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Shwoo
Jul 21, 2011

Venusian Weasel posted:

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Tambov333

Re: Aberforth pic... Isn't it Just a Face and a Caption? I could restore it otherwise.

Not to mention Fanon.
Apparently this page used to have a shout out to Harry Potter bestiality fan art.
That just means that the image at the top of the page used to be Aberforth Dumbledore instead of the Cyanide and Happiness comic that's there now. I think they're saying that it had nothing to do with the trope unless you're already familiar with minor Harry Potter characters, and even then it's not directly stated.

I know this because "Just A Face And A Caption" is a trope. They have a whole index of them.

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Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

echopapa posted:

Here's the index of Anatomy Tropes. Breast-related tropes are in bold.

Abnormal Limb Rotation Range
A-Cup Angst
Anal Probing
Animation Anatomy Aging
rear end Shove
Barbie Doll Anatomy
Boobs of Steel
Breast Attack
Breast Expansion
Body Pocket
D-Cup Distress
Extendable Arms
Fake Boobs
Fake Muscles
Flexing Those Non-Biceps
Funbag Airbag
Gag Boobs
Gag Nose
Gainaxing
Groin Attack
A Head at Each End
Heart in the Wrong Place
Hermaphrodite
Hidden Buxom
Impossible Hourglass Figure
Invisible Anatomy
Limb-Sensation Fascination
Literal Change of Heart
Marshmallow Hell
Misty May
Monster Modesty
Multiboobage
Nose Shove
Orifice Evacuation
Orifice Invasion
Retractable Appendages
Ribcage Stomach
Rubber Hose Limbs
Sinister Schnoz
Stomach of Holding
Sudden Anatomy
Treasure Chest Cavity
Triple Nipple
Useless Spleen
Who Needs Their Whole Body?

What, so after Google made TVTropes get rid of their breast tropes and rear end tropes pages, they just condensed it all into one massive clusterfuck?

Penny Paper
Dec 31, 2012

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

What, so after Google made TVTropes get rid of their breast tropes and rear end tropes pages, they just condensed it all into one massive clusterfuck?

I think they just saved the ones they spanked it to the most and tossed the rest out. I remember reading the previous SA threads about TV Tropes and they had more T&A "tropes" than this.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Does anyone remember the troper who created, and then argued passionatley in defense of, the breast size chart? I seem to recall this guy caring a great deal about keeping the very important and well-researched chart comparing English, Japanese and anime breast sizes.

EDIT: It was Raso. It's right there in the OP. :doh:

Anyway, but yes, I believe the chart was one of the things on the clean up chopping block and Raso was very concerned about losing it. It was like his kid, or something.

HackensackBackpack fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Feb 18, 2014

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

Enough about Tropers being creepy, let's talk about their Australian Football page instead. Disappointingly enough, there's no funny, awesome or tear jerker pages since I'd expect actual moments (ie the final public appearance of Teddy Whitten before he passed away of cancer or Jason McCartneys return to football after suffering severe burns and injuries in the 2002 Bali bombing where he was helping people escape the debris despite how badly injured he was) to be passed over for "this team lost/won a grand final and that is sad"


Actually, the lack of any mention of Teddy Whitten at all pisses me off. He was one of the greatest players in AFL history and one of the inaugural legends inducted in the hall of fame. During a State of Origin game only weeks before his death, Whitten, suffering from blindness due to the cancer, was driven around a lap of the MCG, with his son Ted jr. by his side and his granddaughter with him. Here was a legend who was now a frail looking old man clutching the arm of his son while still waving to the crowd.

gently caress the usual tear jerker poo poo, that is something that is soul crushingly sad.


Warning, incoming sperginess.

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Brisbane Lions (Qld) - Formed by the merger of the Brisbane Bears and Fitzroy Lions.

Supporter stereotype: Fair-weather fans who don't know much about the game, and only pay attention in years when Brisbane are doing well.
Unless they're actually Victorian. The club has a loyal fan base in Melbourne, mostly people who followed Fitzroy before the merger. Most fans attend the few games Brisbane have in Victoria (usually five or six), and an amateur team picked up the Fitzroy name. Fitzroy supporters were legendarily (read: insanely) loyal (before the merger, that is - a lot of them gave up in disgust at that point), and the team was generally well-liked by supporters of other teams in a perpetual underdog kind of way. As the bard of Aussie Rules, Greg Champion put it: "deep in our hearts, we all barrack for Fitzroy".

Nope, nearly every dedicated Fitzroy fan that I've met gave up on the AFL after the merger. This was because they were expected to switch to Brisbane which pissed off a lot of fans and they instead chose to walk away from the AFL instead. Once more, they also don't note tha the AFL president walked into the office once the merger was confirmed as essentially rubbed it in everyones faces that he had won and they were dead.


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Greater Western Sydney Giants (NSW)
Joined League: 2012
Colours: Orange, charcoal and white
Supporter stereotype: They don't have any supporters, and people that do attend their matches only show up because the AFL hands out thousands of free tickets to every match. Their home games against the Sydney Swans (the other Sydney team) result in what looks like a Swans home game, and the eventual pitied golf clapping from the Swans fans as they go down by at least fifty points. Kind of like the Phoenix Coyotes, except having an ice hockey team in the desert makes more sense than this.
Also Canberrans, as the team plays a few home games a season there. Somewhat strangely, these are the only games that tend to sell out.
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Ah yeah, they only have fans in Canberra because the AFL told them that this was the closest that they were going to get to an AFL team and that not enough memberships or tickets selling would lead to less and less games played there. Yeah, it's essentially blackmail.


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Western Bulldogs (Vic - Formerly Footscray)
Joined League: 1925
Colours: Red, white and royal blue
Premierships: 1954 (as Footscray)
Supporter stereotype: Similar to Richmond, with St Kilda's "long suffering" element added. Also has a similar cliché of supporters in the Asian migrant community, although unlike the Richmond group, these ones seem to understand the game, or at least get worked up enough about losing to torch the odd car when things go worse then what is normal by the club's standards.
By "The Saints' long-suffering element", read "won exactly one premiership, longer ago than St Kilda did, and haven't played in a grand final in fifty years".
They did get to the preliminary final in 2009, but were knocked out by St Kilda. We take solace in the fact that Collingwood were knocked out in the same week. By Geelong. The fact that St Kilda then lost the grand final doesn't make it any better.



Oh gently caress off. Bulldogs supporters have never torched a car when we've lost (this would probably only happen in Geelong really), Bulldogs supporters weren't supporting the Saints (really nobody where. Geelong were well respected for being that good of a team while the Saints were seen as lucky to make it and boring to watch) for the 2009 grand final because their captain cheated by taking multiple dives. Funnily enough, no mention of the other preliminary finals that we lost in. No mention of the 1997 one where we were in control for most of the game until a guy called Darren Jarmen had the game of his career and won it for Adelaide. No mention of us nearly getting merged multiple times.




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Acceptable Targets:
After advising any closeted gays in the League to stay right where they were, former Western Bulldogs player Jason Akermanis became an acceptable target to many.

Note that he's not a former Brisbane player (where he won a brownlow medal and multiple premierships) and is instead a Bulldogs player where he played a couple of years before they fired him. He was also advising that because he knew that the crowds would never accept them yet and that it would be an uphill struggle. But he's a shithead anyways and so who cares.




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Artifact Title: As the AFL expanded from a Victorian to a national competition, many Victorian clubs lost their connections to the suburbs they were named after. Collingwood, Hawthorn and St Kilda no longer have any ties to their namesake suburbs, and (except for Melbourne) the rest of the suburban grounds are used only for training and social purposes (the league's nine Melbourne-based teams have a grand total of two home stadiums).

The name changed when the fourth interstate team debuted. Prior to that it was a Melbourne based team that had up and moved to Sydney and two teams that were regarded as jokes at the time and it was doubted that they would survive very long. Once 5 states had represenatives & the Western Australia team was strong enough to survive, then they changed the name. Western Australia & South Australia also had incredibly strong state leagues at the time and would not have appreciated that the VFL was making themselves out to be so superior.


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Bar Sinister: Essendon and Richmond's jumpers.

Beep boop, jumper has a sash so it is trope.


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Bias Steamroller: Arguably, Eddie McGuire commentating on AFL games involving Collingwood, given that he's the current President of the club. In his current commentating duties, he is prohibited from such games.


McGuire stopped commentating Collingwood games as soon as he became club president because he knew that listeners didn't want to listen to a circle jerk. Why not talk about James Brayshaw (North Melbourne club president) who does actually commentate North Melbourne games and shows severe North Melbourne bias on the Footy Show?


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Bonus Points / Pandering to the Base: In the pre-season tournament, nine points are given to "Super" goals kicked from outside the 50 metre arc, instead of the regular six.

What does that have to do with this? Bonus points, yeah obviously but pandering to the base?



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Darker and Edgier: Footscray's theme song had the lines "We'll come out smiling, whether we win or lose". When they changed their name to the Western Bulldogs, it was changed to "We'll come out snarling, Bulldogs through and through."

Okay
A) "We'll come out smiling, whether we win or lose" sounds terrible and has no flow

B) Because despite English Bulldogs being harmless animals thanks to a couple of hundred years of inbreeding, they do snarl from time to time.


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Enemies Equals Greatness: Collingwood seems to take pride in how much fans of other teams hate them. One commercial had fans of other teams talking about how much they hate Collingwood, with a voiceover at the end saying, "Give 'em the bird. Sign up for Magpies membership today."
Hawthorn was also hated by fans of other clubs during their period of dominance in the 80s.

Successful team is disliked by other teams. News at 11.

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In Name Only: The Brisbane Bears were a team whose original home ground was 70km from Brisbane, and whose mascot was a koala.

And the West Coast eagles actually only play in Perth instead of all around Western Australia. And the Western Bulldogs are in an Eastern state which must be so confusing to people. And Fremantle has never played in Fremantle itself and instead plays in Perth.


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Retraux: The AFL's "heritage round" has teams wear old-style versions of their guernseys. Hawthorn fans seemed to particularly like their heritage strip, and there is a push for the team to change back to it permanently.
After the Western Bulldogs wore their Heritage strip (the one they wore during their only Premiership year) the club decided to return to it the following year.

That jumper was Footscrays jumper for a 100 years before it was changed following the rebranding of them as the Western Bulldogs. The Bulldogs won the VFA premiership 9 times in 25 and beat the AFL premiers the year before they joined the AFL and the Bombers cracked the shits about losing to a lesser team. Show a little loving respect.


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She Panned Him, Now She Sucks: When news broke that Essendon players had been given banned substances in 2012, The Age journalist Caroline Wilson was perhaps the most strident critic of Essendon coach James Hird's role in the affair, something Essendon fans did not appreciate.


People hate Caroline Wilson because she's a rumour mongerer, refuses to acknowledge being wrong (which happens all the time) and is pretty poo poo at her job. Not because of this.


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Spin-Offspring: The father/son rule, which gives clubs first preference in the draft for the sons of their former players. Way too many examples to list, but the Ur Example is Ron Barassi; his father played for Melbourne, but zoning rules at the time meant that Ron would have to play for either Carlton or Collingwood. Melbourne (who had been supporting Ron and his mother after his father was killed in action during WW2) lobbied the VFL to let them draft Ron to play for them when he was old enough, and they agreed. He later caused controversy by transferring to Carlton for the money, something that was not done at the time.


You know, there is a better trope that you could use. Follow in My Footsteps or even something akin to Legacy character or second generation star. Spin-Offspring is a spinoff based on a fictional characters kids. Also, players moved clubs for money all the time.



All in all, it's almost aggravating that they are just so narrow-sighted. This should be somewhere that has a crowning moment of awesome page because there are incredible moments happening every round. And the only thing about the father-son rule is that it exists and that Ron Barassi was great. I mean, the greatest player of the modern era (Gary Ablett Jnr) is never even mentioned on the page.

Testekill fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Feb 18, 2014

Fuego Fish
Dec 5, 2004

By tooth and claw!
Wow, TvTropes really does ruin everything it touches.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Testekill posted:

Australian Football
It's Tropers talking about sports. What kind of insight did you expect?

Penny Paper
Dec 31, 2012

Sham bam bamina! posted:

It's Tropers talking about sports. What kind of insight did you expect?

I thought Tropers didn't allow sports on their hallowed website, lest they become a meathead jock.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

Penny Paper posted:

I thought Tropers didn't allow sports on their hallowed website, lest they become a meathead jock.

No you see, the big mean jocks played American sports. Since the AFL is from a land far away, none of those mean jerks would have played it.

Apple Tree
Sep 8, 2013

Testekill posted:

No you see, the big mean jocks played American sports. Since the AFL is from a land far away, none of those mean jerks would have played it.

To be fair, their entry on American football is not only comprehensive and neutral in tone, it's quite informative. It's actually quite a lot higher-quality than most of their 'literary' trope pages; if all you ever saw of TVTropes was this page, you'd come away thinking it was a perfectly okay pop culture information site and wonder what the gently caress everyone on this thread's problem was.

Sports are popular, and TVTropes has enough people on it that there's bound to be some sports fans. And if you like collating and listing, explaining a sport is a pretty good subject for that. American football seems to bring out the best in them.

Thinky Whale
Aug 2, 2012

All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Fry.
Here's a page for Someone's Feet Get Hurt.

There are several subpages.

Ninjasaurus
Feb 11, 2014

This is indeed a disturbing universe.

Oh, man! I've always wanted to know about every single instance of someone hurting their feet not only in fiction but in Real Life! :bravo:, tvtropes!

vaguely
Apr 29, 2013

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It's not a fetish site! It's a serious academic resource!
:goonsay:

Thinky Whale
Aug 2, 2012

All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Fry.

vaguely posted:

It's not a fetish site! It's a serious academic resource!
:goonsay:

If it was even fetishistic that would make more sense, but no, it's just an unbelievably :spergin: list of video game bosses that get hit in the feet and opinions about steel-toed boots. It is straight up baffling.

Real Life posted:

-Injury from a vehicle running over your foot can be avoided with two factors: the tyre is under-inflated, and the ground below is loose gravel that spreads the weight. Just don't pull it out till the vehicle's gone.

-Kicking the instep is sometimes taught as a self-defense move.

-For a similar effect, step on pieces of LEGO or a Barbie doll's shoe barefoot. Of course, if you regularly go barefoot outside this isn't going to faze you, partly because you'll probably see it, but mostly because shoes make your feet more sensitive to things they shouldn't be by cutting off almost all sensation form the ground (meaning your brain 'turns up the volume' as high as it will go in an attempt to feel where you are going).

Or if you're a Tabletop Gamer, a D4. They're called "caltrops" for a reason.

Or if you really want to go over the top drop a bowling ball on someone's foot, ten pounds or more will send them to the hospital.
Any food in the upper freezer that is precariously perched on a bunch of other items can and will fall out of it right on your toes; bonus points if it's the Thanksgiving turkey.

Guess why most two-compartment fridges/freezers made in the last 4 decades have the freezer in the lower half.

And be careful when you handle hardback Doorstopper books, which are especially painful when they hit your toes sharp end first.
Those tiny screws that mysteriously vanished the last time you took something apart and reassembled it? They'll just as mysteriously reappear pointy side up when you're walking barefoot in the dark.

One might argue that the sole purpose of the little toe/pinky toe is to locate furniture in the darkness or when in a hurry.
If you do go walking outside barefoot, you really want to keep an eye out for things like pinecones and small rocks; they may not be sharp enough to actually pierce your foot but they can hurt. You may also want to be extra careful if you see any broken bottles or other glass objects around, since broken glass can and probably will cause a wound or two, worst case scenario being that the pieces get completely into your foot and need to be fished out.

Beach sand on a hot day, every time. Then there's the pavement in the parking lot, this is why sandals were invented.

:tvtropes: - here to inform you that stepping on glass hurts.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

Thinky Whale posted:

If it was even fetishistic that would make more sense, but no, it's just an unbelievably :spergin: list of video game bosses that get hit in the feet and opinions about steel-toed boots. It is straight up baffling.


:tvtropes: - here to inform you that stepping on glass hurts.

I have to just ask. What is the point? I mean, what would be the point of this ever?

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Testekill posted:

I have to just ask. What is the point? I mean, what would be the point of this ever?

If they don't record everything how will they know how to assemble tropes into stories?

Alpacalips Now
Oct 4, 2013
Even if it wasn't what that astonishingly dull, dorky-rear end troper intended, the only way I can think of that trope being useful is if there's a fetishist looking for media where someone gets their feet stomped. The next logical step is to catalog tropes for every other part of the body getting injured. I think Shot in the Shoulder is already accounted for, but everything else is wide open. Get cracking, tropers.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Testekill posted:

I have to just ask. What is the point? I mean, what would be the point of this ever?

Die Hard was a pretty good movie.

Apple Tree
Sep 8, 2013

Testekill posted:

I have to just ask. What is the point? I mean, what would be the point of this ever?

Most innocent explanation? Bored at work and killing time. Happens a lot on a lot of websites - it's just not usually preserved as 'academic analysis.'

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Alpacalips Now posted:

Even if it wasn't what that astonishingly dull, dorky-rear end troper intended, the only way I can think of that trope being useful is if there's a fetishist looking for media where someone gets their feet stomped. The next logical step is to catalog tropes for every other part of the body getting injured. I think Shot in the Shoulder is already accounted for, but everything else is wide open. Get cracking, tropers.
Hell no, I can totally use this for my badass fic. It's about a guy named Andrew Chilles. The badass will have just slaughtered a group of mooks with his icepowers on the parkinglot near a beach when he steps on the pavement and burns his feet! (Because he has icepowers and his name is like Achilles.) Without these tropes I would've completely missed an important detail such as this. :smug:

CoolZidane
Jun 24, 2008

WickedHate posted:

If they don't record everything how will they know how to assemble tropes into stories a list of tropes?

I'm not giving them the compliment of calling them "stories."

JosephWongKS
Apr 4, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Alpacalips Now posted:

Even if it wasn't what that astonishingly dull, dorky-rear end troper intended, the only way I can think of that trope being useful is if there's a fetishist looking for media where someone gets their feet stomped. The next logical step is to catalog tropes for every other part of the body getting injured. I think Shot in the Shoulder is already accounted for, but everything else is wide open. Get cracking, tropers.

I think they have pretty much everything covered already.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnArmAndALeg posted:

An Arm and a Leg

Essentially, limb loss as dramatic device. Can come about in a variety of ways:

Self-amputation: The character deliberately removes the limb themselves, under duress or otherwise.
Accident: The loss is accidental, or occurs during battle.
Deliberate: Another person/entity deliberately rips, cuts or otherwise separates the limb from the owner. It may happen in battle, but it's not a type 3 unless the amputation was deliberate.

May be the predecessor to Artificial Limbs, Arm Cannon, Hook Hand or Swiss Army Appendage. Frequently appears in the backstory of a Handicapped Badass. If played for laughs it's Only a Flesh Wound. Characters with Appendage Assimilation will simply stitch a new appendage on the gaping hole. If it's a severed hand, expect it to be be used in a Dead Hand Shot.

Note that this trope only applies when limb loss is deliberately used to advance the plot. It does not apply to preexisting conditions or incidental carnage amongst background characters. If the incident leading to the loss is featured in a flashback by all means include it, but if we only see the character after it happens it doesn't count.

Compare Knee-capping and Agony of the Feet. Fake Arm Disarm is a bloodless version of this trope.

Arranged by medium as usual, but please note what type it is at the beginning of the entry.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AttackTheTail posted:

Attack the Tail

Attacking the tail For Massive Damage. Common in cartoons, especially for cats.

Compare Groin Attack, Literal rear end Kicking. See also Amusing Injuries.

Not to be confused with attacking with tails.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BreastAttack posted:

Breast Attack

Breast Attack is the Distaff Counterpart to Groin Attack, since receiving blunt trauma to the breasts is painful for women, though maybe not as painful as Groin Attack is for men (not that many people can be a proper judge of that). The nipples are also rather sensitive, though this is also true for men to a lesser extent.

In reality, a Groin Attack is much more dangerous and painful for women than a Breast Attack, not even so much because of genitalia but more because of being a site of most major vital nerves and blood-vessels to the lower extremities. However, in a fight, breasts are a much easier target, which is why the Breast Attack is much more common than a female Groin Attack.

A Breast Attack is sometimes intended to show that the male attacker is playing dirty (and against a woman too, how low!). You're supposed to wince at this one, but this trope is occasionally Played for Laughs. If the victim is already a Butt Monkey, it's okay to laugh. Or if it's a woman doing it to another woman. Or a man getting a purple nurple.

Contrast Torpedo Tits, where breasts attack YOU!

Note that in Real Life, this sort of thing is always considered low (no matter who does it), is never funny, and can actually cause a nasty injury, so for obvious reasons, Don't Try This at Home.



http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CranialEruption posted:

Cranial Eruption

You never realized before, but your skull makes a funny ‘bonk’ sound whenever you’re inflicted with serious head trauma.
— Moonstuck, this post

In a classic cartoon, any non-fatal (which is to say, just about every) head injury immediately results in a huge swelling the size of an orange or larger, usually pushing its pink, fleshy way through the victim's hair. Sometimes they come pre-bandaged. May also erupt in the exact shape of the object that caused them. Attempts to shove the lumps back into one's head will usually be answered with a lump of equal-size appearing on the other side of the head... or sometimes somewhere else entirely.

Occasionally further damage will make the lump grow into an obelisk shaped little mountain, or cause the lump to sprout another smaller lump. These can happen multiple times in a row, causing either a very tall bump, or a little cactus-like appearance.

The spherical one is more popular in Anime, whereas the mound shaped one is more popular in Western Animation, although both have appeared in either medium.

Unfortunately, a Truth in Television, as a hard hit to the head can result in a swelled bump, which, if unlucky, won't go away for a long time. Animated mediums tend to exaggerate this though.

Not to be confused with Your Head Asplode.



http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DramaticDislocation posted:

Dramatic Dislocation

A dislocated joint, usually a shoulder, is a fabulous dramatic device. It's (usually) non-lethal, it hurts a lot, it severely disables their range of motion, and the character is usually forced to reduce (relocate) the joint without the convenience of proper medical attention or anesthetics, meaning it will almost always hurt. A lot.

The injured person will often have to coax someone nearby into assisting with the reduction, which they will be reluctant to do because of the Squickiness of the procedure. The opposite of this is when the injured person is assisted by a more experienced individual who lulls them into a more relaxed frame of mind before surprising them by deftly snapping the joint back into place. If you want to show someone as a total badass, have them relocate their own shoulder by slamming it into a wall, etc.

This trope has some elements of Truth in Television; while it is always better to seek proper medical attention, people in remote locations such as hikers and skiers sometimes have to reduce dislocated joints on their own. Where this trope starts to break from reality is the method used to pop the bone back into place. There are procedures that, while not as quick and dramatic as those shown in media, can put a shoulder back into joint with minimal pain, and most people with experience dealing with injuries would know this.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EarAche posted:

Ear Ache

This trope describes damage or painful actions done to the ears:

Someone's ear is cut clean off
Someone's ear is otherwise sliced
Someone's ear is pulled, yanked, or twisted
Someone's ear is bitten
Something sharp is stuck into someone's ear
Something like a virus/creature forces itself into someone's ear (Do not confuse with Ear Worm)
Someone's ear is bitten off or eaten

Compare Eye Scream, for similar nasty things happening to a character's eyes, or Fingore and Agony of the Feet, when the targets are the fingers and toes.

See also Shell-Shock Silence, and its aversion Steel Eardrums.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EyeScream posted:

Eye Scream

The more squeamish members of our audience may not wish to read further. We recommend you go here for a while instead. Thank you, have a nice day.

The eyes are our window to the world. We rely mostly on our sight to tell us about the world — its wonders, its dangers, and its beauty (unless you're blind). At the same time, our eyes are mostly made of water and nerve tissue. Which means that most direct attacks on the eyes, especially with a sharp, pointy object, will destroy them .

Ah. Made you wince, didn't it?

The Eye Scream is when the creator of a work takes advantage of our Primal Fear of having something utterly horrible happen to our eyes, usually involving the invasion of the eye sockets by a foreign body, and plays it up for all its worth; all its squishy, bloody, traumatic worth. Academically, this is known as the Injury to the Eye Motif.

An interesting commonality in these examples is that one of the best ways to quickly show a character has gone completely off the deep end is to show them mutilating their own eyes.

Usually accompanied with Reflective Eyes, so we can get a nice and nasty glimpse of the incoming foreign object. See also Go for the Eye, A Handful for an Eye, Moe Greene Special, Forced to Watch, and Eye Poke. Likewise, a Groin Attack can invoke the same primal reaction. Compare Fingore, Agony of the Feet and Ear Ache. Contrast Eyes Are Unbreakable. If the character survives it often results in an Eyepatch of Power.

In Real Life, this will usually kill you unless you can get immediate medical attention, due to blood loss and shock.

Has nothing to do with Eyed Screen, apart from both being Eye Tropes.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fingore posted:

Fingore

Eyes, teeth, tongues, throats, and genitalia are not the only human body parts that are extremely sensitive and fragile. Our fingers are, too. This trope includes all the nasty things that can happen to them:

Fingers broken one by one;
Fingers cut off;
Fingers shot off;
Fingers bitten off or eaten;
Fingernails torn off or pulled out;
Long sharp objects hammered into the finger bones;
The hand nerves are exposed and pulled to make the fingers move;
Fingers crushed between heavy objects or machine parts;
Any combination of the above.

What makes fingers so attractive for horror writers is that unlike the eyes, we generally have ten of them. The fun lasts five times longer! And that's not counting the toes.

Also, most people can relate to finger and toe injuries, since they tend to be very common in every day life. This makes finger severing and other injuries a lot more cringe-inducing than something as over the top as limb dismemberment or decapitation. Most people have no idea how something like that would feel, but we pretty much all can imagine what a having a section of your finger cut off would feel like, and it seems very unpleasant.

There's also the fact that in humans, fingers have the highest number of touch receptors of any part of the body, primarily as an evolutionary consequence to the human species' tool biased survival strategy that required the use of the hands. As a result, fingers are so sensitive they could even be considered to be sensory organs on par with the eyes. The loss of hands can also be extremely disabling for the same reasons above, just as the loss of an eye can be.

The title is a portmanteau of "finger" and "gore".

See Mutilation Interrogation for Cold-Blooded Torture that often involves this. For this done as a ritual, see Yubitsume. Fingers are a fairly common Creepy Souvenir.

Compare An Arm and a Leg, where an entire limb is lost; Impaled Palm, where the handpalm is pierced by some object; and Agony of the Feet, where it's the toes that are lost.

Contrast, among other things, Intertwined Fingers.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GroinAttack posted:

Groin Attack

It's not always played for comedy, but seeing someone get struck in the crotch is usually just plain funny. Whether the object doing the striking is an errant piece of sports equipment or a deliberately placed foot, the end result is going to be grown man doubled over and trembling with pain. Bonus points if he then hobbles away and says something in a high-pitched voice. Not only will everyone find this hilarious, but tape it and play it back for the guy and even he will probably laugh. At least, once the swelling goes down. Sometimes a cause of Amusing Injuries, especially if the victim is asking for it. In shows targeted at children it often times is a Dangerous Forbidden Technique (see 3 Ninjas and Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers: The Movie). In Japanese media, the blow is often accompanied by the sound of a bell.

Effectively, this is a human's version of Attack Its Weak Point For Massive Damage.

A subversion of this is Balls of Steel, where a character - for whatever reason - does not take damage from a Groin Attack.

Of course, this usually only applies to men, as women seem to be immune to the trope. Or that is, at least, how many depictions in popular cultures. In reality, females are no more vulnerable in their groin than anywhere else. A strike or squeeze to the vulva or clitoris will cause considerable pain and can incapacitate females due to the high amount of nerve endings in these structures. In extreme cases, the female victim may black out. The reason why females sometimes do not seem to suffer as much pain from a groin attack is because the vulva and clitoris, the parts of the female groin which cause pain when struck, are smaller than the target areas of the male groin, and are hence less likely to be hit. Nevertheless, a strike to a female's genitals can be just as damaging and debilitating as a blow to a male. Potential long-term health problems can arise for female victims of groin attacks including nerve damage to the clitoris, fracture of the pubic bone, hematoma, and vulvodynia. In many parts of the world, an attack on the female groin is considered to be sexual assault.

In contrast to most groin attacks, groin attacks that draw blood or involve some form of mutilation are very likely not to be played for comedy — and owing to the Primal Fear of bad things happening to our nether regions, particularly nasty attacks of this nature can be downright disturbing. Apart from being a hallmark of the Lust variant of the Serial Killer, this form of attack is most often used as either a particularly vicious form of Cold-Blooded Torture or as a way for Antiheroes to punish rapists and other sexual criminals, though a particularly vicious Combat Pragmatist may also use this tactic as just one more way to even the score or gain the upper hand in a fight. It may still come off as funny, though, if the guy is perceived as having brought it upon himself, such as having his gun go off in his pants.

Also see Standard Female Grab Area (which is not the same area, instead the upper arm), Eye Scream, Fingore, and The Tooth Hurts are other primal fear reactions. The Distaff Counterpart to this trope is Breast Attack. Often utilized by a Combat Pragmatist, and commonly followed up by Instant Soprano and/or Share the Male Pain.

WARNING, Reading these may cause extreme paranoia about injury to the pubic area and wincing in sympathy pains. Yes, even if you're female. Also, this is never as funny in Real Life as it is on TV and can actually cause very nasty injuries, so for obvious reasons, Don't Try This at Home.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImpaledPalm posted:

Impaled Palm

A character has something driven into the palm of his hand and right out the other side. Usually a knife, but may be a bullet. Crucially, it is done deliberately and usually (if it's not a bullet), quite slowly.

This may be done for several reasons:

To make us sympathise with him, while injuring him in a way that allows him to carry on operating mostly unhindered.
To demonstrate his machismo when he simply withdraws the object and carries on, or in some cases carries on without even bothering with the first part.
To demonstrate his extreme machismo when it was he who drove the object into his own palm in the first place.
To cause intense pain and incapacitate that person's hand without causing irreversible damage.
To imply some parallel with another guy who once suffered similar wounds.

Related to Fingore. May result in Pinned to the Wall.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JawBreaker posted:

Jaw Breaker

Monster trying to get its teeth into you? Here's an unusual solution; force the creature's jaws apart until they break.

Oddly, this is almost always portrayed as causing instantaneous death (in which case it's usually taken to be a "cooler" version of a Neck Snap), when it should leave them alive but in crotch-stompingly horrible pain.

For some reason, reptilian monsters are especially prone to this.

A nastier variant is to simply tear the jaw off altogether.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Kneecapping posted:

Knee-capping

The act of deliberately damaging someone's knees to incapacitate them or limit their mobility. This can be performed by shooting the victim's kneecaps, or by striking them with kicks, melee weapons, or other up close and personal means.

Since this is an extremely painful type of injury, knee-capping can be used as a brutal form of Mutilation Interrogation. This can kill two birds with one stone for the savvy torturer, as the permanently debilitating nature of the injury makes it much more difficult for the victim to escape. Tearing up all that muscle, those sinews and those complicated bones with a bullet would in Real Life probably leave you crippled for life, if you weren't killed by blood loss or shock.

Knee-capping can also be used as a tactic in combat to drastically hamper the mobility of an opponent. Needless to say, this type of fighting is a bit too dirty for most upstanding protagonists, so it is often reserved for villains, Anti Heroes, and Combat Pragmatists.

In real life, it is often not the kneecap itself that is the target of these attacks, as opposed to the joint and tissue beneath it. A piece of Common Knowledge is that kneecaps don't repair when broken/shattered. They do when treated properly, it just takes a very long time.

A sub-trope of Trying to Catch Me Fighting Dirty. Compare Agony of the Feet for other mobility hampering injuries, and An Arm and a Leg for occasions when the legs are lost completely.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LiteralAssKicking posted:

Literal rear end Kicking

For some reason, Slapstick comedy often seems to involve a character injuring their butt. Possibly it's just because it's humiliating, making this essentially the rear-oriented counterpart of the Groin Attack.

Especially common in cartoons, where this often takes the form of one character sticking a long pin into another character's behind, making them jump away, or straight up in the air, with a yell.

Another form of this old slapstick trope has someone sitting on something unexpectedly hot. Yet another is getting bitten on the backside, usually by a dog or some similar animal. Then, of course, there's the old "thumbtack on the chair" gag.

Related to rear end Shove, which happens when something goes into the butt, and Shot in the rear end, the specific case of, well, Exactly What It Says on the Tin.

Contrast rear end Kicks You. Kinky Spanking is the titillating variant. Comedic Spanking is a related concept.


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Tap on the Head

In fictionland, anyone caught unaware may be easily, instantaneously and noiselessly incapacitated with a single blow to the head (or alternatively, a karate chop to the neck). A character thus treated will usually be perfectly fine afterwards; at worst they may have a headache, dizziness, slightly blurred vision, or in the very worst cases, Laser-Guided Amnesia. The real danger to their health is not the aftereffects of head trauma, but the Bad Guys standing around the operating table (or other heavy piece of furniture) to which they've been tied down. In other words, being clobbered on the skull has no real lasting effects which could hinder our protagonists for the rest of the plot. (This is why In the Back does not apply — hitting someone from behind is not really dangerous.)

Needless to say this is not Truth in Television at all; the difference between a blow to the head that causes unconsciousness and one that causes death is fairly small, and also dependent on where the blow connects. A blow to the front of the skull might incapacitate, but could easily kill if it connected to the side (where the skull is thinner). The back of the skull is also thicker, but as well as being the most frequent target in fiction is also potentially the most dangerous to hit because that's where all the nervous system wiring is located. Also, unlike in fiction, there is no way to reliably render someone unconscious for any determinable amount of time (during which the victim can be carted around, tied up, dressed, undressed, etc.) Unconsciousness can last anywhere from a few seconds to hours to life (coma), and the longer you're out the more problems you're likely to have. Unconsciousness that lasts more than a minute usually indicates brain damage (concussion at least). And when the hero does come to, it's unlikely he'd be able to concoct some kind of escape plan from whatever predicament he finds himself in. Initially he'd be unlikely to remember his own name.

But in fiction, particularly in action genres, being knocked out is treated as nothing worse than a particularly hard nap. Heroes wantonly deliver painful and dangerous concussions to guardsmen, and friends knock each other out in disagreements, with little acknowledgement that brain cells are dying. In many role-playing games, knockout punches are actually treated as a form of nonlethal damage from which you recover quickly. Contemporary audiences are becoming increasingly canny about this, meaning the characters now typically use more elaborate, realistic, or permanent techniques for dealing with opponents.

The "karate chop to the neck" version may have been removed from modern TV because if you hit the right spot it actually can knock you out, though not without serious risk of death. It utilizes the Carotid Sinus Reflex (the reason you should not take a pulse at the neck) and is very dangerous.

Other variants of the trope:

In Western media, there's the punch to the jaw (AKA a "knockout punch"). Again, in reality this could inflict serious injury. In this case, not only to the victim, but the attacker (without hand protection) could very easily injure their hand; boxers and MMA fighters wear gloves not to protect their opponents' heads (which they don'tnote ), but to protect their own hands (which they do).
Common in anime is the "sharp shot to the solar plexus", often used to subdue a struggling person. It makes it fairly easy to pick up the now-unconscious person and sling them over one's shoulder for easy carrying. Its effects are just as exaggerated as the Western version; in real life, such a blow does not cause unconsciousness but does cause the muscles of the diaphragm to spasm uncontrollably, making any activity requiring air very difficult. It is safer than a blow to the throat or the back of the head, but can occasionally lead to dangerous organ or nerve damage and is thus best avoided.
Choke Holds, where an arm around the neck is used to cut off blood to the brain ("blood strangle/choke") or oxygen to the lungs (chokehold, stranglehold). Properly applied, this is a safer and more reliable way of causing someone to become unconscious (even allowed in judo competition for many decades), but carries a risk of stroke or other dangerous problems if used on an older victim or one with a weakened circulatory system. It also tends to wear off quickly (as in, after a couple of seconds), or alternatively when it doesn't, cause varying levels of brain damage.
Another variant is instant knockout caused by shattering either a vase or lamp over someone's head or even just on their back.

See also Back Stab, Choke Holds, We Need a Distraction, Stun Guns, Pressure Point, Instant Sedation and Blinded by the Light. Contrast Death by Falling Over. Often leads to Waking Up Elsewhere. Pistol-Whipping is a Sub-Trope.
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TearOffYourFace posted:

Tear Off Your Face

There are few sights more gruesome than that of a human face with all the skin removed. Something about the absence of eyelids, lips, and the nose combined with the rather bloody results makes this an extremely powerful image. Sometimes, a character will have their face completely destroyed, while other times, their face will be cut off and preserved. Bonus Points if the one who does the cutting ends up wearing the face for themselves. Note that simply damaging the face isn't enough - to qualify, the entire face must be removed, leaving only some combination of muscle, teeth, blood, bone, and (usually) eyes. In a more cartoony version, it's probable that only the skull will be left behind the face.

This is often the M.O. of the Face Stealer.

Subtrope of Facial Horror. Not to be confused with the end of a Scooby-Doo Hoax.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TongueTrauma posted:

Tongue Trauma

Refers to damage done to the tongue of any kind:

Someone's tongue getting burnt.
Someone biting their own tongue.
Someone biting someone else's tongue.
Someone tearing out someone else's tongue.
Someone's tongue getting cut off.
Someone's tongue getting stabbed.
Someone having a really nasty looking piercing on their tongue.
Someone eats their own tongue.
Someone eats someone else's tongue. Bonus points if they are force fed one.
Someone's tongue gets sliced with a knife.

Naturally with this trope, you may expect Nausea Fuel and/or Nightmare Fuel. Also a Sister Trope of Eye Scream, and Fingore. May dovetail with Overly-Long Tongue in many cases.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheToothHurts posted:

The Tooth Hurts

Just like with eyes, fingers, throats, toes and genitals, teeth are an extremely sensitive part of us that we can't bear to see get damaged, whether our own or other people's. Just like with fingers, we have so many of them, giving us so many ways to feel the pain (even worse if a Depraved Dentist is involved). However, someone may pull a tooth for a good reason, i.e., it gives them so much pain.

Keep in mind that this is about teeth getting hurt or removed in ways other than getting knocked out in a fight. There already exists a separate trope for that.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TeethFlying posted:

Teeth Flying

It's like this: Two men are fighting, Good Old Fisticuffs. Now things get dirty. Then, one of them makes an attack to the mouth and hits. Cue the other one spitting out one tooth (or several).

When Played for Laughs, this can take a humorous form: The guy who is hit will lose ALL his teeth - because they're dentures. Even if they were not hinted to be fake. Or if the work is in a setting where dentures weren't invented yet.

Subtrope of The Tooth Hurts.

Apple Tree
Sep 8, 2013
Advice to writers considering a dislocated shoulder for one of their characters... :eng101:

quote:

If you want to show someone as a total badass idiot, have them relocate permanently disable their own shoulder by slamming it into a wall, etc.

There, doesn't that look better?

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

Gone Phishing


Apple Tree posted:

Advice to writers considering a dislocated shoulder for one of their characters... :eng101:


There, doesn't that look better?

Hey! If they are lucky, they will only have permanent nerve damage.

Badass permanent nerve damage.

Penny Paper
Dec 31, 2012

Apple Tree posted:

Advice to writers considering a dislocated shoulder for one of their characters... :eng101:


There, doesn't that look better?

That could work if you're doing a comedy that makes fun of those kind of "badass" heroes, but Tropers wouldn't understand the sarcasm.

Apple Tree
Sep 8, 2013

Penny Paper posted:

That could work if you're doing a comedy that makes fun of those kind of "badass" heroes, but Tropers wouldn't understand the sarcasm.

Oh, I'm sure somebody would be jumping up to say 'DECONSTRUCTED!', if it was a comedy they actually watched. It just wouldn't convey to them the idea that a basic understanding of anatomy can be a useful thing when writing about injuries.

Ettin
Oct 2, 2010
I miss the Dominic Deegan threads. Let's see what TVTropes has to say about the comic!

Webcomic/DominicDeegan posted:

Animesque: Peculiarly, the art style mimics lazily drawn anime. This seems to be an artistic conceit rather than laziness on the part of this particular artist, since such tropes as the Cheeky Mouth are unnecessary in a static art form.
"This webcomic is poorly drawn and didn't get better over like a decade of strips. It works though, because tropes!"

YMMV/DominicDeegan posted:

Never Live It Down: Stonewater does have a character beyond "raped Melna once", and he didn't enter the situation willingly. To hear the Fan Dumb tell it, he's Doctor Light, only an orc.

Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Melna. Her past shows that she's a rape victim with a tragic history but her violent personality and constant acts of Disproportionate Retribution towards male characters has left considerable portions of the comic's audience calling for her blood. It doesn't help that the last character to be shown in this exactly light was Siggy, and unlike her he was frequently called out on his actions. Not to mention being turned into a demonic slave.

Headscratchers/DominicDeegan posted:

Melna hates anti-feminists so much that she is compelled to beat up women who express such viewpoints. This seems rather...counterproductive.

"The character created specifically because the author wanted to write a "sexy rapist"? Pfft, he's deeper than that you guys. :tvtropes:"

"The rape victim? loving FEMINAZI :byodood:"

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Ettin posted:

"The character created specifically because the author wanted to write a "sexy rapist"? Pfft, he's deeper than that you guys. :tvtropes:"

"The rape victim? loving FEMINAZI :byodood:"
Man, even GBS got tired of mocking Dominic Deegan. (It doesn't help that Mookie's new strip is just kind of incredibly mediocre.)

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Ettin posted:

Animesque: Peculiarly, the art style mimics lazily drawn anime. This seems to be an artistic conceit rather than laziness on the part of this particular artist, since such tropes as the Cheeky Mouth are unnecessary in a static art form.
Yes, because he had to go out of his way to maintain those tics. Laziness couldn't possibly cause him to cargo-cult the cheapest, most obviously imitable elements of a medium in lieu of actually learning to draw, and it definitely wasn't the reason that he never made the slightest change to his approach in eleven solid years of drawing.

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

I vaguely remember that story. Something about how one of the female characters was suffering from a curse or some horrible disease and the only cure was a raping? I only know about it from a friend at the time trying to justify it at great length.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Kaboom Dragoon posted:

I vaguely remember that story. Something about how one of the female characters was suffering from a curse or some horrible disease and the only cure was a raping? I only know about it from a friend at the time trying to justify it at great length.
No, he had to "claim" her as his wife by raping her or she would be executed. This element of orc culture is never mentioned before or since. :cry:They can't fake it either because the custom is enforced by, uh, orc hymen inspectors, as if the situation wasn't contrived or disgusting enough.:cry:

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
Agents of SHIELD.
An extremely mediocre show, but Josh Whedon! Basically every page is filled to the brim with tropes. I'm not going indepth into it as I'm behind and not looking for spoilers...(not that I'm sure if I would mind, the show is so boring I'm not even sure if I will keep watching)
The only thing I'm surprised over is the lack of Analysis page, but it's still early days. :)

Just a couple:

quote:

Ascended Fanon: One of the biggest cases ever. Coulson's death being undone in numerous fanfics and such spawned this entire TV show.
Yes, it was the idea of the fans that created the show. No way that this was planned.

quote:

What Could Have Been: Nicholas Brendon, a.k.a. Xander from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, was considered for the role of Mike Peterson. That would have been quite the Playing Against Type

Why is this a "what could have been?" Doesn't that imply that it would've been good? Playing against the type is either brilliant or a horrible disaster.


quote:

Dueling Shows: With Arrow, as both series fall under the long-standing DC Comics/Marvel Comics rivalry.
No. It's not even in Arrow's shadow yet.

Soulcleaver
Sep 25, 2007

Murderer

Kaboom Dragoon posted:

I vaguely remember that story. Something about how one of the female characters was suffering from a curse or some horrible disease and the only cure was a raping? I only know about it from a friend at the time trying to justify it at great length.


There are so many bafflingly bad elements to this comic that there's no wonder there were multiple threads dedicated to mocking it.

Apple Tree
Sep 8, 2013

Soulcleaver posted:



There are so many bafflingly bad elements to this comic that there's no wonder there were multiple threads dedicated to mocking it.

Do they mention that in the sixth panel, the guy's expression and body language are so badly done that his tusk-tooth-thing looks like he's sticking out his tongue in concentration while working on a school project?

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Oh man, I remember when this was first happening and Mookie posted as sketch of a young Melna with a post talking about how it was for a special upcoming story. Unbelievably creepy in retrospect. Reminds me of trying to read TV tropes after finding out what a cesspool it is.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

My favorite part comes after, when his victim and his female travel companion got hella mad at him for being a rapist, but it turned out it was a demon making them mad so then they apologized to him for being angry at rapists.

Hammurabi
Nov 4, 2009
:tvtropes:Pfft well of course I mean everyone knows that RapeIsLove.


:tvtropes:I mean god, can't you loving see? He had to rape her! He had no choice! She was just too much of a hysterical woman to understand. Really, he's the real victim here. And anyway that bitch deserved it for being a loving feminazi about it.

Venusian Weasel
Nov 18, 2011

Apple Tree posted:

Advice to writers considering a dislocated shoulder for one of their characters... :eng101:


There, doesn't that look better?

B...but it worked in Lethal Weapon! What do you mean it's fiction?! :qq:

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

Hammurabi posted:

:tvtropes:Pfft well of course I mean everyone knows that RapeIsLove.


:tvtropes:I mean god, can't you loving see? He had to rape her! He had no choice! She was just too much of a hysterical woman to understand. Really, he's the real victim here. And anyway that bitch deserved it for being a loving feminazi about it.

Mookie did not choose to write the story
the story chose to wrote to be by to Mookie


All stories are realities, it is the duty of every author to merely relay them to this earth we call "reality" as purely and unsubjectively as possible. Nothing is really fiction.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Sadly, the moderation is unlikely to be stupid enough to open this thread topic, but the OP is too beautiful not to be shared and preserved:

Bonsai Forest posted:

I'm making a newer, narrower topic to address this.

Lemme start with this. While there is a pushback against social change by so-called "alpha males", from what I read, there are many studies showing the following: they make bad husbands, they make bad fathers, they're more likely to cheat on their wives, more like to be abusive, and at the same time... women are very strongly attracted to them. However, I think their pushback is nothing more than the angry grasping of a group of people who can't handle inevitable change. What are they pushing back against? Changing gender roles mostly - misandry (which is a problem) as well, but basically the most vocal of them appear to be just showy thugs.

Society is changing in many ways, and I think "alpha" may be reduced in importance (I won't say "on the way out" because it will always exist and have a role to play - for instance, the military).

See, a couple things are happening. There are changing gender roles, and related to it, an increase in egalitarian marriage (current studies on it are mixed - there are those that work out fantastically, and there are those where the spouses have difficulty with knowing how to relate. Apparently, the current ideal is to have the woman make 40% of the income and the man do 40% of the housework). But another sea change is coming: the rise of understanding of bullying.

Major social changes will probably be more successful if big corporations not only accept, but embrace them, as the thing is, studies are coming out showing not only the harmful lifelong effects of bullying on the victim (and the bully), but also how bullying can reduce the efficiency of a workplace by causing both victims and bystanders to be more likely to put less effort into work, more likely to quit (if that option is viable), and more likely to try to sabotage or "get back at" the workplace. Naturally, any employer would want to avoid this. Simple solution: don't hire bullies. And what kinds of people are most likely to be bullies? Probably "alpha males" and "queen bees".

Evolutionarily, traits that today would be considered negative or downright wrong, such as tendency to commit rape or cheat on spouses (and therefore abandon their kids to live with a single parent) would have been traits that helped propogate the species. Now, we have birth control. If a woman knows that a man might be a good lay, but a bad husband, she just takes the pill and doesn't pass on his genes.

Anyway, there's a lot more I could say, but I'll stop here. Whta do you guys think? Any other thoughts you have would be appreciated.

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