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Help with Worldbuilding steampunk Scotland? posted:OK, in the 1840s it's still pretty much like the real Victorian era, but by the 1860s there's airships and a few robots...somewhere, with air filtering masks and home systems for people with asthma, and medicine has changed somehow after the doctor who discovered in the 1850s boiling his drinking water made it healthier. I subconsciously read that as Doctor Who and not The Doctor who had done something. Does this guy really think that boiling water to disinfect it could only be discovered in the 1800s? A simple google search and common sense tells me that ancient civilizations knew that boiling water until it was clear made it safer to drink. Clear water healthy, swampy water sick. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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Ninjasaurus posted:Apparently there used to be examples but they've been removed, thank christ. Sometimes "removed" content really just means "shifted to the Discussion tab". For example, see the porn fanfics trope.
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Ninjasaurus posted:For my first post, I was going to pick some low-hanging fruit: Would Hit a Girl. However, there's an enormous number of stomach-churning examples that leave no category unfilled (including Real Life, ugh) and trying to find the worst of them (or in Troper Speak, "most egregious") is a fool's errand. 
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Sorry the impoverished migrant workers aren't running fast enough for you. Since they brought it up, the "land turtle" chapter is very short compared to the other chapters - it's only two pages long in my copy. It's also a very powerful image that represents the migrants' situation very concisely. But apparently it's badly paced because, come on, that's just filler when the real plot is finally getting to California so we can see the showdown with the Big Bad. The best thing about the turtle chapter in The Grapes of Wrath is that it's essentially the entire book distilled into a two-page Voight-Kampff test.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Sometimes "removed" content really just means "shifted to the Discussion tab". For example, see the porn fanfics trope. I'm assuming they moved it because of Google but couldn't bare to part with all the smut. I know this has been mentioned a thousand times before but what kind of cognitive dissonance do you have to suffer from to not see that there's a fundamental contradiction between "Family Friendly" and "here's countless pages of sex-related poo poo that aren't even actual tropes" (that Lemon page you linked to is but one example). Hell, check out the Kink Meme list (or don't, no one will blame you): A Family Friendly Website posted:Tropes commonly found in kink memes include: From what I can tell, none of these are tropes used in anything other than fan fiction. Of course, that's the category the page says these come from and okay, it's expecting too much of tropers for them to ever give up their  fics but none of this excrement is  Family Friendly.If tvtropes was ever serious about cleaning up their cesspool, deleting everything on that list would be a good place to start. It's totally useless to anyone who doesn't read wank fic. Sham bam bamina! posted:I could have sworn that they'd cut that one during the last thread. Guess not! Clearly it was far too notable.
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"black comedy rape"
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"questionable consent"The very first line of the article posted:The line between acceptable and unacceptable is often drawn at consent. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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crowfeathers posted:"black comedy rape" It's almost as if they think quoting George Carlin somehow validates that page's existence. And there's No Real Life Examples, Please! because we all know that category would otherwise be overflowing with  .Meanwhile, in the Discussion tab, a troper wants to know why Rape as Comedy was renamed Black Comedy Rape. A moderator posted:All of the rape tropes whose names could be mistaken for condoning it, such as "Rape is Love", were renamed as part of an emergency clean-up in response to Google pulling Ad Sense. It was felt that Black Comedy Rape made it more clear that the wiki was not condoning rape. A better response would have been to DELETE THE loving PAGE. Finally, No such thing as notability posted:Whether you consider black comedy rape as completely tasteless or not, the trope exists and so therefore should be present on this website.
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Ninjasaurus posted:It's almost as if they think quoting George Carlin somehow validates that page's existence.
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AW WHAT IS THIS poo pooSkinship Grope posted:
You can tell the perv authors desperately wish they could do this in real life. "Hey, molestation is funny and sexy!" The page image is troper wank material and I'm sure you can guess which category has the most examples by far. But wait, there's apparently Truth In Television: quote:Japanese schoolgirls, at least, really do seem to do this to one another on occasion. They also tend to glomp each other in more generally suggestive ways in public; they even call it sukinshippu ("skinship").  , with a healthy dose of  for good measure.Oh, and it's impossible to find a sex-related page on tvtropes in which the word rape doesn't appear at least once. The Leper Colon V posted:Very fitting post/avatar combination. Thank you. It's also a pretty accurate reflection of my soul.
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I know it's like trying to lead people out of Plato's cave but has anyone told tropers that anime isn't real?
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Soulcleaver posted:I know it's like trying to lead people out of Plato's cave but has anyone told tropers that anime isn't real? It would be easier to get Libertarians to embrace single payer healthcare.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:"questionable consent" Often?  What are the other options?Ninjasaurus posted:
Hold on! We may be dealing with an cultural antropologist. She's (I'm making the reasonable assumption that the writer is a she) probably done loads of research on this.  Soulcleaver posted:I know it's like trying to lead people out of Plato's cave but has anyone told tropers that anime isn't real?  Spoiler that poo poo, you don't want to scar innocent souls.
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Razorwired posted:It would be easier to get Libertarians to embrace single payer healthcare. Well, all you need to do to get Libertarians to embrace single payer healthcare is wait for them to get sick. Not sure what the anime equivalent would be, though.
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Would it be touching the poop to try and tell Google "Hey, this website didn't adhere to your requests, pull your ads"?
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Feb 12, 2014 10:40
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Lemon discussion posted:Roughly 90% of That Guy with the Glasses fic is this, but then again, if you look at how long the site's fetish fuel pages are, that's not surprising. They were practically encouraging it.
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Cornwind Evil posted:Would it be touching the poop to try and tell Google "Hey, this website didn't adhere to your requests, pull your ads"? Yes. And I'm not sure I want to imagine how horrible the backup ad system they'd use would be if Google decided to stand firm on such a pulling of ads.
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Shwoo posted:"This" being pornographic fanfiction. Why is there pornographic fanfiction for that. Why is there even fanfiction for that.
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Feb 12, 2014 13:35
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Because, they're practically encouraging it by being so attractive, obviously. I can't get over how rapey that sounds.
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TVTropes is an overly puritanical website that does not allow us to list all the good times where rape is played broadly, for laughs. I think they should change the trope name back, to more accurately allow the most important project of listing examples.
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quote:Roughly 90% of That Guy with the Glasses fic is this, but then again, if you look at how long the site's fetish fuel pages are, that's not surprising. They were practically encouraging it. Okay, walk me through this one. TVTropes has very long "fetish fuel"  pages for TGWTG. Which means tropers were posting this. So then if you look at all the festish fuel that TVTropes has cataloged it's obvious that the fanfiction would be porn.How is this TGWTG's fault? Jesus. They're literally saying they were asking for it.
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Leofish posted:Okay, walk me through this one. TVTropes has very long "fetish fuel" Relevant: don't touch the poop, but you can watch a weird brony melt down about this in the zombified TGWTG forums no one should ever post in right now! The tl;dr version is: 1) The OP, a brony and TV troper, gets real butthurt about me haranguing bronies and tropers on my twitter feed, and starts a thread trying to get me fired for expressing the opinion that those communities are toxic cesspools. 2) He doesn't link to specific tweets because none of them are anything remotely worth getting upset over. But his beef, initially, is with my hysterical laughter at the "Ask Princess Molestia" blog getting shut down through C&D from Hasbro and the cries of "censorship!" it elicited from creepy bronies. (So...they have no idea what censorship means.) He goes out of his way to say HE didn't like that blog or anything! But the "dirty rotten SJW PinkiePony" who bitched about it to Hasbro (also a woman, who has gotten *heaps* of abuse over saying the MLP community is toxic,) is to blame more than Hasbro, so that's censorship! <  >3) When called on his bullshit by others in the thread, he clarifies that it would be okay if I basically said "BUT THEY'RE NOT *ALL* LIKE THAT" after every goddamn tweet because, well, *he's* not a creepy misogynist brony! (Notably. Guy video producers like Spoony or Cinema Snob do not get the same vitriol for making similar comments. "That's just their persona!" But I'm supposed to be their waifu, so, nope, I can't talk poo poo about bronies. They don't want their waifu even remotely implying that they might be a creepy brony.)4) He goes on to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he *is* one of those creeps I was talking about when he moves from MLP to TV tropes: A) "If she didn't want a TV Tropes page cataloguing every time she wore a bikini or costume on camera, she shouldn't have worn those things on camera." That was *never* my problem with TV Tropes. Mention that I wore revealing clothing in my videos sometimes all you want, weirdos, my beef was with aspects of my personal life being catalogued as tropes. A shocking number of details about my personal life. B) "She didn't have to mock us and get upset, she should have just talked to one of the mods and gotten it locked. Which she did, so why did she have to throw a ~girly fit~ first?" As you all in this thread know, the pages were locked because I told people on twitter to edit them with blurbs of nonsense and gently caress with them as much as possible, eliciting total anarchy that they were forced to lock. I never negotiated with a mod to get them locked, because it wouldn't have done anything. 5) More respondents in the thread pick up on this and go "Hey, that sure sounds like victim-blaming, telling her that she deserves creepy comments and objectification because she wore a bikini once or appeared faux-naked in a video." (Both were played 100% for laughs and not "sex appeal." They are completely ridiculous skits.)  6) OP melts down in a double post of fake apology because "oh no you guys think i am a misogynist too!!!"   Bonus content: At one point, one of the few guys trying to agree with the OP points to a series of tweets I made "insulting" Legend of Korra. (Once again, totally benign statements about how the network was dumping the back half of the show, probably due to ratings.) Brony-Troper-OP basically goes "What? I don't care about that, her opinions there are reasonable. But when she talks about MY LITTLE PONY..." The great Brony-Troper-TGWTG trifecta! 
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Jay O posted:The great Brony-Troper-TGWTG trifecta!  quote:I saved a few pics on flickr of her bad mouthing bronies on twitter, from last year even, just for keeps. You'd better watch out! This dude has photo evidence from a year ago! For keeps. When the inevitable class action lawsuit Bronies v. JesuOtaku comes down, Solid Mike will have the evidence. As far as all this pornfiction goes, do they not get that these are real people? No, that was a dumb question. Of course they don't.
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Leofish posted:As far as all this pornfiction goes, do they not get that these are real people? Of course they do. That's why it's called Real Person Fic. quote:There is some level of controversy surrounding this genre. For some people, the mere existence of Real Person Fics — especially lemon fics — is a case of squick, while others don't see them as wrong as long as the tone is kept respectful. Then there are those for whom anything goes because it's unlikely the "protagonist" will ever read the fic anyway and will do everything from Character Derailment to Gender Bending to unceremoniously killing them off. (That last can sometimes be legally dangerous, though.) Some people think it's creepy, but other people don't, and the actual subjects of this porn will never read it anyway, so it's fine. I'm not going to build a quote wall, because a big list of "sexy fanfic has been written about this person" is boring, but nearly every example listed is about slash. One example on the list is relevant to this discussion: quote:There is a disturbing amount of That Guy with the Glasses fanfiction.
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"No, I wasn't writing porn about Noah, I was writing porn about his character, Noah-with-a-slightly-louder-voice."
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Movac posted:Some people think it's creepy, but other people don't, and the actual subjects of this porn will never read it anyway, so it's fine. But if they do discover it and make jokes about it, it's considered "encouraging".
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Lottery of Babylon posted:"No, I wasn't writing porn about Noah, I was writing porn about his character, Noah-with-a-slightly-louder-voice." Isn't Noah's "character" just himself?
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kaleidolia posted:But if they do discover it and make jokes about it, it's considered "encouraging". I think you meant bullying. And it's totally unfair because those people are asking for it by playing a role in media. I am uncertain if my faint heart can take following the link Jayo posted, especially after reading the tldr. How can people be so blind?
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Darth TNT posted:I think you meant bullying. And it's totally unfair because those people are asking for it by playing a role in media. The most baffling kind of real person fanfic is when an actor has sex with the character they portray
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crowfeathers posted:The most baffling kind of real person fanfic is when an actor has sex with the character they portray  Do..do I...does that really exist? You're messing with my head right? oh god why did I check the tvtropes page. posted:Also common in this genre is for the celebrity to meet the fictional characters that he or she is famous for playing as. They might either coexist in the same universe (this is a flimsy premise at best) or there's some sort of alternate universe with travel between them.
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crowfeathers posted:Isn't Noah's "character" just himself? "But you see, Noah doesn't actually have fights with all the characters from the Final Fantasy franchise, and Hope isn't actually possessed by Radical Edward, so you're the ones who are confusing fiction with reality!  "Jay O posted:Relevant: don't touch the poop, but you can watch a weird brony melt down about this in the zombified TGWTG forums no one should ever post in right now! I love that the guy talks about you surrounding yourself in an back-patting echo chamber, when he later admits that all he wants is to feel accepted. Poor dude's projecting all over the place.
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Jay O posted:the "Ask Princess Molestia" blog getting shut down through C&D from Hasbro This makes me so happy. bucketmouse fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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Movac posted:Of course they do. That's why it's called Real Person Fic. These people know the internet exists right? I have it on good authority that there's a staggering amount of really hot gay porn out there. I still don't really get why internet communities seem to fetishise gay relationships so much.
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crowfeathers posted:Isn't Noah's "character" just himself?  TvTropes can't even use their standard "it's a thing that happened, therefore we must trope it" when it comes to TGWTG fanfics, since their Fanfic Recommendations page for TGWTG is very long, and consists primarily of links to slash porn stories about the internet reviewers becoming prostitutes. quote:Hookerverse by emeriin (with guest authors; dark!fic, prostitution, swearing, drugs, alcohol; link goes to masterlist) Stop it emeriin just stop
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Little Blackfly posted:I still don't really get why internet communities seem to fetishise gay relationships so much. 1+1=2, I guess. I mean, look at what male nerds are like with lesbians. There's also the Japanophile side of the Internet nerd community which is evidently very relevant to this, given how so many of these characters are shoehorned into rigid seme/uke roles (the rapey, aggressive 'man' and the weepy, submissive 'woman', if you don't speak weeaboo). In Japan, yaoi/boys-love is a hyper-stylised depiction of gay male love aimed squarely at teenage girls, allowing them to experience romance at a safe remove because whoa lordy, Japan's sexual politics are screwed up. Since we're talking about tropers, they of course view the world through  THEIR ANIMES, and if they also happen to be teenage girls, then... well, you see where I'm going here.
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TGWTG forum guy posted:If I unfollow her, she'll just continue to think that it's okay to do this sort of thing. It ultimately solves nothing, as she'll continue to be abrasive and inconsiderate. Whereas if I continue to follow her and harangue her every time she says something I think is mean, she will immediately recognize the error of her ways, and like Saul at Damascus, repent and go forth to fill the world with Love and Tolerance!
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I'm sure I don't need to tell you this, but appparently My Little Pony is a terrifying rollercoaster of nightmares.Nightmare Fuel: My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic posted:The Ursa Major that was seen at the end of Boast Busters. The way it's a grotesque mix of at least two creatures that are terrifying on their own is petrifying. For reference, this is the Ursa Major. There are like a ton of examples. Like, a ton. But I'm sure you could've guessed that. You know what else is scary? Rainbow Brite. "Nightmare Fuel: Rainbow Brite posted:The Dark Princess and the lengths she'll go to to get what she wants can be pretty scary. When the source of her power is finally destroyed, she tries to ram into Spectra with her spaceship, in the hopes of destroying it and any hope of the universe's recovery.
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Hammurabi posted:I'm sure I don't need to tell you this, but appparently My Little Pony is a terrifying rollercoaster of nightmares. I mentioned many pages back that, thanks to TV Tropes I now know that John de Lancie's character from MLP is BRUTAL Complete Monster and BRUTAL Mind Rapist who BRUTALLY turned the show Darker and Edgier, thus BRUTALLY proving once and for all that only bronies can really appreciate how BRUTAL the whole thing is. What Do You Mean, It's Not/For Kids? BRUTALLY. (I am almost certain John de Lancie was playing a character very much like Q in the cartoon)
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