Humble Bundles for a penny each.


I just can't win. :negative:

Magres fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Jan 28, 2014

Glimm
Jul 27, 2005

Time is only gonna pass you by

Magres posted:

He immediately started defending buying Humble Bundles for a penny each.

I just can't win. :negative:

This person is just a loving rear end in a top hat.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011

Glimm posted:

This person is just a loving rear end in a top hat.

Yeah I started arguing with a lot more hostility at that point. Waiting to hear back from him, I haven't quite yet gone into my diatribe about what a scum sucking swine he is quite yet. I'd rather let him dig himself deeper first :unsmigghh:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Magres posted:

Yeah I started arguing with a lot more hostility at that point. Waiting to hear back from him, I haven't quite yet gone into my diatribe about what a scum sucking swine he is quite yet. I'd rather let him dig himself deeper first :unsmigghh:
The nice thing about an-caps is that they are usually the biggest examples of why their system wouldn't work and would instantly turn into an exploitative pile of poo poo.

:ancap:: No, see, the Randian employer and consumer would apportion wealth rationally in proportion to the value obtained *advocates paying people a penny an hour*

Magres
Jul 14, 2011

Guavanaut posted:

The nice thing about an-caps is that they are usually the biggest examples of why their system wouldn't work and would instantly turn into an exploitative pile of poo poo.

:ancap:: No, see, the Randian employer and consumer would apportion wealth rationally in proportion to the value obtained *advocates paying people a penny an hour*

I actually opened trying to appeal to that kind of thinking - my first argument was that by not tipping at a restaurant, you help drive away skilled waitstaff who will then be replaced with less qualified individuals, thus degrading your own future enjoyment of that restaurant after the service has gone to poo poo.

The problem, as I discovered, with that is that an-caps are imbeciles. He literally just did not seem to comprehend the idea that his behavior impacts the world around him, so I switched over to trying to bludgeon him to death with that idea with a moral/ethical argument.

A Wheezy Steampunk
Jul 16, 2006

High School Grads Eligible!
It's time for a Classic Conspiracy Theory!

I almost forgot Moon Truthers were a thing:

quote:



"This flimsy capsule was home to 3 men on Apollo 11 - a mission that took 8 days including 21 and a half hours on the lunar surface. How much heat, fluid and oxygen is needed for 8 days of travel for 3 men? Space is EXTREMELY cold. Have you seen the SIZE of an oxgyen tank for an hour's dive? Does this capsule look big enough to hold enough oxygen for THREE men for 8 DAYS? What about its internal HE...AT - how was it POWERED - by what fuel? Again, is there enough storage space for THAT much fuel to provide heat? THINK about water too - how much water for 3 men for 8 days? Ideally, 2 litres of water is needed per person per day = 42 litres of water. Then, there's FOOD. What about radiation protection? There was NONE. This capsule is what they travelled to the Moon And back in, apparently."

:eng99:

A Wheezy Steampunk fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jan 28, 2014

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

It was pretty dumb of them to fly the Eagle all the way from Earth to the Moon.

I would have used a Saturn V rocket.

A Wheezy Steampunk
Jul 16, 2006

High School Grads Eligible!

VitalSigns posted:

It was pretty dumb of them to fly the Eagle all the way from Earth to the Moon.

I would have used a Saturn V rocket.

The one accurate part is the first half of the first sentence, the LEM was actually pretty flimsy. As they were building it, they had to be careful not to drop their tools because it would punch a hole in the floor. :v:

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall
Why do truthers not try to learn how heat conduction works?

It's loving space, where is all the heat going to go? You don't need heating beyond a basic balance to radiation, right?

shalcar
Oct 21, 2009

At my signal, DEAL WITH IT.
Taco Defender

Spangly A posted:

Why do truthers not try to learn how heat conduction works?

It's loving space, where is all the heat going to go? You don't need heating beyond a basic balance to radiation, right?

If you think their understanding of thermodynamic properties goes beyond "When it's cold outside, I get cold quickly -> Space is even colder than outside -> Anything in space must need super heating to not freeze instantly" then you are sadly mistaken.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Being as it's so unbelievably cold, I wonder if there was a way for them to store oxygen in a form that is more compact than a dive tank.

Their logic doesn't even act consistently with itself.

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



So someone from my fencing school has some very interesting (read: gross) opinions on how women dress, feminism, personal responsibility, and rape. Namely that if you dress a certain way, you can expect to get raped because reasons, and it's all your fault because testosterone.

edit: It gets a little confusing, but Marion Gaze is Anna Lytics. Not sure why it changed his name.

















Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jan 28, 2014

Magres
Jul 14, 2011

Guavanaut posted:

Being as it's so unbelievably cold, I wonder if there was a way for them to store oxygen in a form that is more compact than a dive tank.

Their logic doesn't even act consistently with itself.

They don't think that hard, I promise.

Air takes lots of space, ergo having air means you need lots of space.


That is their logic, full stop.

Edmund Lava
Sep 8, 2004

Hey, I'm from Brooklyn. I'm going to call myself Mr. Friendly.

clockwork sundial posted:

It's time for a Classic Conspiracy Theory!

I almost forgot Moon Truthers were a thing:


:eng99:

I've only met one moon landing denialist in real life, and the one thing he stumped me on at the time was the whole radiation protection issue. I thought that was actually an interesting point. Then I learned of all the lovely things that happens to astronauts because of radiation exposure :smith:

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Magres posted:

I actually opened trying to appeal to that kind of thinking - my first argument was that by not tipping at a restaurant, you help drive away skilled waitstaff who will then be replaced with less qualified individuals, thus degrading your own future enjoyment of that restaurant after the service has gone to poo poo.

The problem, as I discovered, with that is that an-caps are imbeciles. He literally just did not seem to comprehend the idea that his behavior impacts the world around him, so I switched over to trying to bludgeon him to death with that idea with a moral/ethical argument.

Since the theory of tipping is that a part of the server's wage is left to the discretion of the customer to encourage better service, if your friend is a Randroid, ask him what Dagny Taggart would think of someone who felt entitled to receive professional, competent service without paying for it.

It's really no different from hiring a person to do the job with the promise of pay afterwards based on quality, then saying "nope, not good enough, you get zero" regardless.

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

clockwork sundial posted:

It's time for a Classic Conspiracy Theory!

I almost forgot Moon Truthers were a thing:


:eng99:
There's a great standup bit (can't remember the guy's name, but he was in one of the Nerdist podcast's specials) where the guy basically says that the only way to deal with conspiracy theorists is to just out-crazy them.

"Hey man, the moon landing was totally faked! Look at the photos! No stars!"
"Wait, you believe in the MOON?!?!?! What are you, six?!"

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

Dirty Job posted:

So someone from my fencing school has some very interesting (read: gross) opinions on how women dress, feminism, personal responsibility, and rape. Namely that if you dress a certain way, you can expect to get raped because reasons, and it's all your fault because testosterone.

edit: It gets a little confusing, but Marion Gaze is Anna Lytics. Not sure why it changed his name.



















People says feminists hate and dehumanize men.

And literally compare them to vicious animals like bears.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011

VitalSigns posted:

Since the theory of tipping is that a part of the server's wage is left to the discretion of the customer to encourage better service, if your friend is a Randroid, ask him what Dagny Taggart would think of someone who felt entitled to receive professional, competent service without paying for it.

It's really no different from hiring a person to do the job with the promise of pay afterwards based on quality, then saying "nope, not good enough, you get zero" regardless.

Honestly, the whole thing just became beyond worth the effort and frustration. My mom has entered the fray and delivered a smackdown :3:

How I'm feeling right now. My mom is vastly better at berating people than I am (I'm bad with words in general) and stepped in and laid out a really solid, aggressively passive-aggressive berating.



I could burst right now, my mom rocks so much sometimes.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Magres posted:

Honestly, the whole thing just became beyond worth the effort and frustration. My mom has entered the fray and delivered a smackdown :3:

How I'm feeling right now. My mom is vastly better at berating people than I am (I'm bad with words in general) and stepped in and laid out a really solid, aggressively passive-aggressive berating.



I could burst right now, my mom rocks so much sometimes.

Hahah goddamn.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Your mom is awesome. You should show her this thread so she can berate you for wasting your life mocking e-mail forwards on the internet with we* self-important social misfits.

*Us?

Magres
Jul 14, 2011
It'd be 'us' cause you don't do something with we, you do it with us.


She can be immensely infuriating sometimes (I do not ever talk politics with her, she has a really weird line of politics that is kind of Liberal with a lot of latent racism that she cannot bring herself to acknowledge, and god help the person who suggests she's being racist because she will take the ragecannon in that picture, dial it up from 6 to 10, and smash you into the wall, but that's a whole other can of worms), but she's mine, she's really great on the whole, and I love her to bits.

Honestly, I really, really want the an-cap to respond. My mom has waited tables, tended bar, and worked sales in her life and fully understands just how lovely and soul crushing service industry is and will shank a mofo for suggesting that service industry deserves anything less than a comfortable living wage. I'll screenshot the whole thing and post it all once it is done, because god this is going to be glorious if he responds and she continues to hammer him into the dirt.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

VitalSigns posted:

Your mom is awesome. You should show her this thread so she can berate you for wasting your life mocking e-mail forwards on the internet with we* self-important social misfits.

*Us?

I wish I could buy my dad an account so I can spare him from getting his internet kicks from reading public comments on news articles, but I have no idea how to broach the subject :ohdear: He's an old-school leftist that got me all into Marx and I think he'd fit right in D&D, but I'm afraid the generic internet is turning him into a truther.

===

Content: Aunt posts an image of a quote from Lincoln. Takes me about 30 seconds to Snopes it

Me: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln/prosperity.asp - not actually said by Lincoln
Aunt: Thanks gradenko! I still like it - whoever said it!

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

shalcar posted:

If you think their understanding of thermodynamic properties goes beyond "When it's cold outside, I get cold quickly -> Space is even colder than outside -> Anything in space must need super heating to not freeze instantly" then you are sadly mistaken.

And how about once they open that door - they let all their oxygen get out and all the cold get in? Check mate. :smug:

Magres
Jul 14, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

I wish I could buy my dad an account so I can spare him from getting his internet kicks from reading public comments on news articles, but I have no idea how to broach the subject :ohdear: He's an old-school leftist that got me all into Marx and I think he'd fit right in D&D, but I'm afraid the generic internet is turning him into a truther.

===

Content: Aunt posts an image of a quote from Lincoln. Takes me about 30 seconds to Snopes it

Me: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln/prosperity.asp - not actually said by Lincoln
Aunt: Thanks gradenko! I still like it - whoever said it!

This thread will cure him of trutherism. I prescribe :10bux:, stat.

Sir Rolo
Oct 16, 2012


Sorry I usually wait til the end of the week for these, but this was just too :stonk: not to share.

Staryberry
Oct 16, 2009

Guilty Spork posted:

There's a great standup bit (can't remember the guy's name, but he was in one of the Nerdist podcast's specials) where the guy basically says that the only way to deal with conspiracy theorists is to just out-crazy them.

"Hey man, the moon landing was totally faked! Look at the photos! No stars!"
"Wait, you believe in the MOON?!?!?! What are you, six?!"

I'm pretty sure this is the only way to deal with a moon conspiracy theorist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU

:allears: Oh Buzz. You're amazing.

Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing
Black Sorcery

Sir Rolo posted:



Sorry I usually wait til the end of the week for these, but this was just too :stonk: not to share.

I'd really like to know how someone can think to themselves "here is a huge diatribe against black people" and then follow it up with "we don't criticize black people".

Scruff McGruff
Feb 13, 2007

Jesus, kid, you're almost a detective. All you need now is a gun, a gut, and three ex-wives.
Sigh...



Edit: Also got this debate from another person on my facebook.


Scruff McGruff fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jan 28, 2014

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Cat Face Joe
Feb 20, 2005

goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes



My buddy's girlfriend is a huge moon landing denier. When pressed for a reason she claims there's a lot of convincing information out there. We were having a laugh about it the other day when he reveals he believes in loving chemtrails. I had to break it to him that moon landing denial is more legitimate since there was at least a reason to fake it (show those Reds who's best) while chemtrails is basically babby's first conspiracy theory.

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