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There was a mention somewhere of a writing contest between Martin, Sanderson, and Rothfuss. something about Sanderson and Rothfuss alternating chapters and Martin writing an ending. Of course that means all the characters will die in the end.
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NightRift posted:There was a mention somewhere of a writing contest between Martin, Sanderson, and Rothfuss. something about Sanderson and Rothfuss alternating chapters and Martin writing an ending. Of course that means all the characters will die in the end. Is the joke here that GRRM would actually finish something?
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Feb 3, 2014 19:14
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I feel that Sanderson's contributions would be pretty weak. He's a prolific writer who manages to complete books at a rapid pace, which is something, but I feel that he really has nothing to offer in terms of style, characters, or plot that the other two authors wouldn't seriously hand him his rear end on.
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Feb 3, 2014 19:25
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Agreed. The only thing Sanderson really has going for him is the sheer speed at which the man puts out books. I mean, they're not bad books but they're nothing special, either.
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Feb 3, 2014 23:55
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Khizan posted:Agreed. The only thing Sanderson really has going for him is the sheer speed at which the man puts out books. Read The Emperor's Soul.
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Feb 4, 2014 00:31
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Sanderson's books are easy reads that have a track record of building up to consistently exciting conclusions. The characters and prose aren't the highest quality, but the man plays to his strengths and works on improving his weaknesses. Rothfuss' books are good, but the plot in the Kingkiller Chronicles has a bit too much "kvothe needs money, plays music, pines over girl, insults rich bully, needs money, plays music, etc" cycling from what I remember. Oh and GRRM I can't comment on because I stopped reading ASOIAF 50 pages into the second book because I had no time or inclination to dedicate myself to the series. Democratic Pirate fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Feb 4, 2014 |
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Feb 4, 2014 00:41
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Democratic Pirate posted:Oh and GRRM I can't comment on because I stopped reading ASOIAF 50 pages into the second book because I had no time or inclination to dedicate myself to the series. That's OK. Neither does GURM anymore!
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Feb 4, 2014 03:52
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Someone linked me to this review Rothfuss wrote about Esio Trot, a book by Roald Dahl. It's fairly amusing. I kind of want to read more reviews that start with "gently caress this book."
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Feb 11, 2014 13:01
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There are plenty reviews for Wise Man's Fear that start that way.
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Feb 11, 2014 15:02
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The Puppy Bowl posted:There are plenty reviews for Wise Man's Fear that start that way. Actually I thought they started "This book fucks?"
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Feb 11, 2014 20:41
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Is there any good page collecting theories? Kind of like how Tower of the Hand has their GRRM theories pages?
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Feb 11, 2014 21:01
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bengraven posted:Is there any good page collecting theories? A great place to start would be Jo Walton's TOR re-read. Her analysis and their threads cover most of them.
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Feb 11, 2014 23:27
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Wittgen posted:Someone linked me to this review Rothfuss wrote about Esio Trot, a book by Roald Dahl. It's fairly amusing. I kind of want to read more reviews that start with "gently caress this book." I do *not* appreciate this style of emphasis for *some* reason.
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Feb 11, 2014 23:37
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StoicRomance posted:A great place to start would be Jo Walton's TOR re-read. Her analysis and their threads cover most of them. Here's the Jo Walton reread main page: http://www.tor.com/features/series/patrick-rothfuss-reread The posts titled "Speculative Summary" have all the different theories.
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Feb 12, 2014 01:15
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You know what? I'm out. I read the first two books and saw the positives through the many many flaws but that review is just too crazy hypocritical for me to go on. gently caress the GRRM like stalling, gently caress the Mary-Sue sex fiction, gently caress the excessively worked over writing style, and gently caress Kvothe. I wish you all the best of luck with this poo poo, but I'm out.
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Feb 12, 2014 04:57
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Turn in your talent pipes and report to the horns E'lir.
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Feb 12, 2014 05:49
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Does it cost me anything to be "in"? I thought I'd just keep doing my thing and whenever book 3 comes out... cool. Am I supposed to be doing something else until then? 
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Feb 12, 2014 06:03
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kenny powerzzz posted:Turn in your talent pipes and report to the horns E'lir. You can have my pipes when you take them from my cold, dead plumbing.
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Feb 12, 2014 17:35
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The Puppy Bowl posted:You know what? I'm out. I read the first two books and saw the positives through the many many flaws but that review is just too crazy hypocritical for me to go on.
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Feb 12, 2014 20:06
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Above Our Own posted:Rothfuss is an obnoxious rear end in a top hat without a scrap of self awareness who can write engaging fantasy books. You don't need to like the author to like the book Sort of like how Quentin Tarantino is a brilliant director, but a loving creepy rear end in a top hat in real life.
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Feb 12, 2014 20:41
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Looking up personal stuff about a writer usually ends in tears more often than not. *Especially* when it's a genre writer. (Rothfuss' complaints about the LotR movies sure got weird with the metaphor he made about it, to name another example of poo poo he said)
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Feb 13, 2014 00:57
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Above Our Own posted:Rothfuss is an obnoxious rear end in a top hat without a scrap of self awareness who can write engaging fantasy books. You don't need to like the author to like the book I'd say Rothfuss can write some fantastic prose, but his fame and pseudo-celebrity status have highlighted his weird eccentricities and general idiocy. Him and GRRM are getting associated more and more while genuinely good writers like Sanderson and Abercrombie are less known but are putting out a book every year. Now that Rothfuss is a "big time fantasy writer" hasn't he taken jobs writing for KS projects and taken on more non-Kvothe based works?
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Feb 13, 2014 01:48
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He has gotten some side work but I don't think he's gonna reach GRRM levels of procrastination anytime soon. Even though it seems he was greatly exaggerating about having a completed draft of the entire series (this seems true on some level but it sounds like he has made a ton of additions/changes to it) I feel like he's not the sort to endlessly stall on a project. I'm sure those side projects are delaying the final book, but I can't really begrudge him for doing that yet; after all, at least we know he's spending his time working on something! I don't feel that putting out a book every year is a good metric for or against the quality of a book though, since different writers work at different speeds.
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Feb 13, 2014 05:09
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I'm 100% sure he's got a complete first draft, but I think people vastly over-think how much a first draft is worth in terms of how publishable something is. I sincerely doubt agreeing to do some novellas here and there is interfering in any appreciable sense, either. I'm not the guy's biggest fan, but I've seen people get bent out of shape at him for doing some pretty significant charity work because it involves not being chained to a desk banging out the next book, that's kind of lousy.
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Feb 13, 2014 05:31
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The Puppy Bowl posted:You know what? I'm out. I read the first two books and saw the positives through the many many flaws but that review is just too crazy hypocritical for me to go on. That Review posted:But recently, my love dimmed a little when I read James and the Giant Peach, a book that was a serious boatload of meh. A nickel's worth of story in a dollar-long book. Anytime in the future of humanity, when somebody needs to define the phrase "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones," all they will ever have to do is point to this sentence and say "That."
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Feb 13, 2014 08:52
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pentyne posted:I'd say Rothfuss can write some fantastic prose, but his fame and pseudo-celebrity status have highlighted his weird eccentricities and general idiocy. Him and GRRM are getting associated more and more while genuinely good writers like Sanderson and Abercrombie are less known but are putting out a book every year.
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Feb 13, 2014 15:23
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Above Our Own posted:I don't think Sanderson is a genuinely good writer at all, just a genuinely prolific one. Out of all the authors mentioned I think his books by far show the least technical skill in every area. Putting Sanderson and Abercrombie in the same sentence is kind of horrifying; one's an incredible fantasy author writing some of the greatest books out, and the other's a Mormon who likes building magic systems.
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Feb 13, 2014 17:46
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Whalley posted:Sanderson's a lot like Stephen King - he knows, like book-learnin' knows, a hell of a lot about story structure, about language, about writing itself. He's got a huge fuckin' catalog that he constantly updates at least once a year. He's just not very good at applying all of his knowledge and work ethic towards making something genuinely well written. Sanderson is nothing like King, because Stephen King has written some loving excellent books. IT. The Running Man. Pet Sematary. The Shining. The Long Walk. His later output has been crap, admittedly, but he's got some great books in his bibliography. Sanderson has a bunch of glorified Player's Handbooks.
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Feb 13, 2014 18:20
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Sanderson is steadily getting better at least. The Emperor's Soul was excellent. Possibly because while it did have a very intriguing magic system, it wasn't the sort that sounded like it belonged in a video game.
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Feb 13, 2014 20:43
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Hah, yes. I loved Mistborn, but I had to put down Alloy of Law because the plot felt like it belonged in a 90's video game...also the dialogue, and the characters.
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Feb 14, 2014 02:01
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Sanderson is perfect for when I want an easy read with an interesting magic system and a plot buildup towards the end to keep me engaged. In tv terms he isn't The Wire or Breaking Bad good, but he's something I'll gladly binge watch on Netflix when I want to relax for a few hours. He does like to be actively writing 50 books at one time, I wonder what the difference would be if he focused all of his attention on one book at time.
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Feb 14, 2014 02:55
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Democratic Pirate posted:I'm going to have to do a reread of Rothfuss because I looked at the stuff about Auri on that reddit link and had no idea who the character was. Same here. I know my memory for specifics in books isn't great, but why can't I at all remember a character who's apparently important enough to get their own novel?
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Feb 16, 2014 06:50
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She's not interesting. Auri is the archetypical infantilized sexy baby mysterious girl. Examples: River from Firefly. Leeloo Multipass from the Fifth Element. Rothfuss is a huge fan of Whedon, who has a hard on for those types of characters.
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BananaNutkins posted:She's not interesting. It's a little more than that, though you are right about Whedon. Auri is also damaged in some way and Kvothe feels the need to protect her because of it. I liked Auri when I read the story but then Pat started talking about how she was beautiful to the story, which made me think about it a little more and made me a little sick the more I thought about the fetish for damaged-but-innocent women. It'll be interesting to see how he views Auri as more of an individual though with his novella. Slightly withholding judgement until I read it. About Devi...I didn't pick up on it until I listened to the audiobook for WMF, but about the reason she was expelled: did Professor Dahl try to make a move on her and she defended herself? When Kvothe confronted her about his blood, he tried restraining her and she went absolutely batshit and said something about Dahl attempting something similar. Thoughts? Something about that scene really made my skin crawl.
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Feb 16, 2014 21:26
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Yeah there's a slightly rapey undertone for almost every female character
Not that big of a deal, but it is a little creepy.
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Feb 17, 2014 08:44
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Above Our Own posted:Yeah there's a slightly rapey undertone for almost every female character What?
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WastedJoker posted:What? For Devi, past sexual assault is a (but not the only) reasonable interpretation of some of the relevant quotes, which I've put below. quote:"[Devi] was expelled for Conduct Unbecoming. There was no proof of malfeasance."
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Feb 17, 2014 22:11
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ulmont posted:Auri is clearly not normal, but I haven't seen a real damage / abuse connection other than her being skittish of people. I agree that her mystic nature and general attraction for Kvothe is related to her not being normal, but again I see less of a sexual connotation for Auri. I had the feeling she had lost her name somehow and Kvothe gave it back to her/gave her another one. Maybe damaged isn't the right word...vulnerable? Innocent and vulnerable. Isn't she also a little older than him too? I agree there isn't really anything sexual between them. It'll be interesting to see her novella to see what she's really like rather than how Kvothe see's her.
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Feb 17, 2014 22:57
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I remember Auri as being younger, but I don't think her age is ever specified. She's clearly extremely emotionally damaged; even though it's not stated outright it's hard to believe someone could end up like that without being the victim of some pretty serious abuse. Not necessarily sexual, though.
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I actually think it's quite easy to believe someone could end up being like that without abuse. She was a student, right? We see many times that messing around with magic is a good way to mentally or emotionally break yourself. I'm not saying it wasn't abuse or trauma. It's just that the answer could be magic.
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