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Max Overthruster posted:What is the payscale like for a WWE wrestler? For an appearance on Monday Night Raw how much would some random jobber get paid vs. a midcard staple like R-Truth vs. a Cena or an Orton? During Orton's divorce, didn't it come out that he made $600,000 a month? So 7.2 million a year? Cena is probably north of 10 million since he is 20% of the WWE brand.
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Gar posted:During Orton's divorce, didn't it come out that he made $600,000 a month? So 7.2 million a year? Cena is probably north of 10 million since he is 20% of the WWE brand. Strictly talking about salary, they make much less than that I think. I'd imagine someone like Cena gets something like $2-3 million a year and then gets additional cuts based on merchandise sales, TV appearances, etc. Here's a story that says he made 290k/month: http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/tmz-reports-randy-orton-is-divorced-makes-291666-per-month/
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Feb 4, 2014 14:33
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The $290k is probably his downside. I'm imagine he makes a good bit more with merch sales added in.
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Feb 4, 2014 15:35
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Delsaber posted:Have Daniel Bryan and Tajiri ever faced each other? It seems like a perfect match, and yet somehow, I've never heard of it happening. Not that I know of, but there's a Tajiri/RVD match that's only a few minutes long, and while it doesn't hit full steam, it is really neat. Imagine what they could do with 20 minutes.
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Feb 4, 2014 15:40
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MassRafTer posted:The Ultimate Solution (Jeep Swenson) in a three tiered cage match which was located next to the entrance way. Hogan also wanted Pillman in it because Pillman was a hot commodity but Pillman had just done the bookerman shoot angle so he got a surgery he sort of needed to avoid doing a job for Hogan. I am impressed by the name Jeep Swenson. If you go over that, it's gotta mean something. Pillman on the other hand, didn't he get out of a contract by fooling the powers that be at WCW? Smart dude.
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Feb 4, 2014 16:00
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Gatts posted:I am impressed by the name Jeep Swenson. If you go over that, it's gotta mean something. Pillman on the other hand, didn't he get out of a contract by fooling the powers that be at WCW? Smart dude. Pillman convinced Bischoff to release him so he'd go to ECW for a bit to sell the Loose Cannon gimmick for a while before returning. He chose to go the WWF instead.
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Feb 4, 2014 16:04
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Gatts posted:I am impressed by the name Jeep Swenson. If you go over that, it's gotta mean something. His original name in WCW was The Final Solution. Then they realized how bad that was, and changed it to The Ultimate Solution, which is still a dumb name for a pro wrestler.
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Feb 4, 2014 16:13
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Red posted:His original name in WCW was The Final Solution. Then they realized how bad that was, and changed it to The Ultimate Solution, which is still a dumb name for a pro wrestler. Chris, just let him keep the name Jeep Swenson. Your entrance music can be a "BEEP BEEP! I'mma Jeep!" and then he comes out and cuts a promo about how he's going to get over whatever hurdle is in his path and smash his opponent. Then his opponent can cut a promo about he's just made of cheap material and is nothing of substance.
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Feb 4, 2014 16:44
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That man was born with the best bad wrestler name ever.
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Feb 4, 2014 17:28
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Gatts posted:Chris, just let him keep the name Jeep Swenson. Your entrance music can be a "BEEP BEEP! I'mma Jeep!" and then he comes out and cuts a promo about how he's going to get over whatever hurdle is in his path and smash his opponent. Then his opponent can cut a promo about he's just made of cheap material and is nothing of substance. He could fight Roadblock
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Feb 4, 2014 18:57
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Red posted:His original name in WCW was The Final Solution. Then they realized how bad that was, and changed it to The Ultimate Solution, which is still a dumb name for a pro wrestler. Our local Hawaii indy has a huge Tongan guy named The Final Solution. Nobody seems to know how awful that is. Here he is in action! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mFgRuXSGD4
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Feb 4, 2014 19:57
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This has likely been asked at some point, but have there been guys who have drifted into "comedy jobber" territory only to come out the other end and have a decent run near or challenging for a world title? I ask because seeing Wade Barrett recently has made me wonder if there was any chance he'd be salvaged. When he first came up, he looked primed for it but they've messed his pushes up so horribly. It seemed every time they brought him back might be the time, but then it ended up being a big wet fart. Note: I don't really count Daniel Bryan re: his time with Kane. They were funny, but they were also competitive. As an added clarification, I don't count guys who changed aliases like Oz to Diesel type thing.
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Feb 4, 2014 20:02
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For a certain definition of "action." I, too, am concerned about the racial connotations of a black Giant Haystacks dressed like a Trapper Keeper. (I'll forgive the shirt if he's an All Blacks fan. On second thought, no, I won't.)
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Feb 4, 2014 20:06
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Ratedargh posted:This has likely been asked at some point, but have there been guys who have drifted into "comedy jobber" territory only to come out the other end and have a decent run near or challenging for a world title? I ask because seeing Wade Barrett recently has made me wonder if there was any chance he'd be salvaged. When he first came up, he looked primed for it but they've messed his pushes up so horribly. It seemed every time they brought him back might be the time, but then it ended up being a big wet fart. That's a tough one. - Mark "Sexual Chocolate" Henry became Mark "BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO!" Henry - Bob "Nascar Enthusiast" Holly became "Hardcore" Bob Holly, and jobbed to Brock Lesnar at a Royal Rumble title match. On the flip side, Vladimir Kozlov went from destroyer of worlds to buddy of Santino. Same for Great Khali.
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Feb 4, 2014 20:14
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Ratedargh posted:This has likely been asked at some point, but have there been guys who have drifted into "comedy jobber" territory only to come out the other end and have a decent run near or challenging for a world title? I ask because seeing Wade Barrett recently has made me wonder if there was any chance he'd be salvaged. When he first came up, he looked primed for it but they've messed his pushes up so horribly. It seemed every time they brought him back might be the time, but then it ended up being a big wet fart. I think Barrett is entirely salvagable. His gimmick involves saying bad lines but he himself is not actively being jobbed every night. This can change depending on where the Lawler thing goes. If he gets owned by Lawler then we're in 'hosed for a while' territory. Until then, he's not technically a comedy jobber.
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Feb 4, 2014 20:16
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Don't forget that WWE flubbed the hottest angle in wrestling by literally having John Cena bury Wade Barrett under a pile of chairs
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Professor Funk posted:Don't forget that WWE flubbed the hottest angle in wrestling by literally having John Cena bury Wade Barrett under a pile of chairs That's not how they flubbed that angle. That angle was flubbed when the Nexus was run off by the roster in week two, or when they chose mostly lovely developmental workers to do their big summer angle.
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Feb 4, 2014 20:19
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MassRafTer posted:That's not how they flubbed that angle. That angle was flubbed when the Nexus was run off by the roster in week two, or when they chose mostly lovely developmental workers to do their big summer angle. Yeah, the chair thing was just the shruggiest piece of punctuation to finally put that angle out of its misery.
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Don;t forget Cena joining the Nexus in name only. That didn't help.
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MassRafTer posted:That's not how they flubbed that angle. That angle was flubbed when the Nexus was run off by the roster in week two, or when they chose mostly lovely developmental workers to do their big summer angle. They flubbed that angle but putting The Nexus into a feud with Cena and making it 100% clear that they had no shot of going over him in any sort of meaningful manner. Barrett being buried under a pile of steel chairs is pretty emblematic of that. I think you're misremembering how hot of an angle The Nexus was for the first month or two. People around here were losing their poo poo over it. It had a lot of potential.
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MassRafTer posted:That's not how they flubbed that angle. That angle was flubbed when the Nexus was run off by the roster in week two, or when they chose mostly lovely developmental workers to do their big summer angle. The Nexus angle was hosed 37 different ways. The SummerSlam loss, Bugs Bunny Cena taking out the Nexus, and the lack of "ready" guys. Was it in the plans for DBD to be a big fixture in the group? His ringwork would've carried the stable.
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Feb 4, 2014 20:34
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Ratedargh posted:This has likely been asked at some point, but have there been guys who have drifted into "comedy jobber" territory only to come out the other end and have a decent run near or challenging for a world title? I ask because seeing Wade Barrett recently has made me wonder if there was any chance he'd be salvaged. When he first came up, he looked primed for it but they've messed his pushes up so horribly. It seemed every time they brought him back might be the time, but then it ended up being a big wet fart. I'm interested in the other aspects of comedy jobbers. Who has had the longest comedy-based career? Most lucrative? Who's come out least destroyed physically? And I'm not counting outside endeavours for lucrative, like Santino's MMA gym.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:I'm interested in the other aspects of comedy jobbers. Who has had the longest comedy-based career? Most lucrative? Who's come out least destroyed physically? And I'm not counting outside endeavours for lucrative, like Santino's MMA gym. I can't say with authority but anecdotally I'd put Goldust on the list--at least due to longevity and overall success. He may not always be pure 'comedy' but his promos have always been weird/silly/goofy as gently caress and he also has the most outrageous costume. He's been Goldust forever too, so there's that. You could argue his 'jobber' status but all things considered, he's never really been more than a mid-card wrestler. There's also Doink the Clown(s). Seeing as how long that really was a thing still amazes me but then again considering the zeitgeist of the era Doink still 'works'.
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Feb 4, 2014 20:57
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Eugene has to be up there. They teased turning him heel once but never went through with it. But arguably that extended his career because as Nick Dinsmore he had a harder style.
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Feb 4, 2014 21:04
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Although strictly not a jobber Mick Foley has been one of the most successful comedy characters
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Avenging_Mikon posted:I'm interested in the other aspects of comedy jobbers. Who has had the longest comedy-based career? Most lucrative? Who's come out least destroyed physically? And I'm not counting outside endeavours for lucrative, like Santino's MMA gym. Stalker Ichikawa is worth a mention.
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Feb 4, 2014 21:09
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I loved Jericho during his breakout superstar era. I thought he was comedy gold as a smart-rear end and he was successful to boot. If that counts as a lucrative comedy person then that's who I nominate, but he (was) is definitely not a jobber.
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Feb 4, 2014 21:10
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MisterGBH posted:Eugene has to be up there. They teased turning him heel once but never went through with it. But arguably that extended his career because as Nick Dinsmore he had a harder style. Nick Dinsmore, the Triple H of OVW.
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Feb 4, 2014 21:27
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Professor Funk posted:They flubbed that angle but putting The Nexus into a feud with Cena and making it 100% clear that they had no shot of going over him in any sort of meaningful manner. Barrett being buried under a pile of steel chairs is pretty emblematic of that. It was really popular on here, but it didn't translate anywhere. Ratings tapered off quickly, it never helped PPVs, it was something new and crazy when it happened that they just bungled long before Cena got a chance to be DDTed on the floor.
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dialhforhero posted:I loved Jericho during his breakout superstar era. I thought he was comedy gold as a smart-rear end and he was successful to boot. If that counts as a lucrative comedy person then that's who I nominate, but he (was) is definitely not a jobber. Jericho in WCW was full of comedy gold too. Hell, just the "Conspiracy Victim" angle was hilarious.
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Feb 4, 2014 21:31
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Definitely not a long run or anything, but Hurricane spent 99% of his life being a comedy jobber and then 1% of his life putting up a decent fight against The Rock.
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Feb 4, 2014 21:50
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Endorph posted:Definitely not a long run or anything, but Hurricane spent 99% of his life being a comedy jobber and then 1% of his life putting up a decent fight against The Rock. I love how The Rock always sold that Hurricane was really flying away after their verbal battles.
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VogeGandire posted:Jericho in WCW was full of comedy gold too. Hell, just the "Conspiracy Victim" angle was hilarious. Or the list of his 1,004 moves, half of which are armbars. Followed by the list of wrestlers he's defeated such as Kevin Nash, Diesel, Oz, Scott Hall, Razor Ramon... Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Feb 4, 2014 |
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Rock: I know who could whup that rear end. Superman. Batman. Aquaman, and he talks to fish! Hurricane: I know who the Hurricane can whup. The Scorpion King! Rock: Oh no you didn't!
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It's too bad Jericho had to spend most of the money he made in 1998 buying David Penzer new tuxes.
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Wouldn't Honky Tonk Man count as having the longest comedy career? Or was he actually considered a serious character for some period of time?
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bradzilla posted:Wouldn't Honky Tonk Man count as having the longest comedy career? Or was he actually considered a serious character for some period of time? Nah, even his IC title run, he was still a comedy character. A drat good one too.
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Thinking about it, most successful comedy character is John Cena.
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bradzilla posted:Wouldn't Honky Tonk Man count as having the longest comedy career? Or was he actually considered a serious character for some period of time? Believe it or not prior to his run as the Honky Tonk Man he was involved in a hugely influential bloody hardcore brawl that helped lay the groundwork for garbage wrestling in the US and Japan.
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MassRafTer posted:Believe it or not prior to his run as the Honky Tonk Man he was involved in a hugely influential bloody hardcore brawl that helped lay the groundwork for garbage wrestling in the US and Japan. Really? With who?
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