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Mu Zeta posted:If you like Fringe I don't recommend Almost Human because it's disappointingly boring. I disagree, Sleepy hollow had a great start but the rest of the season was merely good. Almost human is in my opinion the best new show this season, it is rare that a show is that good early on.
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Helix seems like its going to be another good sci-fi show too, although I've only seen the first 2 episodes so far
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Revolution season 2 is way better than the first. I quite enjoy it now. Long odds for season 3 though.
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Almost Human feels like a Fox show. I don't know how to explain it. Fox has a certain difference about them that I can sense in the shows I watch from them. I agree the two main characters make the show, but there are so many cliches or obvious one-liners thrown around it's goranworthy. Revolution was so dumb in season 1 I didn't even bother finishing it. Helix is good for what it is, but I don't see the long term goal yet. I've only been through three episodes though. Still holding out for a decent show. I never got in to Sleepy Hollow, I might have to look in to it. Being Human (US) has been around for a while and I'm totally invested in the characters. It's a show that I really like a lot and would really recommend. I'm thinking of dropping Agents of Shield. It's just not hooking me like I'd like. I worry I might miss a plotline from the show in an upcoming movie though. Edit for the non thread veterans, show suggestions: Day Break FlashForward (A lot of people think this show is crap, but I loved it) Booth at the End (Find it on Hulu) Aexo fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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Jan 30, 2014 16:47
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Almost Human is saved by the ridiculously good casting of the leads. Helix is a lot better than I expected...
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I find Helix to be complete poo poo. The writing is terrible, the characters are terrible, poor Billy Campbell is surrounded by people who have less acting talent and experience than he has in his left butt cheek. There are no surprises in that show aside from how stupid everyone is to try and sustain the illusion of suspense. And my mistake in writing about Almost Human - I really enjoy it, just there are some Bad Things around the edges that are very distracting that I chalk up to studio interference based on chatter.
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Jan 30, 2014 19:57
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devoir posted:I find Helix to be complete poo poo. The writing is terrible, the characters are terrible, poor Billy Campbell is surrounded by people who have less acting talent and experience than he has in his left butt cheek. There are no surprises in that show aside from how stupid everyone is to try and sustain the illusion of suspense. Way to improve Almost Human - stick a helment on Karl Urban and make him the law.
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Jan 30, 2014 19:59
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bobkatt013 posted:Way to improve Almost Human - stick a helment on Karl Urban and make him the law. The episode where he just executed the dude really brought the Dredd flavour.
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Jan 30, 2014 20:04
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Almost Human is fun because it's basically an 80s sci fi buddy cop movie turned tv show. It's pretty cheesy but it's drat good fun. Sleepy Hollow on the other hand is pretty boring despite the solid cast. The characters are just criminally underwritten and the one liners and jokes are worse than anything in Almost Human. The plot sucks too.
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Jan 30, 2014 20:23
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Is Almost Human going full Blade Runner and hinting that Karl Urban is actually a robot too? All I saw was the previews but that's what I immediately thought based on the Robocop premise of "Cop beaten 'nearly' to death, spent months in a coma, comes back and has to get over his hatred of robots". Feel free to /spoiler anything pertinent.
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Medullah posted:Is Almost Human going full Blade Runner and hinting that Karl Urban is actually a robot too? All I saw was the previews but that's what I immediately thought based on the Robocop premise of "Cop beaten 'nearly' to death, spent months in a coma, comes back and has to get over his hatred of robots". Nope. He has a synthetic leg.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah that was my major problem. They did the reset and then proceeded to not change things all that much. Most of what they changed was very minor. It was annoying because Walter went backwards in his development from where we see him in Season 3, which also doesn't really go anywhere. That's the thing that annoyed, and frankly, frustrated me the most about season 4. They took the Walter we knew and loved and changed fundamental aspects about his personality and history. This may seem silly, but I hated the fact that the new Walter was afraid of the outside world and never left the lab. The Walter we knew loved to go out into the world, and into the field. The alluded to the idea that it was possibly another alternate universe in the first half of the season, and even though we learned that it was the same universe with an altered timeline, it felt like an alternate universe. For example, Nina adopting Olivia after the cortexaphan trials has nothing to do with Peter dying in the lake, unless I missed something. Aexo posted:Edit for the non thread veterans, show suggestions: Flashforward was a fun show. It's no Fringe or LOST, but it's fun. And I would recommend the Booth at the End to anybody with about 3 hours to kill. But I'll have to check out Day Break, that looks like it's right up my alley. I think I'll jump on the Sleepy Hollow train too, based on the ringing endorsements in this thread and the fact that John Noble is in it. Does Amazon have all the episodes up? Hulu only has the last 7. Worst case scenario, I'll just buy the first few episodes, which actually sounds like it's worth it.
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Exploder posted:I think I'll jump on the Sleepy Hollow train too, based on the ringing endorsements in this thread and the fact that John Noble is in it. Does Amazon have all the episodes up? Hulu only has the last 7. Worst case scenario, I'll just buy the first few episodes, which actually sounds like it's worth it. The season just finished airing its 13 episodes (two part finale is listed on Amazon as episode 12), all of which are on Amazon, yup.
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Jan 30, 2014 20:45
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Exploder posted:For example, Nina adopting Olivia after the cortexaphan trials has nothing to do with Peter dying in the lake, unless I missed something. Didn't they reveal that it was due to meeting Peter Olivia never killed her dad?
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bobkatt013 posted:Didn't they reveal that it was due to meeting Peter Olivia never killed her dad?
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Yeah anyone in this thread that's on the fence about Sleepy Hollow, do yourself a favor and watch it through to the finale. Yes, John Noble is as awesome in SH as he was as Walter. Trust me! In the SH thread we were discussing how to convince people to watch it, and "National Treasure (but better) meets Fringe" was suggested and it's pretty spot on. Fringe is right up there with the X-files as two of my favorite shows ever and Sleepy Hollow is well on its way to join those. The leads have fantastic chemistry and all the actors look like they have a blast making the show; check out Orlando Jones' twitter feed sometime. Also the SH show runners supposedly have a 5 year plan and are confident they will see it through to the end. isaboo fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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Jan 30, 2014 22:07
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pahuyuth posted:Yeah anyone in this thread that's on the fence about Sleepy Hollow, do yourself a favor and watch it through to the finale. Yes, John Noble is as awesome in SH as he was as Walter. Trust me! Well looks like I know what I am going to be buying on Amazon or Itunes this weekend. Great I now have Sleepy Hollow and Hannibal to watch after I finish my Fringe rewatch.
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Jan 30, 2014 22:09
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I dunno, I can't agree with the enthusiastic recommendation for sleepy hollow. John Noble is a watered down and less interesting version of Walter (hopefully his character gets more focus, I think they decided late in the game to make him more important), and the comparison to Fringe overall just doesn't seem right. It doesn't have the same freewheeling tone where you couldn't wait to see what crazy thing would happen next; SH seems very unwilling to take risks and over-serious. Fringe was just fun.
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What show are you watching? SH is all about risks and is far from serious. I haven't seen anyone else with the opinion you maintain.
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Sleepy Hollow is literally all about seeing what crazy thing is going to happen next. It's exactly like Fringe in that respect.
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GreenNight posted:What show are you watching? SH is all about risks and is far from serious. I haven't seen anyone else with the opinion you maintain. I've watched the entire season and while there are awkward moments of levity all the characters glower at each other all the time and the whole thing feels like kind of a slog to get through. I don't know what risks you're referring to, it's exactly what I would expect from a network show about the Apocalypse and has rarely been surprising. The cast* and premise are good but the follow through and execution isn't there. I probably won't be watching next season. *caveat: Orlando Jones. Colonel Whitey fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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Jan 30, 2014 22:25
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Regy Rusty posted:Sleepy Hollow is literally all about seeing what crazy thing is going to happen next. It's exactly like Fringe in that respect. Does the show ever have the headless horsemen using a shotgun?
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Jan 30, 2014 22:25
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Yeah, really. Implying that Sleepy Hollow is less fun than Fringe is crazy talk and something I haven't heard before. drat, there are so many things about SH I want to mention to convince anyone still on the fence, but then this post would be one big spoiler tag. John Cho and John Noble are both fantastic and shouldn't disappoint. I will concede that some of the REALLY big payoffs don't occur until the finale, but rest assured there will be some  moments. Season 2 is gonna be balls to the wall, no doubt. Just so this doesn't get too off track from Fringe discussion, has anyone heard more about a possible film? A casual search found some stuff as recent as July of 2013 but not much since. Although frankly I think the finale was drat near perfect and there's no real need to have a "wrap-up film" as JH Wyman referred to any possible movie project.
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Jan 30, 2014 22:33
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bobkatt013 posted:Does the show ever have the headless horsemen using a shotgun? No, he uses an M-16. And no, I'm not kidding.
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pahuyuth posted:Yeah, really. Implying that Sleepy Hollow is less fun than Fringe is crazy talk and something I haven't heard before. drat, there are so many things about SH I want to mention to convince anyone still on the fence, but then this post would be one big spoiler tag. John Cho and John Noble are both fantastic and shouldn't disappoint. The only way they could have a movie would be a case that we did not see inbetween episodes or between the end of season 4 and the picnic. No Walter no movie.
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Exploder posted:I feel the same way, but looking back on it, I don't see what else they could have done. It was the Observers' plan to erase Peter from the timeline anyway. You know that it was actually the writers plan, don't you? It's bullshit to treat fiction like an historical document when the writers could've taken literally any direction and made it work within the larger fiction because they create both of them from scratch. Also Fringe went downhill from the end of Season Two onwards. The main problems with the changes Peter found in the Season Four timeline is that it felt like the writers came up with the differences and then worked backwards to how Peter dying caused them, rather than it being a fluid, meaningful line of change. PriorMarcus fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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pahuyuth posted:Fringe is right up there with the X-files as two of my favorite shows ever and Sleepy Hollow is well on its way to join those. The leads have fantastic chemistry and all the actors look like they have a blast making the show; check out Orlando Jones' twitter feed sometime.  Orlando Jones makes Joshua Jackson reading fanfiction at ComicCon look downright quaint. Regy Rusty posted:Sleepy Hollow is literally all about seeing what crazy thing is going to happen next. It's exactly like Fringe in that respect. To try and compare Fringe's pacing to Sleepy Hollow's: imagine if they revealed that The Pattern was the result of an alternate dimension in the pilot, that Peter was from said alternate dimension 8 episodes in, and the season 2 finale occurred at the end of episode 13. That's Sleepy Hollow. They didn't need to spin their wheels for a season and almost get cancelled to light a fire under their rear end this time.
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Jan 31, 2014 00:11
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Medullah posted:No, he uses an M-16. He uses both...in the first episode and it's not the only time hr uses them.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Orlando Jones makes Joshua Jackson reading fanfiction at ComicCon look downright quaint. Lets not say poo poo we can't take back, Pacey-Con was loving magical.
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I dunno, I watched 10 or so episodes of sleepy hollow and lost interest. Demon/horror stuff is really bland to me, and the lead characters are both really uninteresting. There are some parallels to Fringe, but I don't think it's as close as you guys say. And the characters can't even hold a candle to the Fringe crew, there's barely any rapport between the two main characters, and none between the rest of the cast. When you compare that to Walter/Olivia/Astrid/Peter, there's no comparison, not to mention the B-universe Fringe crew. And no characters in SH have anywhere near the depth of Walter or Olivia, even if you only take season 1 into account.
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I thought the charisma between the two leads in Sleepy Hollow was fantastic and was very important to the entire show.
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Sleepy Hollow doesn't have a Walter/Astrid, but the rapport between its two main characters is a bit better than the rapport between Olivia/Peter.
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About Sleepy Hollow, I was laughing so hard I was crying for fifteen minutes straight after the horseman showed up with the god drat shotgun and m-16. This show has the ability and willpower to go insane. My only problem is in its fantasy roots rather than scifi. When you see the Observer for the first time, your mind swims like "what's the deal here?" There's an explanation, and in the Observer's specific case it was a neat one. For fantasy though, you don't say "what's the deal" when you see a demon. It's a demon, whatever, it can do anything. If this show can really flesh out its personal set of rules and limitations it'll get really interesting.
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Feb 2, 2014 02:04
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Alcatraz, that other Abrams series with a similar feel as Fringe, made the mistake of not fleshing out their over-arching story, and was pretty dull. By the time they gave us a hint as to what was going on, the show was done.
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Hard Clumping posted:If this show can really flesh out its personal set of rules and limitations it'll get really interesting. The personal rules of Fringe were "Love conquerors all" and "Give Walter more drugs", I don't know that making it sci-fi had it being particularly more grounded than a pure fantasy show.
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Feb 2, 2014 02:59
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Yeah, for all intents and purposes the science in Fringe is pretty much just magic.
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True, I'm not saying that Fringe was hard scifi, but like the various Stargate series, its strength involved introducing a bunch of technologies and then making them interact with one another in interesting ways over the course of its run. Like how Amber started as just a one-off horror thing that turned into one of the most often-used plot devices in the show. With Sleepy Hollow so far it's just, "it's a demon. they put blood on the book to get him." My hope is they're doing a Fringe thing and making some or all of these one-off episodes actually the first entries in a rulebook they'll go back and explore more later. Like with the demon portal thing. Rewatching Fringe after having seen the entire show really highlights how much they did this, even in the first season.
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Stargate was way better at that than Fringe. Frankly I don't think Fringe ever did a good job of having a consistent story, let alone mythology.
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Remember when the observers used to walk everywhere
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