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Wow you hate Cabin in the Woods? I simply do not understand that Waterhaul, although I respect it. And neither movie did badly financially. Neither was expected to burn up at the box office so I imagine neither are considered career-killers, although yeah Hemsworth is going to need to be in a big hit outside of Thor soon or be thought of (unfairly, I think) as a one-role wonder.
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Waterhaul posted:I thought Rush was pretty mediocre and since I hate everything anyway I really, really hated Cabin in the Woods. Though I had thought neither did particularly well financially. Really? I thought Cabin in the Woods was pretty ubiquitously beloved. What did you dislike about it?
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Feb 10, 2014 08:51
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Rush was one of the better movies of last year and Hemsworth was fantastic in it. And I say that as a person that couldn't give two shits about car racing.
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Feb 10, 2014 09:37
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SlimGoodbody posted:Really? I thought Cabin in the Woods was pretty ubiquitously beloved. What did you dislike about it? I posted a chunk about it in the thread when it came out but it was a critique of horror films by people who apparently hadn't seen a horror film since the mid 80s. Even with the release delay it was woefully out of touch with post 00's horror and was a pretty bad horror film on it's own right. Even horror/comedy film when the Evil Dead remake came out after it and managed to be a billion times better.
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Feb 10, 2014 09:41
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I'm pretty sure Cabin in the Woods is supposed to be referencing 70s and 80s horror movies.
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twistedmentat posted:I'm pretty sure Cabin in the Woods is supposed to be referencing 70s and 80s horror movies. It should have been set in the 80s then when the majority of the film is "the audience" being bored of how stale and repetitive horror films currently are.
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Waterhaul posted:I posted a chunk about it in the thread when it came out but it was a critique of horror films by people who apparently hadn't seen a horror film since the mid 80s. Even with the release delay it was woefully out of touch with post 00's horror and was a pretty bad horror film on it's own right. Even horror/comedy film when the Evil Dead remake came out after it and managed to be a billion times better. You're right about Cabin in the Woods feeling dated in its commentary. It didn't focus on the torture porn Saw/Hostel movies of the 00s much at all although it touched upon Japanese ghost horror and the whole "zombie redneck torture family" joke was a pretty clear harp on how recycled that brand of horror was in the 00s with the deluge of 70s and 80s remakes (hi Platinum Dunes!). There were clear nods to 00s "home invasion" horror like the Strangers during the third act, but more as background characters since frankly there wasn't any other place to put them. No, it doesn't comment on "self-aware" slashers like Scream from the 90s, but because Scream is such a direct progenitor of Cabin in the Woods I don't particularly mind. Waterhaul posted:It should have been set in the 80s then when the majority of the film is "the audience" being bored of how stale and repetitive horror films currently are. I absolutely agree with this. That said I firmly firmly disagree that Cabin in the Woods was ever supposed to be taken as a horror movie beyond a superficial capacity, and it is in fact a tragic comedy and it works on those merits. I mean yes you can argue that more than a few moments try to create suspense and terror on their own, as well as genuinely scary or disturbing imagery, but as a whole Cabin in the Woods is not trying to scare or be a horror classic in its own right--it's just a movie that uses the conventions of one to lament stale commercial horror via an entertaining ride. The fact that the movie is a tragic comedy is not well-hidden nor displayed late into the script. The very first scene establishes this by having an everyday working Joe conversation between two co-workers in an office facility with the tone firmly placed in the realm of conventional comedy, before we are immediately made to witness all the victim characters reveal personalities that contradict or defy the stereotypes they are later forced into. Thus it becomes tragic that both these funny, creative guys and these interesting victims are made to run through a dated simulation of horror when it is clear that all of them are capable of producing more-- and it's the tragic inability on the part of the victims to deny that capability that dooms the entire project and cause the "Gods" (Upper management) to shitcan the entire project. You'll notice that being scary has never once entered into the equation here. Now is the movie perfect? Oh my word no. The second act drags immensely and sadly doesn't have much to say, mostly existing as the kind of horror movie padding the writers should be condemning before we're allowed to get to the catharsis of seeing a horror story (what if a fuckton of monster archetypes were loosed upon a giant government-style facility all at once?) that we've never seen on film before. The characters also bounce pretty immediately from being realistic--for a horror movie, at least--into cartoon victims and we're not given nearly enough time to recognize or mourn the loss of them as people. The use of the zombie redneck torture family is clever enough, but we're also given to imagine that any of the other monsters we later see had an equal possibility of being utilized. The problem with that is that the audience, as savvy horror viewers, recognize after the fact that there really wasn't any chance of any other monster being used ("They have a 100% clear rate" = "They never fail to draw an audience") and the movie fails to properly comment on that reality. The third act itself is very fun to watch but is also mostly anarchy and the tension/release dynamic gets so thoroughly exploited on a moment-by-moment basis that the audience feels practically numb and unaffected by the time Sigourney Weaver shows up and tries to get Dana to kill Marty. So I get if it's not your cup of tea, but I do think you should try and watch it as a tragic comedy rather than a horror-comedy. I think you'll like it a lot more.
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Feb 10, 2014 10:36
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StumblyWumbly posted:The Boston accent is possibly the ugliest accent around. Most of us who've grown up around here have it in us like some incredible Hulk bullshit that comes out when we get drunk or angry. Carol does both a lot, it's perfect!
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Feb 10, 2014 11:18
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SlimGoodbody posted:Really? I thought Cabin in the Woods was pretty ubiquitously beloved. What did you dislike about it? Don't want to linger too long on Cabin in the Woods chat but the movie is pretty divisive, especially among horror fans.
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Feb 10, 2014 14:10
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WickedHate posted:It's funny to me to think of Batman and Superman as operating primarily in New Jersey and Kansas/Delaware. It just seems like weird places for two of the most iconic heroes ever to hail from. I'm pretty sure Metropolis/Gotham are only in those places because they're both really supposed to be NYC, but the DC Universe actually uses the real NYC for stories sometimes (pretty sure that pre-reboot the JSA and Power Girl lived there), so Metropolis and Gotham just get shoved over to nearby states to make sure that they can still be close to where they're "supposed" to be.
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Feb 10, 2014 19:08
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TwoPair posted:I'm pretty sure Metropolis/Gotham are only in those places because they're both really supposed to be NYC, but the DC Universe actually uses the real NYC for stories sometimes (pretty sure that pre-reboot the JSA and Power Girl lived there), so Metropolis and Gotham just get shoved over to nearby states to make sure that they can still be close to where they're "supposed" to be. My favorite interpretation (I don't remember where it's from) has them on opposite sides of the Chesapeake. Of course, Superman being anywhere NEAR Gotham makes no sense, as he would be constantly noticing things with his super hearing/vision, zipping in and solving all of Batman's little problems before Batman could react, but hey! Still a fun way to imagine them. Unrelated, I love the name "Metropolis", because I like to imagine it was named that back when it was a small town in like 1750. The idea of "Metropolis" being 12 shacks and a livery is pretty awesome. edit: Given the huge number of extra major cities in the DCU, their voting record must lean WAAAAAYYYYY more liberal than real life. Also the I95 corridor must have the worst traffic imaginable.
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theflyingorc posted:
Lex Luthor was president.
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Feb 10, 2014 20:14
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Lex Luthor would run as a democrat, either because he'd need to to win, or because he fancies himself humanity's savior not beholden to big business.
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Feb 10, 2014 20:27
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greatn posted:Lex Luthor would run as a democrat, either because he'd need to to win, or because he fancies himself humanity's savior not beholden to big business. Looking it up it seemed that his first action as president was to take a proposed moratorium on fossil-based fuels to the U.S. Congress. Well his second. His first was to blow the gently caress up the mother of his child. I assume his platform was also anti-Superman.
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Feb 10, 2014 20:29
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I'm guessing if anything his campaign was pro superman, only anti superman in a subversive way.
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Feb 10, 2014 20:33
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bobkatt013 posted:Looking it up it seemed that his first action as president was to take a proposed moratorium on fossil-based fuels to the U.S. Congress. Well his second. His first was to blow the gently caress up the mother of his child. I assume his platform was also anti-Superman. It wasn't anti-Superman, but merely pro-human! He's a hurricane in the shape of a man! We only have HIS word he'll behave! Can we trust him???
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Feb 10, 2014 20:39
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Yannick_B posted:It wasn't anti-Superman, but merely pro-human! He's a hurricane in the shape of a man! We only have HIS word he'll behave! Can we trust him??? Wasn't the only paper that badmouthed him was The Daily Planet, and to gently caress with Clark he got his best friend to run as his VP? bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Feb 10, 2014 |
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Feb 10, 2014 20:41
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Vote Luthor to keep out illegal aliens
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Feb 10, 2014 20:42
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bobkatt013 posted:Wasn't it also the only paper that badmouthed him was The Daily Planet, and to gently caress with Clark he got his best friend to run as his VP? Pete Ross is a hardworking american. He knows what the midwest is. Only he can represent it in the white house.
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Luthor almost definitely runs as a Republican with progressive social platforms, major business backing, and calculatedly aggressive foreign policy that discreetly pours money into LexCorp defense contracts. Pertinent because Clark Kent, especially as written by Grant Morrison, is becoming an increasingly hard leftist. Political Luthor is probably the most polished picture ever of How Capitalism Can Work For You. Wins over voters on both sides of the aisle for expressly this reason. I posted this on Facebook much less coherently, but honestly this idea more than anything is what gives me faith in the Jesse Eisenberg casting. The picture of success in America, in current popular culture, is the well-dressed creative progressive--an essentially neoliberal figure. Pitting the tried-and-true man of today against the ideological man of tomorrow makes for incredible story nuances.
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Feb 10, 2014 21:16
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Swillkitsch posted:I posted this on Facebook much less coherently, but honestly this idea more than anything is what gives me faith in the Jesse Eisenberg casting. The picture of success in America, in current popular culture, is the well-dressed creative progressive--an essentially neoliberal figure. Pitting the tried-and-true man of today against the ideological man of tomorrow makes for incredible story nuances. That's true, but without wanting to get into a big MOS kerfuffle, as great as those notions are for a movie Lex, the Superman he'll be up against is going to be lacking in that department (to me, anyways)...
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Feb 10, 2014 21:34
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Guardians of the Galaxy trailer is rated, should be coming any day now.
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Yannick_B posted:That's true, but without wanting to get into a big MOS kerfuffle, as great as those notions are for a movie Lex, the Superman he'll be up against is going to be lacking in that department (to me, anyways)... I'm a ride-or-die Superman fan and I liked Man of Steel a lot! This would be a disclaimer, but I ain't ashamed. Just saying I'm not interested in that same kerfuffle either. What I am interested in is baseless speculation! I don't think there needs to be an actual verbal debate about their differences in the sequel. In the first movie there is basically no way to read that Superman as establishment. He talks specifically about wanting to help, and he says he's American, but dude blasts a drone to hell and in the novelisation he explicitly says that Superman isn't beholden to a singular nation. Superman defers to morality but not necessarily human legal convention. On top of that, as Clark Kent he works gray- and blue-collar jobs, and the extent to which he even pursued a college education is debatable--the implication is that he was off the grid for long periods. I think it'd be both good and easy to make Luthor essentially establishment by way of contrast and other cues, to an extent that even someone as typically indiscreet as Snyder can do it. They'll probably push the visual mismatch too: general size differences aside, if they keep Eisenberg lean in a suit, then he's immediately class-identifiable; Clark, on the other hand, seems to borrow class visual markers as they convenience him. Most commonly in the film he identifies with the working man, but in his most realized form, as Superman, he supersedes the issue in its entirety. Eisenberg doesn't have to look thuggish like Gene Hackman or Mark Strong. Instead he looks like a recognizable part of our cultural vernacular in a way that a man in tights and a cape wouldn't. And so they don't necessarily have to play up Clark's budding leftism so much as they would have to play up the fact that he is literally above the mechanisms that empower Luthor in the first place. I think it's doable! But then I might be the only person looking at the sheer insanity surrounding this movie, executive and otherwise, and going YES FINE I'LL TAKE IT.
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TwoPair posted:I'm pretty sure Metropolis/Gotham are only in those places because they're both really supposed to be NYC, but the DC Universe actually uses the real NYC for stories sometimes (pretty sure that pre-reboot the JSA and Power Girl lived there), so Metropolis and Gotham just get shoved over to nearby states to make sure that they can still be close to where they're "supposed" to be. Most memorably the Perez/Wolfman Titans set up shop in NYC all the way back in the 80s, so it's not like the DC NYC is a fairly recent development either.
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Lurdiak posted:That may or may not have been a false memory implanted by the Red Skull. Last I checked he was a social worker. Winter Soldier movie Falcon spoiler? I seem to recall reading that he'll meet Cap in WS, through his employment at the Veterans Affairs office or something. So it looks like he'll still have some type of counselor type job in the movie too, where he works with former soldiers. Which should be a nice tie in with Cap.
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Reading the first 5 words of your posts and seeing it was a link got me so excited. Why'd you have to go break my heart like that?  Any news on the Y: The Last Man movie/TV show? That series is practically made to be adapted.
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God I hope not. Y the Last Man was utter pandering horseshit and would rightly be laughed out of any pitch room that contained an actual living breathing woman.
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I wouldn't go that far Oracle, but yeah I don't think Y: The Last Man is ever going to gain actual traction in the entertainment world for a whole litany of sexist reasons (on the part of both genders). Plus, y'know, if they ever actually tried to explain why all the men died it'd be seen as ridiculous as LOST (complete with legions of sunk-cost fallacy fans going "It's not that bad!").
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bowser posted:Reading the first 5 words of your posts and seeing it was a link got me so excited. Why'd you have to go break my heart like that? To actually answer your question DJ Caruso was really the only one trying to make it happen but specifically wanted a big budget and Shia Labeouf and Hollywood said no to both so it'll forever be stuck in development hell.
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After going through LOST, I agree - the mystery of why Yorrick is alive and all other men died would be beaten to death as a marketing hook to point where people would lose their poo poo if the explanation was left open to interpretation as in the book.bowser posted:Any news on the Y: The Last Man movie/TV show? That series is practically made to be adapted. A few weeks ago, Vaughn said the rights were going to be reverting back to him and Pia unless something happens soon. So, sort of?
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Waterhaul posted:To actually answer your question DJ Caruso was really the only one trying to make it happen but specifically wanted a big budget and Shia Labeouf and Hollywood said no to both so it'll forever be stuck in development hell. Honestly, with the Beef's recent meltdown over the Dan Clowes thing, I'd say a bullet got dodged.
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Gaz-L posted:Honestly, with the Beef's recent meltdown over the Dan Clowes thing, I'd say a bullet got dodged. I really don't see Y getting made in any form anytime soon. edit: What the hell, Beef?: 
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DangerKat posted:After going through LOST, I agree - the mystery of why Yorrick is alive and all other men died would be beaten to death as a marketing hook to point where people would lose their poo poo if the explanation was left open to interpretation as in the book. Also, what was so awful about it's gender stuff? I don't remember it being amazing, but I didn't see a lot I found downright insulting.
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mind the walrus posted:I wouldn't go that far Oracle, but yeah I don't think Y: The Last Man is ever going to gain actual traction in the entertainment world for a whole litany of sexist reasons (on the part of both genders). Plus, y'know, if they ever actually tried to explain why all the men died it'd be seen as ridiculous as LOST (complete with legions of sunk-cost fallacy fans going "It's not that bad!"). To be honest, that sort of bullshit is of a similar level to we're all already zombies only we have to die first. Have we made the metaphor big enough, do you think? THen again, the dumb poo poo about Y wasn't really in the cause of the death of every man, more... the everything else part of it. Sion fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Feb 11, 2014 |
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theflyingorc posted:I could have sworn that they make it pretty clear that it was some sort of biological attack (possibly unintentional), and the only reason Yorick survived was his contact with Ampersand's feces?
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Feb 11, 2014 16:51
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The Amulet of Helene explanation was way better and less dumber than whatever the pseudo science explanation was.
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redbackground posted:Right--Shia is pretty toxic these days. As someone who doesn't follow any celebrity anything.  ?
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Error 404 posted:As someone who doesn't follow any celebrity anything. He explained it perfectly in the press interview for the film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWTfRH5cA8Y
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DangerKat posted:A few weeks ago, Vaughn said the rights were going to be reverting back to him and Pia unless something happens soon. This just in Roger Corman to helm Y: The Last Man film production to begin and end next week.
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Error 404 posted:As someone who doesn't follow any celebrity anything. Real answer: Shia made a short film that was word for word ripped off from a Dan Clowes comic. Even to the point of pretty clearly using the comic as storyboard for a number of shots. When he got called out for plagiarism, he at first acted like the issue was not crediting Clowes, then when people pointed out that not even asking the original creator first, let alone not crediting is lovely, he threw out a bunch of passive-aggressive 'I'm sorry you were offended' type responses, some publicity stunts, then threw a tantrum on Twitter and declared he was retired from public life. And somewhere in there he tried to pretend he's James Franco and called the whole thing 'performance art'.
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