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Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but Pain and Gain has been getting divided opinions everywhere man.
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mind the walrus posted:Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but Pain and Gain has been getting divided opinions everywhere man. No I'm saying that saying that there's a unanimous opinion about anything is dumb.
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Feb 5, 2014 13:28
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Sion posted:Yo, I watched that Pain and Game movie everyone said was great and it blew fuckin' chunks so here we are in the land of unanimous consent where up is down and black is white. Actually I think this just confirms it's good.
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Feb 5, 2014 14:12
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mind the walrus posted:Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but Pain and Gain has been getting divided opinions everywhere man. A lot of people have been saying that not only was pg good but anyone who doesn't like it "does not have taste" and accusing reviewers of being hacks for "not getting it" - go back two or three pages in this thread. I haven't seen it yet because it's making it kinda sound like it's prometheus or something.
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Feb 5, 2014 14:18
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Keep in mind that Iron Man 3 had a huge push in China, and included scenes filmed specifically for that market that weren't in the US version of the movie. Going the yellow peril route with the Mandarin probably wouldn't have played well over there.
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Feb 5, 2014 19:23
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Sion posted:No I'm saying that saying that there's a unanimous opinion about anything is dumb. Which is why I clarified it with "I've seen so far" you big dummy. Sometimes your sample size really is unanimous in agreement on something, same way you can flip a coin 20 times and get heads every time. It's unlikely, but it does happen. Rita Repulsa posted:A lot of people have been saying that not only was pg good but anyone who doesn't like it "does not have taste" and accusing reviewers of being hacks for "not getting it" - go back two or three pages in this thread. Ah. I'm not surprised. I don't think it's being misrepresented like Prometheus, although those arguments sure do sound familiar. Beanpants posted:Keep in mind that Iron Man 3 had a huge push in China, and included scenes filmed specifically for that market that weren't in the US version of the movie. Going the yellow peril route with the Mandarin probably wouldn't have played well over there. Wait what scenes were filmed for the Chinese market? That's really interesting.
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Feb 5, 2014 19:29
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mind the walrus posted:Wait what scenes were filmed for the Chinese market? That's really interesting. They involve a character named Dr. Wu, who's in the opening and ending briefly in the non-Chinese version. There's a scene where he talks with Jarvis on the phone, and then a scene where he talks with his assistant about the procedure to remove the shrapnel from the end of the movie. RDJ isn't in the scenes.
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Feb 5, 2014 19:50
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:My only problem with this is my pet theory on what they'd do with Mandarin is have Trevor come back and re-assume the role, perhaps with the suggestion that he'd been the real mastermind all along playing the other guys for chumps. My favorite theory running around was that there would be a bunch of aim or ten rings member that believed Trevor was playing a long con and would thrust him into an unwanted leadership role and Trevor has to keep playing the Mandarin 24/7 to save his own skin.
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Feb 5, 2014 20:22
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Hate to interrupt the Iron Man discussion, but the Funny Panel threads is having a minor derail over a line in Kill Bill and we were told to move it to the movie thread. That being this line.Bill from Kill Bill posted:Take my favorite superhero, Superman. Not a great comic book. Not particularly well-drawn. But the mythology… The mythology is not only great, it’s unique. People's argument is that Tarantino clearly doesn't GET Superman: to me, this scene was never about Taratinto not getting it, but Bill himself. Of course Bill, who runs a circle of assassins, and who tried to murder the main character of the film duology for the terrible crime of wanting to get married, would see Superman as viewing himself as both innately superior and needing to wear a disguise to let his inferiors know they were just that. Sociopaths project a LOT, as they tend to think they're enlightened of the truths of the world and that the only reason other people don't follow their beliefs is because they're scared of punishment.
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Feb 5, 2014 20:45
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Yeah, Bill is the Wise Mentor except that he's constantly wrong about the world and the people in it.
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That may be true Cornwind Evil, and that's an interpretation I've heard before and thought was interesting. That's not the problem I have with it. The problem is that it's a factually erroneous and painfully outdated view of Superman that most viewers are going to take at face value and reinforce misguided beliefs about the character. Too many viewers forego critical thinking and simply take what they're hearing from Tarantino and nod their heads because on the surface he makes a compelling argument-- if all you know about Superman is his "...more powerful than a locomotive! As mild-mannered Clark Kent he works at the Daily Planet but when danger calls he changes into Superman!..." taglines from pop culture the reasoning Bill gives sounds very solid. That's why it's so drat frustrating. Not because it doesn't work in the context of the movie, it demonstrably does, but because all it really does in practice is create a new generation of people ossified in their belief that "Superman is boring because he's too perfect."
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Feb 5, 2014 21:00
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mind the walrus posted:The problem is that it's a factually erroneous and painfully outdated view of Superman that most viewers are going to take at face value and reinforce misguided beliefs about the character. Too many viewers forego critical thinking and simply take what they're hearing from Tarantino and nod their heads because on the surface he makes a compelling argument-- if all you know about Superman is his "...more powerful than a locomotive! As mild-mannered Clark Kent he works at the Daily Planet but when danger calls he changes into Superman!..." taglines from pop culture the reasoning Bill gives sounds very solid. That's why it's so drat frustrating. Not because it doesn't work in the context of the movie, it demonstrably does, but because all it really does in practice is create a new generation of people ossified in their belief that "Superman is boring because he's too perfect." That, unfortunately, is part of a larger problem that has nothing to do with fiction and everything to do with people; they're going to take away from stuff what they take away and want to take away, and if they don't feel the need to look at other aspects and/or change their minds, then that is that. You can't change people's minds, no matter how much you try. Aquaman is a prime example. We comic book fans can definitely see the nuances of his character, but to the public at large he's LOL Talks To Fish Man (Thanks Superfriends). The comics tried so drat hard to 'fix' this by doing stuff like giving him a hook hand and murdering his infant son to cause him angst: end result, most people STILL think of him as LOL Talks To Fish Man. It didn't do a drat thing to change the perception. We have to live with that. Maybe those people will never know the great stuff about Aquaman like his relationship with Mera, or summoning enough sea life to take down an invading Old One, and that's the way it has to be. Hell, one of the main reasons the comic book industry is in such a mess is because it's being run by people who can't stand the idea that their medium is seen as immature and for kids, and keep trying to 'fix' it, only to show that they're still immature and people's assessment of them is accurate.
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Feb 5, 2014 21:20
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Cornwind Evil posted:That, unfortunately, is part of a larger problem that has nothing to do with fiction and everything to do with people; they're going to take away from stuff what they take away and want to take away, and if they don't feel the need to look at other aspects and/or change their minds, then that is that. Something Bill's speech demonstrates, he concentrates on the older interpretation because he identifies with it more then modern interpretations. You simply can't hold an author responsible for interpretations of his work as fiction is essentially chaos incarnate once it encounters a wide audience with disparate interpretations front, left, and center.
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Feb 5, 2014 23:30
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mind the walrus posted:That may be true Cornwind Evil, and that's an interpretation I've heard before and thought was interesting. That's not the problem I have with it. Who cares? People have a lot of acquired opinions about comic books, because the characters are so big in American culture but only nerds read comic books. "Superman's boring because he''s perfect," "Batman has the best villains," "Batman and the Joker are just like, different sides of the same coin," You gotta decide for yourself how much of your life you want to spend trying to correct erroneous common wisdom like that.
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Feb 6, 2014 01:55
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That's not a problem with Kill Bill you have, man, that's a problem you have with some of the people that watched Kill Bill.
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boom boom boom posted:Who cares? People have a lot of acquired opinions about comic books, because the characters are so big in American culture but only nerds read comic books. "Superman's boring because he''s perfect," "Batman has the best villains," "Batman and the Joker are just like, different sides of the same coin," You gotta decide for yourself how much of your life you want to spend trying to correct erroneous common wisdom like that. Well, to bring this back to the idea that people take away what they want from fiction... those aren't necessarily incorrect interpretations, since they're all pretty subjective and about characters that, by now, have had a stupid number of incarnations. There isn't one Superman that towers over all other versions and informs them as the One Correct Superman, it's a few basic traits that have been slapped on what is by now at least 50 different distinct characters. Reeves' Superman is worlds apart from the one in Man of Steel, animated series Clark Kent has almost nothing in common with Smallville Clark Kent. Silver Age wacky adventures Superman and Byrne's "modern" Superman have very little in common. So if someone says Superman is boring, they're really just talking about whichever version of Superman they know or consider most typical. If someone says Superman is SO INSPIRING and that people who don't appreciate him are soulless monsters, they're imbeciles, and they're clearly not talking about the Super Friends version. I just don't see why anyone has to get mad about what people think about what's essentially a corporate mascot that can be interpreted in millions of ways and made to stand for anything.
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I'm very well aware of all of that guys. I was just explaining why the Bill speech bugs me because multiple people in multiple threads today are under the impression that people with my opinion just don't "get" how the speech fits into the movie.
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mind the walrus posted:I'm very well aware of all of that guys. I was just explaining why the Bill speech bugs me because multiple people in multiple threads today are under the impression that people with my opinion just don't "get" how the speech fits into the movie. In the end it's not the speech, it's the rest of the audience. An artist can never be 100% sure what a viewer will take away from their work. I've got my own problems with QT, but I don't think he's really at fault in this case.
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Feb 6, 2014 07:16
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I never once blamed Tarantino for the speech nor said it was his fault. I still don't like the speech.
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Feb 6, 2014 07:18
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He also says it had bad art. Also Batman is a better proxy for all of those accusations. Also I can't think of a version of superman where he looks down on everyone. Basically everything Bill says is nonsense and I find it irritating.
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Feb 6, 2014 07:50
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Evangeline Lily in talks to be in Ant-Man. http://variety.com/2014/film/news/evangeline-lilly-marvels-ant-man-1201059601/
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Feb 6, 2014 08:23
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The MSJ posted:Evangeline Lily in talks to be in Ant-Man. I mean, I'm rooting for success for any of the LOST cast members, but can't we all just be realistic and admit that Josh Holloway would make a much better Wasp?
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Feb 6, 2014 08:27
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theflyingorc posted:Also I can't think of a version of superman where he looks down on everyone. He pretty much did in Kingdom Come, to the point of utter contempt before ghost man 'saved' him.
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Feb 6, 2014 11:12
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That was more of a learned response after years of truly awful poo poo happening to him and the world he had faith in, and is definitely the exception rather than the rule.
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Feb 6, 2014 11:15
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theflyingorc posted:Also I can't think of a version of superman where he looks down on everyone. You never read Grounded?
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Feb 6, 2014 14:19
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Error 404 posted:Other than Almost Human, who is Gina Carano, and why do nerds love her? She was excellent as the lead in Haywire, the best action movie of 2012 and one of Steven Soderbergh's best movies ever. She'd also make a good Wonder Woman.
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Feb 6, 2014 14:26
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The MSJ posted:Evangeline Lily in talks to be in Ant-Man. For a quick second I thought you said Eugene Levy.
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Feb 6, 2014 15:37
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IUG posted:For a quick second I thought you said Eugene Levy.
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Feb 6, 2014 15:54
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The MSJ posted:Evangeline Lily in talks to be in Ant-Man. I'm down. Eugene Levy as Wasp would be superior though, I gotta admit. Did want Rashida Jones.
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theflyingorc posted:Also I can't think of a version of superman where he looks down on everyone. 
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Fair point, but that's the same Superman who is trying to murder both Lois and Jimmy constantly, so I'm not sure it's a characterization people care about. I haven't read Grounded, what's up with it?
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theflyingorc posted:Fair point, but that's the same Superman who is trying to murder both Lois and Jimmy constantly, so I'm not sure it's a characterization people care about. Its Superman's walk across America and being a condescending rear end to everyone.
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theflyingorc posted:I haven't read Grounded, what's up with it?
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theflyingorc posted:I haven't read Grounded, what's up with it?
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theflyingorc posted:Fair point, but that's the same Superman who is trying to murder both Lois and Jimmy constantly, so I'm not sure it's a characterization people care about. It's a really bad, obnoxious Superman run where he goes around lecturing people.
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Hey man he totally showed how illegal aliens are important to America because they can bring space tech to Earth. I wish that was a joke.
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Feb 6, 2014 17:46
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redbackground posted:It's the best, you should go out and buy the hardcovers for full price, it's that good. I'm waiting for the Absolute, personally.
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redbackground posted:It's the best, you should go out and buy the hardcovers for full price, it's that good. I feel like I am being tricked. I had heard about the Walk Across America thing, and that it was very bad, I just didn't know the name of it off the top of my head. The Best Superman is still unfortunately in Astro City and named Samaritan, tho
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