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Attorney at Funk posted:I've completely forgotten what I want out of Exalted. What I want now is an apology from DeathMatchFM, and to change my shirt. What I wanted out of Exalted PR was more people dancing around issues and assuring us everything will be amazing while offering us no content and making me feel kind of uncomfortable in the process, so I couldn't be happier. Thank you Exalted 3e.
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DeathmatchFM posted:Sadly I can't talk detail about how mechanics work, or give any specific examples. I can only do is dance like a little birdie around the issues. I mean, even if I said that Exalted Third Edition got rid of all dice rolling in favor of flipping coins, it wouldn't make sense unless there was some context behind it. Every single bit of creator feedback can just be replaced by this post, over and over.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:42
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Mikan posted:What I wanted out of Exalted PR was more people dancing around issues and assuring us everything will be amazing while offering us no content and making me feel kind of uncomfortable in the process, so I couldn't be happier. Thank you Exalted 3e. I love it when people feel compelled to speak out against the very act of thinking and talking about things before they're released. I love love love it. It's like jazz, man. It's the thoughts you aren't thinking.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:44
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Bedlamdan posted:
No one wants or needs you to, since we already know that whatever you'd state outright is an awkward and inelegant alternative to "the Dawn skills are archery, brawl, melee, thrown, and war; the martial arts exist as a series of merits and charm trees".
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Feb 5, 2014 22:47
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Mikan posted:What I wanted out of Exalted PR was more people dancing around issues and assuring us everything will be amazing while offering us no content and making me feel kind of uncomfortable in the process, so I couldn't be happier. Thank you Exalted 3e. I do understand. It's December and your parents put the Christmas tree up, and you want to see the presents. Last year was a lame Christmas (you got socks and underwear?) and you're worried about this Christmas. I can't unwrap the presents for you. All I can say is I was there when you parents got the presents and it's some good stuff. The only thing I have the power to say is that your wait shouldn't be uncomfortable, it should be with excitement.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:48
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DeathmatchFM posted:I do understand. It's December and your parents put the Christmas tree up, and you want to see the presents. Last year was a lame Christmas (you got socks and underwear?) and you're worried about this Christmas. Oh my god man, leave them alone. They're just metaphors, you monster. They never hurt anybody.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:49
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DeathmatchFM posted:How often is it that I actually show up on the Exalted community to make a comment anymore? Let me talk about Third Edition. I read this and reflexively visualized someone riding in tight circles around me on a dirt bike, shouting it at the top of their lungs.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:49
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DeathmatchFM posted:Let me finish off by saying this. I've known Mørke for years now, and he's not stupid. He's not selling you just some mechanics. The combat is the corn to the fabulous, juicy steak that he's cooking up. Now personally, I like corn. I like it buttery and with a bit of pepper, and John knows how to make some drat good corn. But I'm not on this rocketship for the corn, and you shouldn't be either. It's the juicy steak that is there that you want. Exalted is a Storytelling game, and that storytelling and setting is that wonderful steak. If you only want to eat corn, or the corn is all you care about, then I can't help it if you feel unsatisfied. But if you take even a bite of this steak, you'll remember that the corn was only a side dish. Suppose what I remember is the corn in the turd after? Second Edition, more like Second Harvest, am I right?
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Feb 5, 2014 22:51
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DeathmatchFM posted:I do understand. It's December and your parents put the Christmas tree up, and you want to see the presents. Last year was a lame Christmas (you got socks and underwear?) and you're worried about this Christmas. Jesus, just shut up. Ferrinus posted:No one wants or needs you to, since we already know that whatever you'd state outright is an awkward and inelegant alternative to "the Dawn skills are archery, brawl, melee, thrown, and war; the martial arts exist as a series of merits and charm trees". No it sounds like you need to. Look, here you go. Martial Arts and Brawl are separate abilities with dots apportioned separately.
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DeathmatchFM posted:I do understand. It's December and your parents put the Christmas tree up, and you want to see the presents. Last year was a lame Christmas (you got socks and underwear?) and you're worried about this Christmas. Hey, question from the audience: how come the order in which I unwrap my presents causes their value and quality to change, such that I have to carefully plan an optimal unboxing sequence or else permanently lose out on Christmas cheer?
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Doc Aquatic posted:I read this and reflexively visualized someone riding in tight circles around me on a dirt bike, shouting it at the top of their lungs. While Dave Mustaine himself shredded the hell out of Grabbag in the background.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:52
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Combat as war? No. Combat as corn.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:53
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Ferrinus posted:Hey, question from the audience: how come the order in which I unwrap my presents causes their value and quality to change, such that I have to carefully plan an optimal unboxing sequence or else permanently lose out on Christmas cheer? The Christmas metaphor is doubly hilarious because, get this: everyone knows when Christmas is
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Feb 5, 2014 22:53
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DeathmatchFM posted:I do understand. It's December and your parents put the Christmas tree up, and you want to see the presents. Last year was a lame Christmas (you got socks and underwear?) and you're worried about this Christmas. Could you shill any harder? Please, stop talking if you aren't going to provide anything tangible. Winson_Paine posted:Suppose what I remember is the corn in the turd after? If you replaced Exalted's Storyteller mechanics with a brand new system derived from Harvest Moon's gameplay I promise you it would be better than anything you will get from Exalted Third Edition, though I can't tell you the specifics save in vague metaphors.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:54
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Ferrinus posted:Hey, question from the audience: how come the order in which I unwrap my presents causes their value and quality to change, such that I have to carefully plan an optimal unboxing sequence or else permanently lose out on Christmas cheer? Yes, and also you are not allowed to complain if what you get is nothing like what you wanted, or if it doesn't work right. Just loving enjoy it, all right? They made it for you.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:55
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Bedlamdan posted:No it sounds like you need to. Look, here you go. Martial Arts and Brawl are separate abilities with dots apportioned separately. Oh hey, another bit of good news. Looks like they aren't fixated on maintaining the exact ability spread from 2E, then, which is more good news. (Even though I like the huge pile of abilities and the charms to go with them. Fiddly bits are part of why I like Exalted.)
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Ferrinus posted:Hey, question from the audience: how come the order in which I unwrap my presents causes their value and quality to change, such that I have to carefully plan an optimal unboxing sequence or else permanently lose out on Christmas cheer? I can answer this. We're still buying presents and nothing is beyond being returned yet. What was said about there still being a BP/XP divide shouldn't have been said. Playtesting, at this point, has no experience system. So for the purposes of developing a playtest character, who has no experience and cannot gain it, you use BP at character creation. I'm not saying that there is no BP/XP divide, and I'm not saying there will be. All I'm saying is that the final product isn't finished. You want the game to be the best that it can be, and so do I. The writers are working hard, and playtesters are giving appropriate feedback. A good portion of the dancing birdie is because we don't have a finished product yet.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:57
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DeathmatchFM posted:I can answer this. They want to keep an XP system but do not wish to test it. I see.
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Feb 5, 2014 22:59
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Strength of Many posted:They want to keep an XP system but do not wish to test it. I see. It may be something that's just not finished yet, and thus isn't in the playtest rules. 
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Feb 5, 2014 23:01
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Strength of Many posted:If you replaced Exalted's Storyteller mechanics with a brand new system derived from Harvest Moon's gameplay I promise you it would be better than anything you will get from Exalted Third Edition, though I can't tell you the specifics save in vague metaphors. Could you tell us why you are disappointed with the playtest stuff?
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Feb 5, 2014 23:02
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Did this happen on purpose, like did you read that the main thing everybody was irritated with was the no-content check out this book I have sorry you can't but it's really good I promise and you thought the solution was to double down on it and make it even more annoying
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Feb 5, 2014 23:03
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Ego Trip posted:Could you tell us why you are disappointed with the playtest stuff? Wait, I need a reason to be disappointed with Exalted? Kenlon posted:It may be something that's just not finished yet, and thus isn't in the playtest rules. Given how awful the XP system and training times are/was in Exalted, and by extension Storyteller, one would think it is the among the first things they would tackle.
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Feb 5, 2014 23:03
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Strength of Many posted:They want to keep an XP system but do not wish to test it. I see. They don't have an XP system and therefore they cannot test it. When they have made one I will give appropriate feedback if they have also retained the BP system.
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Feb 5, 2014 23:04
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Strength of Many posted:Wait, I need a reason to be disappointed with Exalted? It'd help if you packaged it up for us in an increasingly-painful holiday metaphor.
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Feb 5, 2014 23:04
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Strength of Many posted:Wait, I need a reason to be disappointed with Exalted? No, just asking if you would share specific reasons. I am making the assumption that you have seen the playtest stuff. If that's wrong, then ignore me, I guess.
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Strength of Many posted:They want to keep an XP system but do not wish to test it. I see. So if you want to test combat or social influence, how exactly your character gets those traits doesn't matter. You just need to see if they work, so that if someone playing the game progressed to whatever point you had them, it would make sense. Experience and Bonus Points are just numbers on paper. The first thing to playtest is what those numbers do, not how they get there.
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I'm really confused as to why anyone thought this would be helpful. 'Man I sure would like something concrete!' 'Well, I can't give you that, but I CAN ramble about playstations for nine paragraphs!' Just say 'it's not finished yet' and leave it there. Do not say, 'BUT YOU'LL LOVE IT, HONEST'. Just... shhh. Shh.
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Mikan posted:Did this happen on purpose, like did you read that the main thing everybody was irritated with was the no-content check out this book I have sorry you can't but it's really good I promise and you thought the solution was to double down on it and make it even more annoying Don't look at me.
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Feb 5, 2014 23:06
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Exalted 3E is like a box of chocolates, if the guy behind the counter at See's refused to tell you what was in the box when you asked, and then got really mad at you for asking??
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Feb 5, 2014 23:06
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BryanChavez posted:It'd help if you packaged it up for us in an increasingly-painful holiday metaphor. They've gotta be, like, a White Wolf Forums poster who was Stirred To Action. Nobody does turgid overwritten prose like a C student in Thomas Friedman's English Comp in defense of nothing quite like a White Wolf Forums Poster.
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tatankatonk posted:Exalted 3E is like a box of chocolates, if the guy behind the counter at See's refused to tell you what was in the box when you asked, and then got really mad at you for asking?? If you have a peanut allergy you're going to be really surprised by what we've done with these chocolates.
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You'll love Exalted Third Edition if you like: Steak, Corn, Christmas, Presents, Rocketships, Playstation 2, The Moon, Unfulfilled Promises You might not like Exalted Third Edition if you like: Actually seeing content, cat-piss couches, ratty t-shirts, change, crying, screaming, being ungrateful
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Stephenls posted:Don't look at me. I would have been kind of impressed if you were able to summon a post like that on command though.
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BryanChavez posted:It'd help if you packaged it up for us in an increasingly-painful holiday metaphor. poo poo, I'm not good at these. Let me summarize it as; fans turned writers, forum community echo chambers, the continued use of Storyteller as the core mechanic and an unwillingness (or inability?) to break away from any of that. They're fine with packing in their own scraps into the setting narrative but nothing concrete on the mechanics ends beyond More charms, which was honestly the least impressive part of their tenure as Ink Monkeys, to me. edit: I would try to give credit to the Momentum mechanic and w/e but I can't when they won't tell us how any of it works. Heh.
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I was playing a round of golf with Exalted CEO Holden Shearer, when he mentioned to me, "Deathmatch FM, the RPG playing field is being leveled." As I left the White Wolf building that evening on my way back to the airport, I kept chewing on that phrase, “The RPG playing field is being leveled.” What Holden is saying, I thought, is that the playing field is being flattened… Flattened? Flattened? My God, he’s telling me Exalted is a rocketship to the Moon!
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Mikan posted:I would have been kind of impressed if you were able to summon a post like that on command though. I could probably type something like that up but the closest I'd ever want to would be that last long overdramatic one about Raksi. DeathMatchFM, no disrespect to your enthusiasm, but right now we've delivered less than the Gearbox demo for Aliens: Colonial Marines. People involved in dev can say whatever they want, but for the sceptical, anything short of disclosure is suspect. We're not disclosing yet, but that doesn't mean I'm disappointed to see scepticism -- it's the sign of a discerning audience! Since I can't disclose, all I'm here to do is try to prevent sceptics from becoming haters, and engage in what commentary I can, like thoughts on Raksi and the conceptual origins of Ixcoatli. Stephenls fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Feb 5, 2014 |
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I was literally in the ER last night and am posting from my sickbed to tell you to holy poo poo stop Deathmatch.
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For real though StephenLS that thing with Raksi was interesting and it's a shame you guys aren't talking more openly about things like that more often. It's not like direct mechanical content or previews or anything, but it's something that gives us any kind of insight at all to what you guys are doing. Even the stuff I didn't agree with was at least something.
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Plus we can try to infer things by asking you leading questions! Speaking of which, we know a fair amount by now about your preferences as an Exalted designer, writer, and editor. I'm curious, though, about you as an Exalted player. What kinds of characters are you most interested in making, or what kinds of chronicles are you most interested in running, in Third Edition? What jumps out to you as especially fun and engaging given your own preferences?
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Mikan posted:For real though StephenLS that thing with Raksi was interesting and it's a shame you guys aren't talking more openly about things like that more often. It's not like direct mechanical content or previews or anything, but it's something that gives us any kind of insight at all to what you guys are doing. Even the stuff I didn't agree with was at least something. Okay Mikan, do you want me to start leaking some of the mechanics stuff I was able to find out? Keeping in mind that from what I understand the playtest changes pretty frequently.
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