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Ugly In The Morning posted:Successful software companies always seem to be run by a younger crowd. It makes sense, the field changes rapidly and someone who hasn't been in it long isn't going to be stuck with the whole "Well, things have always been like this" mentality. Japanese companies keep the same people in charge for ages, they get stuck in their ways, and then the end up 5-10 years behind everyone else because they don't see the value in a lot of new things until it's become an industry standard, and the industry standard that replaced it has, itself, been replaced. In conjunction with this, software is just as much marketing as it is programming. You need a perfect dual marriage of the studies to be an efficient software house, and both need to constantly update and be fresh and new. Nintendo is neither.
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Darko posted:In conjunction with this, software is just as much marketing as it is programming. You need a perfect dual marriage of the studies to be an efficient software house, and both need to constantly update and be fresh and new. Nintendo is neither. Even though it's marketing was god-awful, I actually love the WiiU as a piece of tech. The dual screen thing has some fantastic ramifications and having an always on hand map while playing Wind Waker really takes that game to the next level.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Successful software companies always seem to be run by a younger crowd.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:I do think it's worth stating that the vast majority of consumers have no idea what resolution even is, and HD is a buzzword that's been thrown around since the Sega Genesis days. Actually pretty much everyone understands what HD now. They may not know exactly how it works, but they understand that HDTVs are better, and oh gently caress this movie looks good on this TV, I got the blu-ray and look at that picture!! Not to mention, this is a videogame thread and pretty much everyone who plays/buys videogames understands at least the basics.
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Feb 17, 2014 16:32
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You guys are really underestimating the amount of people that buy a 1080p set and hook up their cable boxes with a composite cable.
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Feb 17, 2014 16:44
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RZA Encryption posted:You guys are really underestimating the amount of people that buy a 1080p set and hook up their cable boxes with a composite cable. Or my parents that watch the SD feed of channel, with a 4:3 picture stretched out to 16:9 and say "look how great this picture is on my 70 inch HDTV!" While that's kind of rare, I've seen that there are a lot of people that can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or when a games resolution is really below 720p and upscaled.
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Feb 17, 2014 16:59
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I bought a Wii U around the time it came out because I was in a Nintendo mood. I had just repurchased some older games for my GameCube that had been gone, I bought a 3DS and a lot of games with it, and I just wanted a Nintendo platform. I actually got more Wii games for it because I never used the original and I had fun with the "new" games that I didn't get for the Wii. It has a lot of potential, but Nintendo is pissing all over it right now with no new IP's coming out.
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Before ED and HD TV's were being marketed, it was mostly only PC nerds familiar with the concepts of resolution. There was a massive push by manufacturers and retailers in the 2000's to educate anyone who would listen about all the advantages of HD, full HD etc. Infact the higher resolution = always better was drilled so far into peoples minds that most are surprised when their old game consoles look bad on their new TV's. So what does this have to do Nintendo? Well in my opinion not much. As much as Sony would like it, I don't think resolution on handhelds is anywhere near as important to consumers as it is in home consoles.
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Feb 17, 2014 17:20
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People generally understand the concept of resolution, they just might not know how to do anything about it! I do a lot of tech support for old people, or people who are just completely computer-illiterate, and in my experience this is the case for resolution/graphics settings in particular, but also most of technology that people "don't understand". (see, plugging cables in that don't make it work, etc.) The issue is usually a slight misunderstanding of the details of how something is supposed to work, and a complete lack of knowledge on how to get it to function properly.
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Feb 17, 2014 17:24
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Well, the reviews coming out seem to suggest that DKC: TF is a pretty decent game but not amazing. Certainly not a system seller, in that case.  Onward to MK8!
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Feb 17, 2014 19:06
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waffle posted:Well, the reviews coming out seem to suggest that DKC: TF is a pretty decent game but not amazing. Certainly not a system seller, in that case. A well polished sequel from Nintendo that barely improves on its predecessor you say? Color me shocked. Really DK was never gonna be a system seller though, even if it got 10s across the board. I'm still gonna buy and enjoy it
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Feb 17, 2014 19:24
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Great platformer, completely solid, (but won't sell any systems). The latter part of that statement belongs nowhere near a game review. Also it's funny seeing complaints of stagnation from the second game in a series and then across the board 9's for every Assassin's Creed sequel from the same reviewer. Thankfully that's only a couple of reviews, most actually review the game, which looks to be fantastic, rather than saying "Good, but won't reverse Nintendo's fortunes, 5 of 10." The state of games journalism is almost as bad as the state of the WiiU.
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greatn posted:Also it's funny seeing complaints of stagnation from the second game in a series and then across the board 9's for every Assassin's Creed sequel from the same reviewer. See, except this doesn't apply despite everyone liking to try and pretend it does. Every single Assassin's Creed game added whole new mechanics, whole new weapons, whole new mission types, even the assassin creed 2 line of Brotherhood and Revelations. Most Nintendo games at most add one power up. Assassin's Creed is shat out yearly and tends to have more changes or additions than a Nintendo game that we get every 3-4.
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waffle posted:Well, the reviews coming out seem to suggest that DKC: TF is a pretty decent game but not amazing. Certainly not a system seller, in that case. Eurogamer, 7/10 posted:The likelihood, then, is that people who played DKC Returns will find Tropical Freeze a little uninspiring. It's a superior game - it looks nicer, it's easier to control on the GamePad than it was on the Wiimote, and there's slightly more to do - but like a lot of Nintendo's recent sequels, that doesn't feel like quite enough. quote:if the second player is using a Wiimote then he or she has to contend with more awkward controls - non-analogue directional movement, which is particularly dodgy underwater, and various waggles to perform basic actions.  Comment on Gamespot, 6/10 posted:Here is an easy way to check the credibility of video game sites and their reviewers. Simply check their reviews of Nintendo properties. If it's anything less than a glowing review take their views with a heaping pile of salt.
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Edmund Honda posted:Oh look it's what every Nintendo fan will say, it's all on the reviewer! "The best way to be sure you're avoiding bias is to ignore any source that isn't overwhelmingly slanted in one direction." Makes a ton of sense, really.
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Feb 17, 2014 19:51
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surc posted:(see, plugging cables in that don't make it work, etc.) Holy loving poo poo this. My big brother seemed to think that plugging a coaxial cable from the wall to the back of a set-top box and then a scart cable from the set top box to a tv is some kind of dark magic. I'm sure he would have been just fine if he had to connect a garden hose to, idk, a water filter and then another hose from the filter to a pool. But add electronics and his eyes just glaze over.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:"The best way to be sure you're avoiding bias is to ignore any source that isn't overwhelmingly slanted in one direction." Makes a ton of sense, really. Nintendo fans have a weird persecution complex that makes them think that clearly the only reason anyone doesn't 100% love and support nintendo as the holy grail of gaming, the best who can make no mistake, is bias. In reality, it's just that Nintendo games are really good but really stale. They change up about as much between games (at least for the 2D ones) as CoD changes between games.
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So much for all that staff leaving Retro not affecting their quality.
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Edmund Honda posted:Seems to be a pretty common complaint. Also: "You can play DKC Tropical Freeze on your TV or on the GamePad. If you use the TV, the GamePad screen switches off entirely." Great use of the Gamepad as usual! I much prefer this to the constant mirroring in NSMBWU. It suppose even removing aspects of the HUD and putting them on the game pad would be better, but I prefer not to have a mirror image of the screen in my peripheral vision.
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Motto posted:So much for all that staff leaving Retro not affecting their quality. Every review has said the game is superior to the first.
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Motto posted:So much for all that staff leaving Retro not affecting their quality. The quality is fine by all accounts. They just didn't add anything to the series which is a shame.
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KittyEmpress posted:In reality, it's just that Nintendo games are really good but really stale. They change up about as much between games (at least for the 2D ones) as CoD changes between games. Nintendo's been able to get away with it because they haven't been putting out games yearly like CoD, but it has been finally catching up to them. I don't know the general internet consensus about it, but everyone I know who plays the NSMB game for Wii has been pretty uninterested in the sequels, because it really looks like the same exact thing with different maps. The hardcore fans are really something else, though, the Gamespot 8.8 review for Twilight Princess comes to mind. Such rage over a positive review for a game they hadn't played yet being not positive enough.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:The hardcore fans are really something else, though, the Gamespot 8.8 review for Twilight Princess comes to mind. I know the gist of this but is there a good writeup about the fallout from this? Like, a collection of particularly noteworthy online comments and the like?
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Where did this whole concept of a needing a "system seller" game come from in the first place? I'm not necessarily defending the WiiU here, but the concept of spending hundreds of dollars for a console because of any one game seems pretty dumb.
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univbee posted:I know the gist of this but is there a good writeup about the fallout from this? Like, a collection of particularly noteworthy online comments and the like? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=44493618 Enjoy. e: Also this: http://www.giantbomb.com/images/1300-2022215 "Girthman" never fails to make me laugh when I see it. Crowbear fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Feb 17, 2014 |
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Nintendo's been able to get away with it because they haven't been putting out games yearly like CoD, but it has been finally catching up to them. I don't know the general internet consensus about it, but everyone I know who plays the NSMB game for Wii has been pretty uninterested in the sequels, because it really looks like the same exact thing with different maps. I think they actually got that guy fired or something. NSMBU actually did add a lot to the game in terms of new modes, such as the miiverse integration but mainly the challenge modes and coin rush challenges, which probably have more hours of game content than the actual campaign mode. For some reason it never gets mentioned but it's the best part of the game.
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greatn posted:I think they actually got that guy fired or something.
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greatn posted:I think they actually got that guy fired or something. Yeah challenge mode is pretty much Super Meat Boy with mario physics.
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Lumpy the Cook posted:Where did this whole concept of a needing a "system seller" game come from in the first place? I'm not necessarily defending the WiiU here, but the concept of spending hundreds of dollars for a console because of any one game seems pretty dumb. Having something that really grabs attention for the console always helps drive sales. I basically made my mind up that I was getting a PS4 when I saw the first gameplay footage for Infamous: Second Son. Would I buy a PS4 only for that game? No. Was it the tipping point for me? Absolutely. Having a big game like the original Halo, or Infamous, or Goldeneye back in the day can do a lot to push someone from "on the fence" to "buying it", but if you don't offer enough to get them on the fence in the first place it won't make a difference. greatn posted:
Wow, I hadn't heard about that at all. Ahhh, nintendo, your marketing department is the best.
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greatn posted:I think they actually got that guy fired or something. Jeff was fired for giving a mediocre review to a mediocre game, when they paid for a great one.
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An actual opinion somebody believes because of Gamespots review of DKCTF:Imbecile posted:The same thing happened with Sonic Lost World and a few other games. Gaming is dead, son. I think the general dissatisfaction with what Nintendo has to offer has made some fans incredibly defensive and are hoping that games and Wii U just magically take off the way 3DS did, still. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Feb 17, 2014 |
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KittyEmpress posted:See, except this doesn't apply despite everyone liking to try and pretend it does. Every single Assassin's Creed game added whole new mechanics, whole new weapons, whole new mission types, even the assassin creed 2 line of Brotherhood and Revelations. This pretty much nailed it. Assassin's creed is actually a good example of what Nintendo's not doing right to fight stagnation. AC2 (which is generally regarded as the first one to really get the full "base" assasin's creed gameplay down) came out in 2009. The first Assassin's Creed came out in 2007, and the most recent, with huge amounts of gameplay nowhere to be found or even hinted at in the first one, came out in 2013. Donkey Kong Country came out in 1994. DKC:R changed up the gameplay somewhat, but not a lot, 16 years later in 2010. 16 years from the original gameplay to somewhat changed. 4 years later the gameplay has not changed from DKC:R to DKC:TF (apparently), so make that 20 years with slight updates. Assassin's creed has kept the principles behind the basic mechanics, but updated them to make them more satisfying, and added huge amounts of other gameplay. Over 6 years. It's not just numbers of games where they don't make changes, it's as time passes and the industry moves on there are certain improvements that become expected, and Nintendo may or may not include them in their new version of a game. All of that said, I love the hell out of DKC1-3, got DKC:R and really enjoyed it (although I haven't beaten it), and will get the new one if it comes to 3ds/when the Wii U drops to a price I'm willing to pay. I don't really care about new Mario games any more though, and only the addition of online multiplayer, which needs a community, keeps me buying new Mario Kart games. Playing the Sega Allstar Racers helped shine a light on just how stagnant Nintendo keeps their games. Edit: numbers were wrong, 16 != 26, 20 != 30. surc fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Feb 17, 2014 |
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Lumpy the Cook posted:Where did this whole concept of a needing a "system seller" game come from in the first place? I'm not necessarily defending the WiiU here, but the concept of spending hundreds of dollars for a console because of any one game seems pretty dumb. Well nothing is selling on the system, so they need something to get people to buy it.
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surc posted:Donkey Kong Country came out in 1994. DKC:R changed up the gameplay somewhat, but not a lot, 26 years later in 2010. Donkey Kong Country pretty much got rebooted so I don't think it counts, but you could have used New Super Mario Bros to make the same point. Having multiple players is cool but otherwise they're all the same game.
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 Jeez what an embarrassment for Retro and Nintendo. Nonsense posted:How long did it take you to finish off this masterpiece with a daft punk lyric? It's not from me  Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Feb 17, 2014 |
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The Kins posted:...you wouldn't happen to have reviewed Nier for any major games websites, would've you? I loved Nier actually. Though to be honest I just went with the gamefaqs guide because I couldn't be arsed to figure out what I was supposed to do on my own to get all the sidequests, then youtubed the alternate endings because I couldn't be arsed to play the game several times, even if it is just replaying "part 2" over again a few times. kimpira posted:I don't understand. Do the giant blinking GO HERE TO CONTINUE symbols on the map mean that I should go there to continue? Please help I did see those. At first I spent like an hour trying to figure out how to get there because there didn't seem to be a path I could find to the Zora domain. Then I looked it up and found out where to go, and it was a path I never once noticed. Afterwards, it was just like "oh he ran off" and I looked around to see what the next step was, couldn't figure it out and lost all interest. v  v At least I got a free gbc zelda game out of it I'll likely never play.
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Kurtofan posted:
Truly you have owned us all by cherry picking the highest reviews, well played.
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Even if the review scores were bad people would just scream bias anyway. As it stands the game's Metacritic aggregate is lower than NSMBU, an extremely derivative game that didn't sell systems.
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Kurtofan posted:
Even bad games can cherrypick good reviews to look good. DK is probably alright, but like most nintendo games it'll be nothing exciting if you've played any previous entry, or anything else in the genre made in the last few years. Hey I can do it too: quote:Edge: 7 Motto fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Feb 17, 2014 |
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Kurtofan posted:
How long did it take you to finish off this masterpiece with a daft punk lyric?
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