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I don't know to what degree Kirkman has "final cut", would he really be able to tell the rest of the showrunners to kill someone off and they'd have to capitulate?
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Of course not.
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Feb 14, 2014 20:10
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Daryl will forever be Kirkman's Boba Fett.
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Feb 14, 2014 20:22
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I'm ok with everyone on the show being unkillable if they still have worthwhile stories to tell, which is why killing Milton was so stupid.
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Feb 14, 2014 20:39
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It's funny how the only reason why some characters aren't safe is because of the show's lazy/bad writing and not because of any events that the characters actually go through on the show. Character needs to survive no matter what? Two dozen running headshots with a pistol, zombies that are suddenly as weak as small children, and an ability to survive on magical supplies for as long as necessary. Character needs to die? Teleporting zombie, random pops-out-of-door zombie, character forgets how to kill a single zombie despite having a weapon in their hand, character suddenly gets overpowered by a zombie, character decides to stand still and get bit instead of running, etc. People poke fun at GoT for having "random" deaths just for the sake of being shocking, but at least the major deaths there are a direct or indirect result of said character's actions. It's why scenes with characters in trouble are still tense and exciting to watch, even if the characters in them have obvious plot armor. Compare that to TWD where scenes usually have zero tension and you know no one important's going to die because the episode isn't a season opener/mid-season finale/season finale and the previews didn't outright say "SOMEONE WILL DIE! GUESS WHO?!?!"
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Feb 14, 2014 21:40
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Then, stay tuned for The Talking Dead where we'll be talking with <dead character's actor>!
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Feb 14, 2014 22:20
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Kirkman just did a Nerdist podcast, and at least from what he's saying he's just another writer in the room, and Scott Gimple ultimately has the final say with the show. Take that for what you will. He did talk about the Daryl thing, but didn't come off anywhere near as douchey as that interview posted above. I think he knows that it would be a mistake to kill off Daryl out of spite.
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Feb 15, 2014 03:08
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I'm sure Gimple has to be a yes man to Kirkman, lest he lose his job too.
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Feb 15, 2014 03:11
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I don't know about that, they could have made Kirkman showrunner if they really wanted that already.
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Feb 15, 2014 03:12
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I just don't believe that at bare minimum Kirkman wasn't partly responsible for Darabont going. Darabont clearly had his own vision that didn't and doesn't match Kirkman's "follow the comics as closely as possible" mess.
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Feb 15, 2014 03:16
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Still pretty ready for Daryl to die, but could want a reprieve after his time with Beth too early to tell. E: If they'd kept Milton alive they could have gut punched at the midseason with Milton, Daryl, and Herschel dying and it would have been pretty good and hurtful. Mexcillent fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Feb 15, 2014 |
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Feb 15, 2014 03:31
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Jokes aside there actually is a section of viewers who would stop watching if Daryl dies.
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Feb 15, 2014 03:37
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Perfidus posted:I just don't believe that at bare minimum Kirkman wasn't partly responsible for Darabont going. Darabont clearly had his own vision that didn't and doesn't match Kirkman's "follow the comics as closely as possible" mess. Watch Mob City and it kind of makes sense that he was fired.
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Feb 15, 2014 03:43
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Perfidus posted:Jokes aside there actually is a section of viewers who would stop watching if Daryl dies. A fairly large one, at that. Hell, unless the death is well earned it might be enough to make me stop giving a gently caress. Basically as long as Rick gets to live there is no excuse for killing off people like Milton or Herschel. gently caress Rick. Corrrrrllllll
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Feb 15, 2014 03:44
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Perfidus posted:Jokes aside there actually is a section of viewers who would stop watching if Daryl dies. Yup I would. Daryl is a drat good man and one of the few characters I actually like. He should be the lead of Walking Dead, gently caress Rick!
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Feb 15, 2014 03:50
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I still like Rick personally. But if he and Daryl went, yeah I'd probably go. I considered it when they killed off Hershel, even though I saw it coming a million miles away. Basically in a show if the number of people I dislike or don't care about outnumbers the number of people I do like, I stop watching. I think that's reasonable.
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Feb 15, 2014 04:17
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Rick is kind of sad now because he already had his plot arc. He was the big cowboy/reluctant leader in the first two seasons and then that climaxed with him being a pseudo-tyrant/Governor foil in Season 3 and then in Season 4 he just gave that up and became sort of a Cincinnatus figure, a dude who just wants to grow poo poo in peace. Now he's just sort of broken.
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Yahoo is still garbage, but this article has some great side-by-side images that drive home how good casting has gotten.
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computer parts posted:Rick is kind of sad now because he already had his plot arc. He was the big cowboy/reluctant leader in the first two seasons and then that climaxed with him being a pseudo-tyrant/Governor foil in Season 3 and then in Season 4 he just gave that up and became sort of a Cincinnatus figure, a dude who just wants to grow poo poo in peace. Gives us a good chance in a season or two to see him come to grips with the fact that he's meant to lead, not play farmville in the nearest walled bit of land. That's just me living in hope though, I hate to bring the comics up, but I hope he can get marginally as awesome as the Rick from there. fakeedit: I too would probably (definitely) stop watching if they killed off Daryl.
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Perfidus posted:I still like Rick personally. But if he and Daryl went, yeah I'd probably go. I considered it when they killed off Hershel, even though I saw it coming a million miles away. Yeah it definitely is. As much as I love zombies, without the characters like Michonne, Hershel, Daryl etc the show will get boring as you'll stop caring for any of the humans, and the majority of Walking Dead episodes is about how the humans cope and socialise in an apocalypse. The Walking Dead has been particularly good at creating morally ambiguous scenarios which make the characters and show interesting, however. like Carol burning the sick to try in an attempt to stop it from spreading. Even though its 'murder' I still think Carol made the right call.
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I don't think Daryl can realistically be killed in TWD universe. He blew up a tank by himself. Daryl's arc was that of someone pretty much perfectly suited to the apocalypse learning how to be part of a family. The others are not really so good at either. He might go out sacrificing himself to save the others but then the writers lose a character who is always good for a bit of rad zombie carnage. Wasn't there an infograph of zombie kills per person floating around? It would be good to see an updated version. Tyreese is probably good for 20-30 after he went loving bezerk with that hammer.
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Yeah Daryl's definitely going to eventually die (if he ever does) with like a grenade in hand or something, and it'll be to save literally every other character still on the show. There's no way he's getting anything short of a Randy Quaid Independence Day sacrifice death. Or he'll get in a fight with a showrunner in two seasons and be killed by a zombie jumping out from behind a door that he just checked.
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Wubthecook posted:The Walking Dead has been particularly good at creating morally ambiguous scenarios which make the characters and show interesting What is this, opposite day? You can't be serious. This show is so consistently bad that I only watch it so I can complain about it. The writers have had every opportunity to do thoughtful exploratory things, and instead opt every time for lol guns and zombies.
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I wonder how the walking dead series is going to end. I'm imagining a flash forward to everyone dead but Carl, who walks into the darkening horizon to close out the show. I mean they could find a cure but that's not nearly bleak enough.
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Perfidus posted:Jokes aside there actually is a section of viewers who would stop watching if Daryl dies. I would not because I'd be angry, just because I think it would be boring without him. I don't want more time for the adventures of Carl. The most interesting characters to me around season 2 and 3 were Shane, Merle, Hershel, the Governor, and Daryl. I still think the show is lesser for Shane and Merle being gone. A LOT more could have been done with them. I would've loved to see Shane's reactions to the governor and Merle being back in the group.
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messagemode1 posted:I wonder how the walking dead series is going to end. I'm imagining a flash forward to everyone dead but Carl, who walks into the darkening horizon to close out the show. Basically any of the season finales thus far (minus the dumb stuff like "this is not a democracy" or the Governor just up and leaving) could be a template for the ending. Either they find a nice little place and settle down, or they get chased out of whatever place they were in to repeat the cycle, or they all die, or just some of them die and the others do situations 1 or 2. Any of those would work and be thematically appropriate.
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The show has posed interesting moral dilemmas, but immediately fumbled them so loving hard that it almost seems intentional. Hershel's triage You can't save everyone, how do you choose? (Answer: Whoever survives this SURPRISE ZOMBIE SHOTGUN RAMPAGE!) The fence-leg kid prisoner Does conventional morality apply in exceptional situations? (Answer: Psycho Shane "NOPE") and Sophia Is the life of one child worth endangering the groups? (A: EXPLODING ZOMBIE BARN!) I mean, there are legitimately interesting problems, but the TWD answer is always complete inaction until the problem needs bullets.
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moths posted:The show has posed interesting moral dilemmas, but immediately fumbled them so loving hard that it almost seems intentional. Hershel's triage You can't save everyone, how do you choose? (Answer: Whoever survives this SURPRISE ZOMBIE SHOTGUN RAMPAGE!) The fence-leg kid prisoner Does conventional morality apply in exceptional situations? (Answer: Psycho Shane "NOPE") and Sophia Is the life of one child worth endangering the groups? (A: EXPLODING ZOMBIE BARN!) This is really accurate and succinct, mind if I c/p it?
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Moral dilemma: how do we get this zombie out of this well, in the most dangerous manner possible.
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Glenn fell into the well, just like he is now trapped in his relationship as the danger closes in. Symbolic as all hell to me.
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No you see cause Glenn FORGOT hpw dangerous zombies are, that's why he let people tie a rope to him and slowly lower him towards a zombie's snapping jaws.
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Hesh Ballantine posted:What is this, opposite day? You can't be serious. Why do this to yourself instead of just watching shows you like?
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Hesh Ballantine posted:This is really accurate and succinct, mind if I c/p it? No problem, go for it.
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Surlaw posted:Why do this to yourself instead of just watching shows you like? It's fun. Twd is funny
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rawdog pozfail posted:Moral dilemma: how do we get this zombie out of this well, in the most dangerous manner possible. I still can't believe that episode
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Riptor posted:I still can't believe that episode Good thing they didn't do something stupid, like shoot it and air it.
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Andrew Verse posted:Good thing they didn't do something stupid, like shoot it and air it. Well they couldn't because a rotting ball of fat flesh zombie isn't a hazard to the water supply until you kill it again.
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Considering how popular this show is, what are the actual odds of it even ending in the next, say, five or ten years? We could be sitting around in 20 years talking about how Carl totally shouldn't have survived the boat trip to England and lamenting the death of 15-Dogg at the hands of Carol's zombie daughter. And I really can't even think of any way the show could actually end in a satisfying way. "It turns out there are a ton of humans alive in a walled off city"? "Everybody dies"?
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