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Holy poo poo, was it that long ago the USSR withdrew from Afghanistan? And Rambo III is older than that? It's almost hard to believe the Cold War ended 25 years ago, too. And that probably half the people in this thread weren't even born yet when the Berlin Wall crumbled.
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I could barely fit into anything armoured, leopard 1, Grizzly, Coyote (basically a LAV-III), even m577. M109 was ok though, roomy. I'm very tall though. Tall people are not suited to military life I expect.
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priznat posted:I could barely fit into anything armoured, leopard 1, Grizzly, Coyote (basically a LAV-III), even m577. M109 was ok though, roomy. WarDwarf... Isn't it nice? Sitting in an APC with extra head space. Nothing rhymes with midget, dwarf or little person.
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Feb 16, 2014 18:14
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"First to Fire" might be my new favorite military motto.
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Feb 16, 2014 22:34
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Makes me wonder how effective those systems would be against actual opponents instead of lazy drones flying in a straight line
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I don't know about the tests in the videos, but at least in some live-fire exercises they do actually maneuver to defeat the missiles.
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FrozenVent posted:"First to Fire" might be my new favorite military motto. I've seen "It flies, it dies" on Canadian AD unit shirts. They're real popular in air bases like Greenwood.
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grover posted:Holy poo poo, was it that long ago the USSR withdrew from Afghanistan? And Rambo III is older than that? It's almost hard to believe the Cold War ended 25 years ago, too. And that probably half the people in this thread weren't even born yet when the Berlin Wall crumbled. Berlin Wall hell, I was born a few months after Desert Storm.
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Beardless posted:Berlin Wall hell, I was born a few months after Desert Storm. Desert Storm happened when I was in Grade 2 or 3.
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I remember walking downstairs for breakfast before school and seeing the morning news with footage of the wall coming down.
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Feb 17, 2014 00:37
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I don't remember the Berlin Wall coming down at all but I do remember Desert Storm because of all the trading cards/toys that were Desert Storm themed. I would have been 6-7 or so.
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I still remember my dad leaving to deploy, and watching the news every evening. I vividly remove him coming home and us picking him up from the airport. I was 5, so I remember that but not the wall coming down.
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I watched the wall fall on live tv in England. Desert Storm was...fifth grade I think. I remember my dad went to Saudi and brought home an awesome elephant-skin wallet that the dog ate a couple of years later.
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I remember being in a school band practice when our piano player gal came in and said "it's started!" And made a finger gun shoot. It was a time of some pretty kick rear end military hardware montages on the news, I recall. That and a lot of shots of aaa fire from Baghdad.
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I got to see a lot of historical events and social trends that you young people didn't. Hearing from people who were born after I graduated high school in no way reminds me of death's cold hand getting ever nearer, the stench of his breath raising the hair on my arms. Nor do I hear his smirks at every lost memory or decline in all manner of physical abilities. So there.
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In other hard-to-believe news, did y'all know Gorbechov is still alive? I just kinda assumed he died a decade or two ago, but nope, apparently not. Can't embed this, but the interview starts @ 4:30: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-10-2014/jason-jones-live-from-sochi-ish---commie-dearest
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FrozenVent posted:"First to Fire" might be my new favorite military motto. I'll still stick with "PSYOPS. Because Physical Wounds Heal."
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Godholio posted:I don't know about the tests in the videos, but at least in some live-fire exercises they do actually maneuver to defeat the missiles. Case in point (also because I never get tired of watching this clip): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMSfg26YSQ
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I can remember eating lunch in school and the teacher running in and saying the USS Maine had been sunk in Havana Harbor. I turned to my classmate and said, "Watch McKinley start a loving war".
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iyaayas01 posted:Case in point (also because I never get tired of watching this clip): I'm not sure if a Phantom turning horizontally fits under the definition of "maneuvering" 
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Blistex posted:I can remember eating lunch in school and the teacher running in and saying the USS Maine had been sunk in Havana Harbor. I turned to my classmate and said, "Watch McKinley start a loving war". grover fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Feb 17, 2014 |
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Feb 17, 2014 14:40
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Blistex posted:I can remember eating lunch in school and the teacher running in and saying the USS Maine had been sunk in Havana Harbor. I turned to my classmate and said, "Watch McKinley start a loving war".  Fantastic...I love that you said it was sunk instead of exploded.
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Godholio posted:
Well you see...he remembers the Maine. I, however, remember the founding of the Delian league. Athens said it was for mutual protection, but we all knew it was just another proxy war for (olive) oil.
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Fearless posted:I've seen "It flies, it dies" on Canadian AD unit shirts. "Shoot 'em all. Sort 'em out on the ground." Translated version was real popular with Bundeswehr AD units for a while.
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Vindolanda posted:Well you see...he remembers the Maine. My grandfather insists if you look at the Big Bang footage in slow motion you can see that it was caused by perfectly placed and timed demolition charges.
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate.. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain lol. Time to die! *kaff*
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Feb 17, 2014 20:47
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You're far too young to be posting on SA, priznat.
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Am I a replican or replicant?? Back on topic, anyone catch the 60 minutes story on the F-35? Nothing really new but it definitely painted a bleak picture for the folks who haven't been following it that closely. priznat fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Feb 17, 2014 |
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Feb 17, 2014 21:03
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priznat posted:Am I a replican or replicant?? Did it mention how much money they spend on escorts for congressmen?
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I wish, they must be saving that for 60 Minutes..After Dark
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If the F-35 winds up...really failing, what is the fallback position, if any? Re-open the F-22 line and then build a bunch more teen fighters for the bomb truck role?
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bewbies posted:If the F-35 winds up...really failing, what is the fallback position, if any? Re-open the F-22 line and then build a bunch more teen fighters for the bomb truck role? F-35 isn't about fighters, its about buying votes. Its a stunning godamned success.
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bewbies posted:If the F-35 winds up...really failing, what is the fallback position, if any? Re-open the F-22 line and then build a bunch more teen fighters for the bomb truck role? I'm guessing that they won't let the F-35 "fail", in the sense that they will continue to keep throwing good money after bad to try and get it to perform how it should.
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I will say that the DoD acquisition process isn't usually hesitant to cut big money programs if they don't deliver, but the F-35 is...such a big program it might really be too big to fail. Even if it fails. But seriously if they make a plane that is quantitatively inferior to some combination of 22/18/15E, what then..
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I wasn't sure, they said the current price per f-35 was $160mil or so, does that cost fall or is that normalized over the production run of 2400? Haha yeah like it'll actually get cheaper as they go.
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MrYenko posted:F-35 isn't about fighters, its about buying votes. Its a stunning godamned success. Bingo
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bewbies posted:But seriously if they make a plane that is quantitatively inferior to some combination of 22/18/15E, what then.. It wouldn't mater. Think about it for a few minutes. Between the complete political debacle of folding on such a huge project and the very real military issue of just needing new airframes there is no other option BUT to stick with the F-35. If it sucks they'll throw money at it to make it suck less. If it's demonstrably inferior to everything out there they'll just hope really hard we don't end up at war with someone who has real air-to-air or ground-to-air capabilities before they get retired in favor of whatever comes next. For there to be any chance of the military washing their hands of it the design would have to be so profoundly hosed that they couldn't keep enough in the air at any single time to accomplish basic peacetime missions and requirements. Even then it would probably take some crazy, massively public, catastrophic failure taking out airplanes so frequently that there was no way to deny that there was a systemic issue.
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