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Grozz Nuy posted:Robinson and Landry are the two guys I like, and they're probably the best fits for the Niners offense of the group as well. Although now that I think about it, that may subconsciously influence the prospects I find myself liking in the first place. Landry looks good, but I really dislike Robinson for the Niners. Some combination (any two) of Landry, Davante Adams, Jared Abbrederis, Robert Herron and Martavis Bryant would be what I'd like to see. Give me two of those receivers, a good CB and Jimmie Ward, and I'll be happy.
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If it's worth anything Landry will probably be the dropper out of every tier 2 WR. He won't test well athletically. Odell Beckham Jr. on the other hand...
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Speaking about WR's What do you guys think about Benjamin? I saw his WR metrics and I really like him. Think he'll be around in the late first round? http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metrics
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SpclKen posted:Speaking about WR's What do you guys think about Benjamin? I saw his WR metrics and I really like him. He's huge and fast for a dude his size but I am always really wary about dudes who don't understand route-running coming out of school and he's had some drop problems in college. He's the best size-speed combo of the class but there's also considerable risk there, I'd expect him to end up in the late first unless somebody sees that he's 6'5" and runs a 4.5 and goes all Al Davis. Coldforge posted:Landry looks good, but I really dislike Robinson for the Niners. Some combination (any two) of Landry, Davante Adams, Jared Abbrederis, Robert Herron and Martavis Bryant would be what I'd like to see. I'm curious to hear why you don't like Robinson. I know the track record of Penn State skill position guys isn't great, but he's been hugely productive in college and he's big but still pretty fast and good out of his breaks. I like the way he makes guys miss but keeps moving upfield after the catch (Landry does that too) and I've seen him run a lot of routes that the Niners use with their WRs a lot.
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Grozz Nuy posted:I'm curious to hear why you don't like Robinson. I know the track record of Penn State skill position guys isn't great, but he's been hugely productive in college and he's big but still pretty fast and good out of his breaks. I like the way he makes guys miss but keeps moving upfield after the catch (Landry does that too) and I've seen him run a lot of routes that the Niners use with their WRs a lot. He's a guy who needs room to operate. If he has it, he's great, has amazing agility and good hands in open space. Does not seem to play well against tight, physical defense (which would be a problem for him as a Niner, obviously). SpclKen posted:Speaking about WR's What do you guys think about Benjamin? I saw his WR metrics and I really like him. Do not like him at all. Too raw, bad hands, bad routes. He uses his size well to box out smaller defenders, but otherwise doesn't really play like a 6'5" guy.
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SpclKen posted:Speaking about WR's What do you guys think about Benjamin? I saw his WR metrics and I really like him. He's got to learn to catch the ball better but the real knock on Benjamin is his football IQ, in which I think he doesn't have any. His route running was pretty much two routes and that rotoworld article echoes that, which also isn't that much of a knock I suppose since they're highly skilled routes to run. Seems a bit of a project like a slower Stephen Hill.
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McCarron will be really good in the NFL... eventually. Basically he's perfect for the Aaron Rodgers route: bury him behind a really good QB and have him know the offense like the back of his hand before he starts. If you just throw him in at any point his good decision making and experience will keep him from being a total catastrophe, but his strength is doing what coaches tell him to do safely and reliably, not trying to be a hero.
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Jan 30, 2014 21:25
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Rodgers seems like a terrible comparison because he has a way better arm than McCarron and a lot of his issues were his footwork and mechanics were causing him to lose velocity and accuracy. Rodgers sat so they could rework his mechanics, not the general sit him and teach him that seems to be echoed with the poor decision making QBs that get drafted every year. McCarrons knock is that he can't make every throw on the field and that his arm strength is far below average
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Diodeous posted:Rodgers seems like a terrible comparison because he has a way better arm than McCarron. Rodgers sat so they could rework his mechanics, not the general sit him and teach him that seems to be echoed with the poor decision making QBs that get drafted every year. McCarrons knock is that he can't make every throw on the field and that hos arm strength is far below average If the Bears could pick him up in like the 6th maybe 5th round I would take him as a backup to Cutler. I mean his Arm can't be any worse than Josh McCown. Plus I would get to laugh at people who unironically think he should be starting.
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Jan 30, 2014 23:14
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That seems more realistic than comparing him to a much higher drafted player of elite quality
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I think if they don't draft one high the Bucs are going to try to go for a guy like McCarron or Murray in the 4th as competition for Glennon.
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Jan 30, 2014 23:19
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Diodeous posted:That seems more realistic than comparing him to a much higher drafted player of elite quality To be honest everyone, including Packers fans, thought Rodgers was a huge bust in the Favre days.
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Toymachine posted:To be honest everyone, including Packers fans, thought Rodgers was a huge bust in the Favre days. I don't remember this at all.
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Dexo posted:If the Bears could pick him up in like the 6th maybe 5th round I would take him as a backup to Cutler. I mean his Arm can't be any worse than Josh McCown. Plus I would get to laugh at people who unironically think he should be starting. McCarron seems like McCown 2.0 so I'm super ok with the Bears picking him up on the 3rd Day.
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Jan 31, 2014 00:39
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Toymachine posted:To be honest everyone, including Packers fans, thought Rodgers was a huge bust in the Favre days. Bust? No. Just still a project with a lot of unknowns that certainly would be a big step down from Favre of course. 
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Ehud posted:I don't remember this at all. Really? I remember watching the Ravens game with young Aaron Rodgers under center and all my Packers fan friends wanted him fired into the sun. Dude seriously sucked the first 2-3 years when he actually got playing time. (My friends are alcoholics though)
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No Safe Word posted:Bust? No. Just still a project with a lot of unknowns that certainly would be a big step down from Favre of course. Favre's last year with the Packers: NFC Title game Rodgers' first year: 6-10 Seems like a pretty big step down!
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Jan 31, 2014 00:50
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I absolutely remember what Toymachine is saying Rodgers had looked terrible in his preseason playing time and there was a ton of concern
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Toymachine posted:Really? I remember watching the Ravens game with young Aaron Rodgers under center and all my Packers fan friends wanted him fired into the sun. Dude seriously sucked the first 2-3 years when he actually got playing time. (My friends are alcoholics though) Packers fans will never criticize Aaron Rodgers for anything. Any interception is automatically the WRs fault, and any sack is the OL's fault
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Toymachine posted:Really? I remember watching the Ravens game with young Aaron Rodgers under center and all my Packers fan friends wanted him fired into the sun. Dude seriously sucked the first 2-3 years when he actually got playing time. (My friends are alcoholics though) Packers fans didn't care for the 6-10 season he got his first year starting but he didnt suck after that.
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Aaron Rodgers first year starting: 4038 yards 28 TD / 13 INT 93.8 QB Rating Yeah they went 6-10, but his play shouldn't have been cause for concern. If Packers fans were freaking out, then they were dumb.
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I'm referring to before Favre left when Rodgers looked terrible in brief playing time and preseason. He quickly shut up anyone who was mad about Favre being traded, that's for sure
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Ehud posted:Aaron Rodgers first year starting: I'm talking way before then. It was during his his first two or three years when he was pretty bad in the preseason and terrible when he got random playing time closing out games when they sat Favre.
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Toymachine posted:I'm talking way before then. It was during his his first two or three years when he was pretty bad in the preseason and terrible when he got random playing time closing out games when they sat Favre. I think he was still in the process of un-loving himself from Tedford's system
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Toymachine posted:To be honest everyone, including Packers fans, thought Rodgers was a huge bust in the Favre days. I seriously thought that year that it was the OL that performed worse than Rodgers, but I'm not Pack fan (unless it's the Brat Pack)
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Intruder posted:I'm referring to before Favre left when Rodgers looked terrible in brief playing time and preseason. He quickly shut up anyone who was mad about Favre being traded, that's for sure IDK, in the cowboys game that he came into after Favre got knocked out in 2007 he looked pretty drat good (which as a Vikings fan, made me sad)
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Ehud posted:Aaron Rodgers first year starting: Good God I would literally...cry if a Browns QB put this up. I'd sob and hit my dick
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DupaDupa posted:McCarron seems like McCown 2.0 so I'm super ok with the Bears picking him up on the 3rd Day. I would be amazed to see McCarron hit 3rd day and I'd probably be willing to toxx myelf that if he falls that far I'll get part of his chest tattoo done on me
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On McCarron possibly not throwing at the combine: who is his agent? I think I remember reading Tom Condon typically advises his guys not to throw there, I wonder if there are other guys who are like that.
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I'd love it if McCarron could pull a Dion Waiters, and be drafted in the first two rounds. It won't happen but it only takes one to make Tebow a 1st rd pick.
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Rap posted:Good God I would literally...cry if a Browns QB put this up. I'd sob and hit my dick A Jets QB hasn't thrown for 4000 yards since 1967 and they've only had one 3500 yard passer in the last 25 years.
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Ozu posted:A Jets QB hasn't thrown for 4000 yards since 1967 and they've only had one 3500 yard passer in the last 25 years.  Testevarde (sp?) never did? Even Palmer threw for 4k with the Raiders.
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Ehud posted:Aaron Rodgers first year starting: Yep they were freaking out because they were/are dumb. They were also dealing with the whole Favre fiasco as well. I do remember quite clearly that Rodgers was still getting blamed for losses at times like that ridiculous loss to the Cards in the playoffs. Rodgers got very little media credit until the SB run and then suddenly he was elite and all the Packers problems were with the defense/o-line.
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Volkerball posted:
Vinny's the 3500 yard guy, he only went 4k once in his career in Baltimore. He's still surprisingly far up on the career list I believe because he played forever. e: 9th on the career passing yards list. Everyone in front of him is a hall of famer or almost sure to be hall of famer (Drew Brees is the closest to not making it but he'll get there).
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SpclKen posted:Speaking about WR's What do you guys think about Benjamin? I saw his WR metrics and I really like him. He scares me most of the class because he's right in the range where Carolina figure to be picking. I wouldn't mind if Steve Smith was three years younger, but fact is the Panthers need dudes who can contribute now, not who'll take two years to get there. Ricky Proehl would be the guy to do it, but I really don't want a developmental guy.
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Is Benjamin not considered a good open-field runner? I thought a lot of the concern with Cordarelle Patterson was some sketchy route-running and the Vikings resolved that by just getting him isolated and letting him get involved in the return game and running game.
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smuggler posted:Is Benjamin not considered a good open-field runner? He did improve his route running as the season wore on and also seems to have a good knack for finding the weak spot in zone coverage. The knock on him going into the draft was that he was very raw and could be a project, but he was productive sooner than people anticipated and if anything, the Vikings brought him along too slowly.
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smuggler posted:Is Benjamin not considered a good open-field runner? He's decent if only because he's loving enormous and strong. Think of him as being in between Braylon Edwards and Calvin Johnson but a lot closer to Braylon.
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Aniki posted:He did improve his route running as the season wore on and also seems to have a good knack for finding the weak spot in zone coverage. The knock on him going into the draft was that he was very raw and could be a project, but he was productive sooner than people anticipated and if anything, the Vikings brought him along too slowly. Patterson to me was the most obvious football player of the draft. A taller Percy harvin. I liked him throughout the draft process because he had incredible instincts and his ability after the catch is mind blowing. I have a new clear cut favorite at running back as well. Wears green.
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AAA DOLFAN posted:I have a new clear cut favorite at running back as well. Wears green.  
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