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The Puppy Bowl posted:What's the general consensus on Dion Bailey? It seemed like he was number 2 Safety prospect early on but I've seen very little talk about him since January began. Any hope he falls to the mid third? Walterfootball says round 2-4, nfldraftscout says round 4, so definitely possible. Coldforge fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Feb 2, 2014 |
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Raku posted:While I was amazed with LSU's receivers this year I have no idea why people think Mettenburger's so good compared to Murray or McCarron. I think he and Murray are on similar levels, but he has a bunch better tool set than MaCarron. I don't think he'll go high, but I've seen worse QBs go in the first, and I think any team that gets him is likely to have a good value proposition for him. And I legitimately think Houston taking him in a later round is an excellent idea.
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Raku posted:While I was amazed with LSU's receivers this year I have no idea why people think Mettenburger's so good compared to Murray or McCarron.
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MJBuddy posted:And I legitimately think Houston taking him in a later round is an excellent idea. If nothing else, tonight was a good example of why being able to generate pressure with only 4 linemen is so important; Clowney + Watt might be too tempting to pass up.
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I've decided the two picks I'm fine with are Bridgewater and Clowney. That may change at the combine but for now those are the only two that I will not be angry about (unless they trade down)
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Intruder posted:I've decided the two picks I'm fine with are Bridgewater and Clowney. That may change at the combine but for now those are the only two that I will not be angry about (unless they trade down) If we trade down and neither of those guys are available (I see Clowney as potentially being there), who do you like best? Mack?
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Well obviously it would depend how far down we trade but yeah Mack sounds good or Matthews if it's in the 6-8 range
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# ? Feb 3, 2014 06:35 |
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Yay, 32nd pick \/ Now let's fire our guards into the sun. Who's supposed to be good this year?
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Benne posted:Yay, 32nd pick \/ Yankey or Sua-Filo should be there for you at 32. You'll probably take Yankey, because Pete loves his Stanford players.
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Benne posted:Yay, 32nd pick \/ More like what big, monster receiver with a huge wingspan will be there at 32?
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Haha Seahawks are stuck at the 32nd pick what a failure of a season
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Schwack posted:More like what big, monster receiver with a huge wingspan will be there at 32? Noted champion Kelvin Benjamin should be available.
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# ? Feb 3, 2014 14:08 |
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I hate Benjamin but he might be a perfect fit in Seattle.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I hate Benjamin but he might be a perfect fit in Seattle. These guys turned Jermaine 'Stone Hands' Kearse into a serviceable player, just imagine what they could do with a first round guy! Benjamin seems to be the guy the SeahawksDraftBlog dude likes, and he does some good analysis. WR in Round 1, OG in Round 2. edit 6' 5"? Also, their BPA tends to be wildly different than everyone else's. Schwack fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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Seahawks would be silly to do anything but BPA this draft. Broncos need an entire new secondary and LB group.
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Schwack posted:These guys turned Jermaine 'Stone Hands' Kearse into a serviceable player, just imagine what they could do with a first round guy! Benjamin seems to be the guy the SeahawksDraftBlog dude likes, and he does some good analysis. WR in Round 1, OG in Round 2. I've just kind of accepted that the Seahawks know much more than I ever will about player evaluation. ~that being said~ I think Benjamin would be a really good pick and there wouldn't be much pressure on him to contribute immediately as he learns his route and his timing
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Declan MacManus posted:I've just kind of accepted that the Seahawks know much more than I ever will about player evaluation. This is true of every GM in the league and probably every one on their staff, even if we'd like to believe we're good at this stuff.
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Doltos posted:Seahawks would be silly to do anything but BPA this draft. They need a middle linebacker. Outside, they are fine--could use more depth though. Von Miller is a great player. Wesley Woodyard is fine, but gonna be a free agent. Danny Trevathan is a decent outside guy as well. Even Nate Irving is a serviceable backup. It's that middle spot that had us trotting out ex-XFL players on to the field. Agreed about secondary help though. It could go from a need, to a HUGE GAPING HOLE depending on free agency with Chris Harris and DRC. RB might end up being a draft need again too depending on Knowshon staying or going. I feel good about how Montee Ball came along this year, but behind him it looks pretty bad. Ronnie Hillman will surely get another shot next year, but if he starts fumbling again, his career as a Bronco will probably be over. Who's left? CJ Anderson? Gonna bring back Lance Ball? Really gonna have to wait and see about free agency with the Broncos (really, all teams) before making any definitive statements about the draft though. Lot's of free agents on the Broncos, and probably not enough cap space for all of them, plus a new set of draftees. They've gotten lots of play out of some guys with smaller contracts, who are going to need a raise. Just of the top of my head: Offense: Knowshon Moreno Eric Decker Zane Beadles Chris Kuper, I guess. I don't remember the last game he played. Defense: Shaun Phillips Robert Ayers Wesley Woodyard Mitch Unrein Chris Harris Dominique Rogers Cromartie Duke Ihenacho, I think I'm sure some guys are missing too, but those are probably the most important ones. Broncos are gonna be a different looking team next year, I'd say. Then there's other things like, I'm not sure Derek Wolfe should be playing football anymore. Is Champ gonna keep playing? Oh and who knows about Peyton and his neck evaluation. He still wants to play, but we'll see what happens. I'm a-scared of the Brock Osweiler era. Krackleburt fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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MJBuddy posted:This is true of every GM in the league and probably every one on their staff, even if we'd like to believe we're good at this stuff. Do the Jets count?
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PrinceRandom posted:Do the Jets count? Yep. The nuances of rear end selection go far above my ability to discern good linemen.
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Declan MacManus posted:I've just kind of accepted that the Seahawks know much more than I ever will about player evaluation. They hit gold on a bunch of acquisitions that turned them into a winning culture. I'd say their free agent signings were as impressive as their drafting prowess. Marshawn Lynch, Michael Bennett, Percy Harvin, Cliff Avril. Concerning the draft, they are quite remarkable with their second and third day selections. It seems like they go to the theory of loading up on draft picks to increase their odds at finding a stud. I mean people have this idea about prospects that there is a huge gap of talent between the top 32 and the rest of the players out there. A 6'3 230 lbs dude like Kam Chancellor is still a 6'3 230 lbs dude regardless of where he gets drafted. If you have the athletic ability, a strong coaching staff and a good system will make you shine despite you not putting up fantastic stats in college. That's the secret to the Seahawks success. They're a winning culture with a player's coach and great offensive and defensive minds leading them.
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Disillusionist posted:Yeah that would be a bad idea. Total Jerry move. Also unless there's an awesome safety in the first and all the defensive linemen are taken, I don't think they should draft one. Wilcox was a third-rounder last year and it's too soon to give up on him; drafting a safety in the second round is basically acknowledging you threw away a 3rd last year and it's doubtful that the rookie safety you draft is going to be a huge improvement over Wilcox. Perharps you're right about the trade and I'm just desperate for some excitement in Dallas, but you're mistaken if you think the Cowboys don't need another safety. Heath is terrible all around and Church is only decent at tackling.
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John Brown posted:Perharps you're right about the trade and I'm just desperate for some excitement in Dallas, but you're mistaken if you think the Cowboys don't need another safety. Heath is terrible all around and Church is only decent at tackling. Church is good enough and could improve. Heath was a UDFA rookie who shouldn't have even seen the field. Ideally wilcox resumes as starter and improves in his second year. I don't think you burn a high pick on a safety unless a huge talent falls to them in the first. Which second round pick safety is going to be significantly better than Wilcox with a year of NFL experience under his belt? Improving pass rush and coverage linebackers combined with a scheme change from Kiffin to Marinelli should help take the pressure off the safeties. Marinelli had great defenses in Chicago with mediocre or even downright bad safeties.
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MJBuddy posted:This is true of every GM in the league and probably every one on their staff, even if we'd like to believe we're good at this stuff. Not even necessarily "better than us" at evaluating, they just have a lot more access. Off the record interviews with coaches, flying out to watch every practice and seeing every game, etc. You and I can't just sit down for dinner with Nick Saban and have a heart to heart about CJ Mosely, but some GM probably can.
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Disillusionist posted:Church is good enough and could improve. Heath was a UDFA rookie who shouldn't have even seen the field. Ideally wilcox resumes as starter and improves in his second year. I don't think you burn a high pick on a safety unless a huge talent falls to them in the first. Which second round pick safety is going to be significantly better than Wilcox with a year of NFL experience under his belt? Church is really stiff in his transition and he over-pursues runs and shorter passes way too often. He's good a taking a player to the ground, but they've likely already caught the ball or ran for a first down at that point. Wilcox, as you might expect from a young player, makes a lot of bad reads and angles on passes. Why not take a safety when you still don't have anything sure at the position?
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I heard on the radio the other day, not sure where I would find this stat myself, but that Pete Carroll and Seattle have had more player transactions in the last two years than any other team. They said it was 284 (or around there) which blew away every other team. I guess building a solid team like the Seahawks have out of UDFA's and late round picks just requires going through and looking at as many players as possible.
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Evan Silva posted team needs today:Rotoworld posted:Teams are ranked in order of roster quality.
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Part 2quote:17. Washington Redskins
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It's such a habit for me to scroll straight to the bottom of any numbered list of NFL teams.
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There's no way the Texans have the 30th worst roster in the NFL e: I have later realized I should have said 30th best, as 30th worst implies 3rd best Intruder fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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The Bengals needs are pretty much spot on and, barring a top qb falling in their lap in the 1st, I think it's a virtual lock they'll go CB and then QB with their first two picks.
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Intruder posted:There's no way the Texans have the 30th worst roster in the NFL I don't buy that the big internal debate boils down to "Manziel or Bortles?" either.
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:The Bengals needs are pretty much spot on and, barring a top qb falling in their lap in the 1st, I think it's a virtual lock they'll go CB and then QB with their first two picks. They'll also likely pick up an inside OL guy.
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I think the Niners need interior OL more than another linebacker, but the first three needs on his list are spot-on.
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He did a terrible job listing the Chiefs needs.
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Calling the Texans the 30th ranked team is pretty damning, even if you heavily, heavily weight the QB position. Also, I feel like the Chiefs, Saints, and Packers are better in terms of roster than the Patriots. I could be buying into the "AFC is weaaak" thing too much, but hey. smuggler fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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It's somewhat odd that he factors in the Jets free agents when talking about need, like the Jets don't have the cap-space to re-sign the 3 guys that are worth keeping.
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He nailed the Ravens. I don't think I've ever witnessed that kind of downgrade in an O-line over one offseason.
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smuggler posted:Calling the Texans the 30th ranked team is pretty damning, even if you heavily, heavily weight the QB position. It's damning but it's also just wrong. We're better off than most of the teams in the 20's at the very least.
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John Brown posted:Church is really stiff in his transition and he over-pursues runs and shorter passes way too often. He's good a taking a player to the ground, but they've likely already caught the ball or ran for a first down at that point. Wilcox, as you might expect from a young player, makes a lot of bad reads and angles on passes. Church isn't a bad safety. He may never be Pro Bowl-quality but he's more than adequate, cheap and relatively young. He also has only started like 19 games over the past two seasons so it's reasonable to believe he may continue to progress. The reason not to take a safety (again, unless a great one is available in the first) is that they have a prospect in Wilcox already. It's rare that safeties are good as rookies; besides Reid, Vacarro and possibly Elam I can't think of any rookie safeties who were better than mediocre last year. Note that those guys were all taken in the first round. If you burn a second rounder on a safety this year, you're basically saying that Wilcox is a backup at best after one season. Wilcox in his second year is probably going to be better than a rookie taken in the 2nd/3rd round. He was not so bad that they should just give up on him. There's also the fact that the Cowboys are deficient at defensive tackle, defensive end and linebacker. Other than Tyrone Crawford, Kyle Wilber and Devonte Holloman they have no real young prospects they're developing. Hatcher is gone, Spencer should probably not be re-signed, Ware is not his former self, Carter is unreliable, Lee is oft-injured and Durant may be gone too. There are so many needs that it becomes dangerous to just focus on one position, and honestly safeties are the least important position in this scheme. Wilcox improving with age and experience, combined with a shift in the utilization of Carr and Claiborne, an improved pass rush and/or better play from the OLBs negates the need for elite safeties. I think they would be better served using their first and second picks on front 7 players, and looking for OL/WR depth in the third. That fits nicely with their needs and the talent likely to be available.
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