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tomanton
May 22, 2006

beam me up, tomato
D, we haven't had a sports run yet.

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Raitzeno
Nov 24, 2007

What? It seemed like
a good idea at the time.

I like option B.

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
Current vote count (including Raitzeno):

A: 1111
B: 111111111111
C: 111111
D: 1111

French Accent
Feb 3, 2012

I'm voting for C.

Raitzeno
Nov 24, 2007

What? It seemed like
a good idea at the time.

sincx posted:

Current vote count (including Raitzeno):

A: 1111
B: 111111111111
C: 111111
D: 1111

B has a 6-digit lead, i think we can safely call it. :cheeky:

Kay Kessler
May 9, 2013

I'll vote D

The_Frag_Man
Mar 26, 2005

Voting B so we can be Keima-kun.

BlazeEmblem
Jun 8, 2013

Uh oh. Do I use Ariadne thread or Goho-M?

D

To deal with future RPG encounters.

EagerSleeper
Feb 3, 2010

by R. Guyovich
B. Let's art around in Japanese culture.

HellCopter
Feb 9, 2012
College Slice
Judging by your (pretty great) stream we are already halfway to being Keima Katsuragi, so B it is.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
If his name is going to Be Goon, there is only one option.

Colorred
Dec 26, 2012
I vote for C because artiste. Also HR Giger.

fucking love Fiona Apple
Jun 19, 2013

samus comfy so what

I like Option D.

Meander
Apr 1, 2010


D. Time for some sports.

Happy Blue
Oct 18, 2012
A, since it seems like more fun.

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.

HellCopter posted:

Judging by your (pretty great) stream we are already halfway to being Keima Katsuragi, so B it is.

Is... is this a compliment? :colbert:

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



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vibratingsheep posted:

Is... is this a compliment? :colbert:
Halfway to the God of Conquest is still pretty solid. :colbert:

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Well, I wanna be a badass delinquent, but it seems like B is winning. Maybe in TokiMemo 3. I want Goons of every high school archetype.

Nondevor
Jun 1, 2011





catposting
Even though it's probably not going to win, let's be a delinquent for once! A.

MonotoneMorgan
Nov 20, 2013

The saddest day in Octavian's life was the day he was asked to shave his mustache.
Gotta be B, it's what the various Goons would want for their successors.

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.

Nondevor posted:

Even though it's probably not going to win, let's be a delinquent for once! A.

Amusingly, the very first time I ever played this game, I found out who voices the last boss of the delinquent run and immediately rushed the path to capture hi...s sister. It's an incredibly uncomplicated run that requires pretty much zero reading comprehension. So my teenaged self went "I don't have to read anything, AND I get to get into a bunch of really manly fights? Awesome!"

And don't despair, this is just for the childhood portion. As Hikari points out very early, people can change a lot after they're 8.

EzEight
Jan 21, 2014
D

Beefcake

GenericMook
Aug 5, 2011
Let's go with B.

Giovanni_Sinclair
Apr 25, 2009

It was on this day that his greatest enemy defeated, the true lord of darkness arose. His name? MARIO.
Going with B because isn't this what most of us truly are?

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.
With the previous post, we bid a fond but probably not permanent farewell to Tokimeki Memorial: Forever With You. Which, of course, means that it's now time for...

Let's Play: Tokimeki Memorial 2!



Tokimeki Memorial made Konami a ton of money. Character merchandise, spinoff games, sold-out concerts... Konami wasn't stupid. They knew that the formula worked, and they intended to outdo themselves with the sequel, which was released in November of 1999 - 5 months before the release of the PlayStation 2.

Prologue

Meet the Cast!
The Making of Goon2
Prologue: Raising the Flags of Childhood, part 1
Prologue: Raising the Flags of Childhood, part 2


Table of Contents (Maho route)
Chapter 1: Homecoming
Chapter 2: Get in.
Chapter 3: 50 first dates
Chapter 4: Spot the differences!
Chapter 5: Summer vacation
Chapter 6: No More Mister Nice Goon
Chapter 7: I'll never let go, Goon
Chapter 8: Erase / Rewind
Chapter 9: Settling into a rhythm
Chapter 10: Being a better wingman, plus the obligatory fight scene
Chapter 11: A summer filled with frogs and fish
Chapter 12: Attack of the Childhood Friends
Chapter 13: Dropping the act
Chapter 14: Preparing for the home stretch
Chapter 15: Can't Stop Won't Stop
Chapter 16: Burn
Chapter 17: Bad Girl
Chapter 18: Confessions
Chapter 19: Confessions, part 2

Table of Contents (Akane route)
Character Poll 2
Akane route, chapter 1: Live by the sword
Akane route, chapter 2: Jumping on the grenade
Akane route, chapter 3: Making enemies
Akane route, chapter 4: You're so money, and you don't even know it
Akane route, chapter 5: Go! Go! Muscle!
Akane route, chapter 6: Playing with fire
Akane route, chapter 7: Time's up
Akane route, chapter 8: Peace and quiet
Akane route, chapter 9: A time to love
Akane route, chapter 10: A time to hate
Akane route, chapter 11: Of monsters and men
Akane route, chapter 12: The last stand
Akane route, final chapter

What's new in the second game?


The most obvious change is that Tokimeki Memorial 2 takes place in Hibikino, a city right next door to Tokimeki Memorial's Kirameki city. Hibikino is apparently the sister city of Eugene, Oregon, because holy crap that green and gold color scheme burns itself into the eyes.

Tokimeki Memorial for the Super Famicom came in at around 3.2 MB. Tokimeki Memorial: Forever With You added a whole lot of voiced lines and graphics, and it weighed in at 480 MB. If you look, you can see where they had to cut corners in order to be able to squeeze all of that voice data onto a single CD - tons of repeated lines with very small variations, and only 5 unique events for each character. Tokimeki Memorial 2 blew it out of the water in terms of size, spanning 5 discs and weighing in at a whopping 2206 MB.

So, there's more of everything. More music. More voiced lines and unique events for each character. More mini-games. More character animation, both for the 2D sprites and for the super-deformed 3D character models. More places to go. More character interaction - as in, the characters can actually talk to each other and appear at the same time! More male characters - and all of them are actually, confirmably male... although there is that weird dream you can have about Takumi. And overall, a whole lot more personality!

There were a few significant quality of life changes, most notably with the bomb system. It's way easier to dodge bombs in Tokimemo 2 than it was in the first Tokimemo, and even if you do brain fart and let a bomb go off, there's a relationship chart that shows how much the girls like each other, which in turn affects how they're affected by bombs from other girls.

Tokimemo 2 also heaped on new features along with simple gameplay changes. I'll be going over these a lot, but the earliest features you bump into are EVS (Emotional Voice System) and the childhood portion of the game.

What's the Emotional Voice System?

It's Konami's predecessor to the Vocaloid system (note that the development of Vocaloid started in 2000, and was first released in 2004). For the EVS, all of the Tokimemo 2 voice actresses recorded every Japanese phoneme, and by patching together those files, the game can produce something that sounds like your name, instead of that awkward pause wherever $playername appeared in the script of the first Tokimemo. Certain names break in the Japanese-only sound system (I remember "Dom" sounding especially heinous), and it has some pretty severe restrictions due to hardware limitations. One girl's voice data devours pretty much an entire PlayStation memory card, and you can only have one EVS active per playthrough. In addition, only Hikari and Kasumi were available for EVS in the original game. To get EVS for any of the other girls, you had to use add-on discs that came with copies of the Tokimemo 2 magazine, the Hibikino Walker (affectionately known as the Hibikino Stalker for its in-depth coverage of all of the characters).

Overall, though, it's a pretty neat system. You can download extra EVS discs from the PlayStation Network, and yes, I will buy the EVS disc for whichever girl becomes the target of the first playthrough!

What's the childhood portion?

The childhood portion of the game represents 5 days in 1992 when the PC is 8 years old. It's meant to establish relationships between many of the characters, and provide more backstory than "This is Shiori, and you'll have to take my word for it that we've been friends forever, because she'll treat me like I don't exist for two years." It's full of Childhood Promises and other devices that you can find in pretty much every teen romance anime/manga ever, and it also makes Hikari seem kind of annoying, but it pays off later in the game.

Like many other gimmicks, it's neat the first time you see it, but becomes annoying on later playthroughs - thus why I'll only be doing it once, and doing it Perfectly.

Why are the Japanese so fixated on childhood friends, anyway?

It's not just the Japanese. What the Japanese call an osananajimi ("childhood friend") operates on many of the same levels as the "Girl Next Door" and "Girl Back Home" archetypes that have been a staple of fiction for centuries. It's an easy way to establish the kind of relationship between two characters that takes the entirety of When Harry Met Sally to build otherwise. Want to show that two characters have a strong familial/fraternal bond that hints at the potential for romance?

Step 1: Write the words "Remember that time when we...?"
Step 2: Make up something that the speaking character would remember X years later
Step 3: Profit!

On a less jaded level, the osananajimi archetype is a flexible tool that sings to different parts of the Japanese soul. In many cases, the osananajimi is the Sibling You Never Had But Is Okay To Marry, playing the role of a playmate and surrogate family member to legions of latchkey kids deprived of parental affection. Or, to the many Japanese who move from suburban and rural areas to work in the city, the osananajimi represents everything that is good back home, the Family and Tradition that have been left behind and replaced by the Office and the Corporate life. And in many teenage romances, the osananajimi is a desperately needed anchor/safety valve in the turbulence of adolescence, a person who knows who you were and accepts who you are becoming - and conveniently happens to be both pretty and very much in love with you. There are many more levels to it, but that's a topic for a completely different time (plus, The World God Only Knows has already done a ton of yelling about it).

Let's get into the cast, and the first character poll!

vibratingsheep fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Dec 10, 2014

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.
Meet the Cast!

Okay, enough about that. What about the characters?

I'm glad you asked! Here are brief profiles of each girl:


Hinomoto Hikari
Successor to: Fujisaki Shiori (kind of)
Club: Track and Field
Wants: Her childhood friend.
CV: Noda Junko (AKA Konno Mitsune in Love Hina, Xing Cai in Dynasty Warriors)


Minazuki Kotoko
Successor to: Kisaragi Mio (kind of)
Club: Tea Ceremony
Wants: You to notice Hikari.
CV: Kosuge Mami (AKA Bathyschape in Narue no Sekai, and not much else)


Kotobuki Miyuki
Successor to: Asahina Yuuko
Club: Tennis
Wants: To stop being so unlucky.
CV: Takano Naoko (AKA Megumi Reynard in Martian Successor Nadesico, Kohaku in Melty Blood)


Ichimonji Akane
Successor to: N/A
Club: None; Works as a waitress
Wants: The rest of her family to do some goddamn work
CV: Nomura Mayumi


Shirayuki Miho
Successor to: Katagiri Ayako (kind of)
Club: Drama
Wants: A prince on a white horse
CV: Tachibana Hikari (AKA Princess Zelda in pretty much everything, Ayame in Power Stone)


Akai Homura
Successor to: N/A
Club: Student Body President
Wants: To eat, sleep, and sometimes kick people.
CV: Kumai Motoko (AKA Li Syaoran in Card Captor Sakura, Yuna in Japanese-dubbed Lilo and Stitch)


Yae Kaori
Successor to: N/A
Club: Volleyball
Wants: To be left alone.
CV: Murai Kazusa (AKA Clover in Japanese-dubbed Totally Spies)


Sakura Kaedeko
Successor to: Nijino Saki
Club: Baseball
Wants: To stop being treated like a kid. Also, a baseball championship.
CV: Maeda Chiaki


Ijuuin Mei
Successor to: Ijuuin Rei and Himoo Yuina
Club: Computer
Wants: You to know that she owns you. Yes, you.
CV: Tamura Yukari (AKA just look at her goddamn Wiki page, you'll find something you recognize, she's been an A-lister for a decade and a half)


Asou Kasumi
Successor to: Fujisaki Shiori
Club: Concert band (instructor)
Wants: You to be nicer to Hikari
CV: Torii Misa (AKA the announcer/narrator for a ton of Japanese variety shows)

And you said the girls talk to each other?

Not only do they talk to each other, they have relationships with people who are not the main character, and their own stats which they build in the exact same way as the player - every week they'll pick an activity and do it. As their affection rating rises, they'll be more and more likely to pick the same activity that the player does... and if they know someone else has a high affection rating toward the player, their friendship will suffer, too.

Because I love fighting games, I made a matchup chart for you and put it on Google Drive:



Is anyone as Nintendo Hard as Shiori?

Yes. Her name is Kasumi. She's a teacher. I am disqualifying her from the poll because we already saw Utter Perfection, and going down the path of Utter Perfection a second time is a waste of how interesting Tokimemo 2's characters can be.

Is anyone as annoying as Megumi?

No. Thank God, no. The closest thing is Hikari, because she automatically leaps up to the highest affection level at a certain point in the game. But she's nowhere close to being as bad as Megumi. More forgiving game mechanics are part of it. Genuine likability is another part of it.

Will you show us the Forever Alone ending again?



Here you go.

When do we start?

As soon as the first character poll is done! Starting with Tokimemo 2, I'll be streaming semi-regularly, so keep an eye out on my channel at http://twitch.tv/vibratingsheep!

So without further ado, let's have the most important vote of what will probably be the first of two runs (maybe even three or four, depending on how angry I get at Tokimemo 3) through the game! We know what kind of kid that our Goon will be... but What kind of teenager will Goon2 become?


A: A sensitive, caring soul.

Vote for this option if: You want to see just how much more story Tokimemo 2 can offer with improved character interaction and more disc space.


B: An ideal sidekick.

Vote for this option if: You like Kaichou Kicks, or want to get revenge for the Tokimemo 1 vote so that :science: wins


C: A bad boy.

Vote for this option if: You're curious why Miho appears twice in this poll, or if you want to do nothing but bodybuild, sleep, and get into fights.


D: Doesn't matter, Hikari will like Goon2 anyway.

Vote for this option if: You want to have time to mess around and explore the game on easy mode.


E: A baseball player.

Vote for this option if: You want to play a ton of baseball, and you don't mind that Kaedeko moves away at the end of the first year.

In summary:
A: I'll be the hero you've been dreaming of
B: I will never leave you alone
C: I am the man who will fight for your honor
D: I will always love you
E: Baseball.

The poll will close on Tuesday night after I'm done streaming and capturing childhood, plus the first couple days of school!

Next time: Have you seen my childhood?

vibratingsheep fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Feb 18, 2014

Tamba
Apr 5, 2010

B, just because of Tamura Yukari

CandyCrazy
Oct 20, 2012

An LP on Broken Forum's already covered the Mei and Homura routes, and I already voted once for fighting, so C.

Now allow me to undermine my vote by saying I won't mind if B wins anyway, because Homura owns.

CandyCrazy fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 17, 2014

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

A for frog chick and I already know why Miho is on the poll twice!

Artix
Apr 26, 2010

He's finally back,
to kick some tail!
And this time,
he's goin' to jail!
Either A or C would be fine with me, but if I had to pick one, let's go with A.

Heavy Sigh
Nov 13, 2011

They've planted corn everywhere.

Soiled Meat
E.

You cannot strike out with baseball.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



A, because story.

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

vibratingsheep posted:

The most obvious change is that Tokimeki Memorial 2 takes place in Hibikino, a city right next door to Tokimeki Memorial's Kirameki city. Hibikino is apparently the sister city of Eugene, Oregon, because holy crap that green and gold color scheme burns itself into the eyes.
Hey, one of my primary schools had a green and gold uniform. Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. :colbert:

FractalSandwich fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Feb 17, 2014

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.

FractalSandwich posted:

Hey, one of my schools had a green and gold uniform. Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. :colbert:

Blue and gold for life. Go Bears! :jihad:

Colorred
Dec 26, 2012
Definitely B. John Rambo would be an excellent addition to this thread.

Gotta Wear Shades
Jul 25, 2013

Learn to hoist a jack,
Learn to lay a track
Learn to pick and shovel too
And take my hammer, it'll do anything you tell it to
B. I'm hoping for Homura

Anoia
Dec 31, 2003

"Sooner or later, every curse is a prayer."
Let it B.

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.
We can be a bad enough dude to save princess Zelda. C

Son Ryo
Jun 13, 2007
Excuse me, do you know where Saiyans hang out?
It's hard to decide between A and B, but I think I have to vote for B.

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cyxx
Oct 1, 2005

Byon!
I vote D. need more baseball in our lives

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