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Arctic Baldwin posted:My favorite part is Superman jogging over the ocean Just like how you never draw Spidey standing or sitting down, there is never any reason for Superman to not be doing something exciting in a panel.
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Mr. Maltose posted:Admittedly, the ability to solve complex math problems reflexively and incorrectly would be a great gag power. I have that power. 
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Feb 5, 2014 03:15
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Terror Sweat posted:Just like how you never draw Spidey standing or sitting down No no, that's Batman.
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Feb 5, 2014 03:19
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In the hypothetical Superman run I'm never ever going to get, one of my rules would be that Superman never has his feet on the ground. He's always hovering an inch or so off the ground. It'd be a great way to throw more confusion on the Superman/Clark Kent thing -- Superman's slightly taller than Clark, and they move completely differently, because Superman is always hovering and moving like a steadicam, while Clark walks, which bobs his head and moves his body. It'd be a huge subconcious thing that nobody would notice, but would make them seem very dissimilar. It's born of that lovely Superman Returns video game; the biggest thing I took away from it was how wrong Superman just walking around looked.
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Feb 5, 2014 03:23
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Endless Mike posted:What did NFL Superpro score on the Wonderlic? Vince Young.
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Feb 5, 2014 03:30
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CapnAndy posted:It'd be a huge subconcious thing that nobody would notice, but would make them seem very dissimilar. One of the reasons I love Frank Quitely so much - he draws Clark Kent and Superman as two entirely different looking people you would NEVER suspect as being the same guy. 
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Feb 5, 2014 04:01
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mind the walrus posted:It can't be both? Most likely. Jerusalem posted:One of the reasons I love Frank Quitely so much - he draws Clark Kent and Superman as two entirely different looking people you would NEVER suspect as being the same guy. This is my favorite Clark face. 
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Jerusalem posted:One of the reasons I love Frank Quitely so much - he draws Clark Kent and Superman as two entirely different looking people you would NEVER suspect as being the same guy.
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Feb 5, 2014 04:22
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C. Everett Koop posted:Vince Young. hook 'em
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Feb 5, 2014 04:32
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IUG posted:"You can do that?" could be Superman's bio too. Am I weird because I think in that scene it would have made more sense for Supes to hear the radio signal instead of see it?
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Feb 5, 2014 06:34
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Choco1980 posted:Am I weird because I think in that scene it would have made more sense for Supes to hear the radio signal instead of see it? Radio is light, not sound. Audio signals are sometimes encoded in radio broadcasts, however.
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Feb 5, 2014 06:36
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Choco1980 posted:Am I weird because I think in that scene it would have made more sense for Supes to hear the radio signal instead of see it? Nope that not how PreCrisis Superman rolls. Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow? 
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Feb 5, 2014 06:38
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CapnAndy posted:It's born of that lovely Superman Returns video game; the biggest thing I took away from it was how wrong Superman just walking around looked. I love Spider-man 2 (the game), but Spidey just casually strolling on sidewalks is pretty loving weird as well.
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Feb 5, 2014 06:53
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Say Nothing posted:Christopher Reeves pulled this off perfectly. I think he was easily the best movie Superman/Clark Kent. I've always thought that too. Before seeing his movies, the glasses as a disguise thing always seemed dumb, but watching him I could actually believe that people wouldn't see that Clark and Superman were the same person.
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Feb 5, 2014 07:11
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Sefer posted:I've always thought that too. Before seeing his movies, the glasses as a disguise thing always seemed dumb, but watching him I could actually believe that people wouldn't see that Clark and Superman were the same person. One of my favorite scenes in the movie is when he is going to reveal it to Lois and becomes Superman, but changes his mind and goes back to Clark. In the film you got the feeling they were two different people.
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Feb 5, 2014 07:13
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There have always been three people when it comes to Superman, in my humble opinion: - Clark Kent to the relative public - Superman to the relative public - Clark/Superman in relative privacy Reeves' Superman in the first movie and Man of Steel came close to this, but I'd really like to see a formal distinction about these sides to his personality made in a movie.
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Feb 5, 2014 07:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIaF0QKtY0c That's the scene in the apartment in the Superman movie with Reeve. It's just... it's an amazing piece of acting.
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Feb 5, 2014 08:01
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It's been too long since I've seen that. That really was incredible.
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Feb 5, 2014 08:13
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mind the walrus posted:There have always been three people when it comes to Superman, in my humble opinion: However, I'm guessing Batman is Bruce Wayne's true self and his playboy millionaire personality is entirely fake.
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Feb 5, 2014 09:04
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That's the popular interpretation, yeah. Although good writers are wise enough to show Bruce having room for a personality outside of the cowl.
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Feb 5, 2014 09:16
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Say Nothing posted:I guess the true Clark is the guy you see when he's with his parents. I go with the idea that Batman, the Dracula who stalks the criminal underworld, is just as much an act as bumbling billionaire Bruce Wayne. To me, the real deal is Batman in the Batcave in the Bat Costume but with the cape and cowl off so you can see his face. And he's sitting at the Bat-computer doing some detective work while chatting to Alfred and or some other member of the Bat-family.
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Feb 5, 2014 09:46
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So ultimately, Superman and Batman have the same three identities: false public civilian identity that's an act, public costumed image that's closer to reality but exaggerated, and actual private self.
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Feb 5, 2014 10:14
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CapnAndy posted:In the hypothetical Superman run I'm never ever going to get, one of my rules would be that Superman never has his feet on the ground. He's always hovering an inch or so off the ground. It'd be a great way to throw more confusion on the Superman/Clark Kent thing -- Superman's slightly taller than Clark, and they move completely differently, because Superman is always hovering and moving like a steadicam, while Clark walks, which bobs his head and moves his body. It'd be a huge subconcious thing that nobody would notice, but would make them seem very dissimilar. I dunno, if you'll forgive the puns but Superman always seems quite grounded and down-to-earth; a Superman who is constantly, consciously hovering just off the ground projects an image of someone who is trying to tower over and intimidate others. This kinda works when he's doing the whole 'hovering nonchalantly while looking down at a villain thing' but seems a bit condescending when he's doing it to just some ordinary joe. I dunno what other people would think but I would be thinking, "Who is this guy? Does he think he's too good to walk on the same ground I do?"
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Feb 5, 2014 11:45
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Yeah part of Superman is that he's always been willing to literally ground himself to engage people on their level. Yeah it looks weird to see him walking or running around for an extended period of time just getting from point A to point B, but the JL and JLU cartoons showed him walking around plenty of times and it never looked weird.
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Feb 5, 2014 11:50
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The Question IRL posted:To me, the real deal is Batman in the Batcave in the Bat Costume but with the cape and cowl off so you can see his face. And he's sitting at the Bat-computer doing some detective work while chatting to Alfred and or some other member of the Bat-family. One of my favorite things about the Keaton batman was just him watching him work at the computer while wearing a turtleneck and sipping tea.
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Feb 5, 2014 17:03
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Vakal posted:One of my favorite things about the Keaton batman was just him watching him work at the computer while wearing a turtleneck and sipping tea. 
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Feb 5, 2014 17:06
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MikeJF posted:So ultimately, Superman and Batman have the same three identities: false public civilian identity that's an act, public costumed image that's closer to reality but exaggerated, and actual private self. I've always felt like Clark is exactly who Superman would be if he didn't have powers. Superman doesn't NEED a day job, but he has one because he wants all the normal things in life. He's really just a normal guy (personality wise) who is a good person and does good because it wouldn't feel right if he didn't. Basically, Superman takes "With great power comes great responsibility" even farther than Spidey does - Spider-man's powers allowed him to become more than just some nobody (hell, I could see Peter Parker becoming a super-science villain if he never got his powers!)- Superman would still be happy, and an awesome guy doing the best he can, even if he was just a "mild-mannered reporter". I admit that my nostalgia for this view of the character might be heavily colored by Astro City #1 and it's ideas of responsibility and sacrifice as related to the superman character.
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theflyingorc posted:I've always felt like Clark is exactly who Superman would be if he didn't have powers. Superman doesn't NEED a day job, but he has one because he wants all the normal things in life. He's really just a normal guy (personality wise) who is a good person and does good because it wouldn't feel right if he didn't. I'm pretty sure if he wasn't secretly Superman, Clark Kent wouldn't affect all that Jerry Lewis bumbling around stuff or act so, well, mild-mannered. I know some comics write Clark as bold and respected and with dignity, but I'm talking about the classic interpretation here. And to be honest writing Daily Planet Clark as a Cool Guy seems like writers missing the point and being unable to accept that Superman would willingly make himself look kind of like a tool in his civilian life.
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So Ms. Marvel #1 came out today and it turns out that young Ms. Khan has some very... tumblr-friendly interests. She's already hit 1,000 upvotes! 404GoonNotFound fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Feb 5, 2014 |
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Feb 5, 2014 17:25
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While it could cynically read as a pandering attempt (MLP! Upvotes! Fanfic! We're down with you kids! Especially you girls!), it is at least not that creepy or unrealistic that a younger girl would like MLP.
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Feb 5, 2014 17:46
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redbackground posted:Keaton was such an excellent Wayne The thing about Keaton as Wayne is that Wayne is supposed to be a secret identity. Like, if you socialized with the B:TAS Bruce Wayne and suddenly found out he was Batman your reaction would likely be "THAT guy? You can't be serious." Whereas if you socialized with Keaton-Wayne and found out he was Batman your reaction would be more like a slow nod. "Yeah, that makes sense." Keaton usually comes across as a little nuts, and Keaton-Wayne came across as more than a little nuts.
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Lurdiak posted:I'm pretty sure if he wasn't secretly Superman, Clark Kent wouldn't affect all that Jerry Lewis bumbling around stuff or act so, well, mild-mannered. I know some comics write Clark as bold and respected and with dignity, but I'm talking about the classic interpretation here. And to be honest writing Daily Planet Clark as a Cool Guy seems like writers missing the point and being unable to accept that Superman would willingly make himself look kind of like a tool in his civilian life. fatherdog posted:The thing about Keaton as Wayne is that Wayne is supposed to be a secret identity. Like, if you socialized with the B:TAS Bruce Wayne and suddenly found out he was Batman your reaction would likely be "THAT guy? You can't be serious." Whereas if you socialized with Keaton-Wayne and found out he was Batman your reaction would be more like a slow nod. "Yeah, that makes sense." Keaton usually comes across as a little nuts, and Keaton-Wayne came across as more than a little nuts. theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Feb 5, 2014 |
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Feb 5, 2014 17:50
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fatherdog posted:The thing about Keaton as Wayne is that Wayne is supposed to be a secret identity. Like, if you socialized with the B:TAS Bruce Wayne and suddenly found out he was Batman your reaction would likely be "THAT guy? You can't be serious." Whereas if you socialized with Keaton-Wayne and found out he was Batman your reaction would be more like a slow nod. "Yeah, that makes sense." Keaton usually comes across as a little nuts, and Keaton-Wayne came across as more than a little nuts.
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Feb 5, 2014 17:56
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theflyingorc posted:Listen I'm basically just irritated at the speech from Kill Bill Volume 2. I loved Conroy's work, like you mention, and I liked how Terry in Beyond tried to do the same but it just came across as a kid trying to hide their voice, which kinda fit. On the flipside, Bale kinda took the voice off in the opposite direction; you'd think Wayne Corp bought a majority interest in Halls or Ricola with all the Cookie Monster bullshit Bruce was pulling at night. I can't even remember how Clooney did as Wayne; I seem to remember he was just 100% Clooney the whole time, but I watched those when they came out and haven't since.
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Feb 5, 2014 18:04
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John Dyne posted:I loved Conroy's work, like you mention, and I liked how Terry in Beyond tried to do the same but it just came across as a kid trying to hide their voice, which kinda fit. On the flipside, Bale kinda took the voice off in the opposite direction; you'd think Wayne Corp bought a majority interest in Halls or Ricola with all the Cookie Monster bullshit Bruce was pulling at night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3zJxF-0N3Y I can't listen at work, but there's a line in there to the tune of "Someone should have told him he sounded ridiculous." For people who can't watch it - he's still very respectful. He talks about how, as an actor, you have to commit to things that sometimes look/sound really stupid to you personally, and that you can't tell that something is dumb when you're inside it. He's seriously blaming everyone BUT Bale for how silly his Batman sounds. To further derail - my least favorite thing about Bale's Batman is that Batman himself is almost entirely forgettable - the universe and characters around him are incredible, but there's a reason everyone quotes Bane and The Joker instead of Batman lines. theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Feb 5, 2014 |
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fatherdog posted:The thing about Keaton as Wayne is that Wayne is supposed to be a secret identity. Like, if you socialized with the B:TAS Bruce Wayne and suddenly found out he was Batman your reaction would likely be "THAT guy? You can't be serious." Whereas if you socialized with Keaton-Wayne and found out he was Batman your reaction would be more like a slow nod. "Yeah, that makes sense." Keaton usually comes across as a little nuts, and Keaton-Wayne came across as more than a little nuts. 
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fatherdog posted:The thing about Keaton as Wayne is that Wayne is supposed to be a secret identity. Like, if you socialized with the B:TAS Bruce Wayne and suddenly found out he was Batman your reaction would likely be "THAT guy? You can't be serious." Whereas if you socialized with Keaton-Wayne and found out he was Batman your reaction would be more like a slow nod. "Yeah, that makes sense." Keaton usually comes across as a little nuts, and Keaton-Wayne came across as more than a little nuts. I agree with this, it's a very good break down. That being said, the best line in Batman Returns is Christopher Walken, on seeing Batman take off his mask say "Bruce Wayne? Why are you dressed like Batman?" theflyingorc posted:Kevin Conroy's professional opinion on Bale's Batman is pretty good: Hey....to be fair people also quote Alfred a lot.
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theflyingorc posted:Kevin Conroy's professional opinion on Bale's Batman is pretty good: From the interviews I read with Bale, making Batman completely ridiculous was deliberate, because the concept was utterly ridiculous to him, and he figured that the only way someone could be Batman and take their job seriously was to make him an utterly over the top creature. In his opinion, having a Batman with a normal voice who has normal conversations would have been much stupider.
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Feb 5, 2014 18:20
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theflyingorc posted:Listen I'm basically just irritated at the speech from Kill Bill Volume 2. We all are dude. Tarantino basically set the clock back on casual Superman interpretation 20 years with that pile of dogshit, and I like Tarantino (I even like Death Proof). theflyingorc posted:Kevin Conroy's professional opinion on Bale's Batman is pretty good: And bear in mind this is the one guy on Earth who has completely earned the right to trash-talk someone for doing a bad Batman voice, but he's wise enough to recognize that it really wasn't Bale's fault he sounded like poo poo when there's supposed to be an entire team of collaborators around to help prevent that kind-of poo poo from happening. quote:To further derail - my least favorite thing about Bale's Batman is that Batman himself is almost entirely forgettable - the universe and characters around him are incredible, but there's a reason everyone quotes Bane and The Joker instead of Batman lines. Yup. Batman Begins was the only movie in that entire trilogy where Batman was more than a force of nature showing up to counter-balance the other, more interesting characters, and even then that's only because Batman has an arc about becoming Batman. He had, what, one quotable line in three movies ("Swear to me!") that was kneecapped by Bale's unfortunate voice? Not that quotes make the man, but y'know, it does act as shorthand for how much of an impression a character makes. John Dyne posted:I loved Conroy's work, like you mention, and I liked how Terry in Beyond tried to do the same but it just came across as a kid trying to hide their voice, which kinda fit. Which worked because Terry was a total nobody relative to even old Bruce Wayne, so even though he was doing a terrible job disguising his voice it didn't matter 99% of the time. quote:I can't even remember how Clooney did as Wayne; I seem to remember he was just 100% Clooney the whole time, but I watched those when they came out and haven't since. You're remembering right. He basically acts at one level the entire movie, and that's at Clooney level. E-- Lurdiak posted:From the interviews I read with Bale, making Batman completely ridiculous was deliberate, because the concept was utterly ridiculous to him, and he figured that the only way someone could be Batman and take their job seriously was to make him an utterly over the top creature. In his opinion, having a Batman with a normal voice who has normal conversations would have been much stupider. Then he really needed someone he respected to come in, show him the dailies, and go "Everyone is going to make fun of you for this. You can say you don't give a poo poo, but it's shooting the production in the foot here. Change your approach." mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Feb 5, 2014 |
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mind the walrus posted:We all are dude. Tarantino basically set the clock back on casual Superman interpretation 20 years with that pile of dogshit, and I like Tarantino (I even like Death Proof). quote:Take my favorite superhero, Superman. Not a great comic book. Not particularly well-drawn. But the mythology… The mythology is not only great, it’s unique. "not particularly well drawn" "Superman was born Superman" The very concept of Superman being disdainful of the common man And, of course, the stark fact that outside of the "born" aspect of it, every single quality he assigns to Superman here applies a thousand times more to Batman.
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