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uranus posted:yeah i was not confident in my ability to live after poking into the center.
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Finally managed to beat a 3 kyū in Automatch. 33.5% mortality Xom fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Feb 17, 2014 |
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Feb 17, 2014 08:52
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Why do I feel that my game has gotton incredibly worse now that I've finished reading one book.
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Feb 17, 2014 12:37
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Read a book, lose two stones.
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Feb 17, 2014 17:27
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uranus posted:yeah i was not confident in my ability to live after poking into the center. i'm not going to be shy about this, I almost get an erection when I see the cut points in black's left hand side
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Feb 17, 2014 19:58
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Kheldragar posted:Why do I feel that my game has gotton incredibly worse now that I've finished reading one book. It's normal to have a downswing when you're trying to incorporate new concepts into your game. You're out of your comfort zone. You may also be trying to force those things to happen in spots that they shouldn't, like what you were doing with ko fights before.
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Feb 17, 2014 19:59
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xopods posted:It's normal to have a downswing when you're trying to incorporate new concepts into your game. You're out of your comfort zone. You may also be trying to force those things to happen in spots that they shouldn't, like what you were doing with ko fights before. After reading a book - "Oh, everything in there was easy to understand and made a lot of sense! Now go and try to apply them in your own games and I'm met dumbfounded. I wonder how badly I'm going to mess up the first few chapters of Attack and Defense later. Svartvit posted:i'm not going to be shy about this, I almost get an erection when I see the cut points in black's left hand side 
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Feb 17, 2014 21:57
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Who's up for a lecture tomorrow (Tuesday)?
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Feb 18, 2014 02:58
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im in! also about those cut points yeah now i see where i can take a huge chunk of his stones in the lower left. oh well, at least not seeing it didnt lose me the game this time haha.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:29
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I'll try to stick around for the entire thing this time. E: Do you have a topic? Can I suggest Attack and Defense since that's what I read yesterday and today I'm going to reread over the pages that I read? AdorableStar fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Feb 18, 2014 11:33
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Kheldragar posted:I'll try to stick around for the entire thing this time. The problem with attack and defense is that it's a hard thing to discuss in the abstract. You really need to be looking at specific positions. But maybe instead of going over one game from start to finish I can find a few different positions from games (some of mine, some professional) and we can investigate several possible lines.
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Feb 18, 2014 18:12
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Alright, I've got two good, fairly simple positions we can look at to talk about attack & defense and then three other backups if we get through those and want to look at something else
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Feb 19, 2014 00:06
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That's cool; in the A&D book I looked at the last 20 problems and I got about 17 or so of them right. (Which really isn't that good because they're all simple A or B choices rather than a blank "Pick any intersection" one) As a random aside, the paper in the book though, I don't think this has ever been mentioned, is smooth as gently caress. I have never felt paper that has felt so good before. One of the only complaints I have in the printing though are when black stones are marked with triangles. They're just hardly visible and, sometimes, not visible at all!
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Feb 19, 2014 00:16
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Are there any websites or resources on the Internet where I can type in the games I've played and their results so I can follow my progress? Cool generated graphs would be nice. Or do I have to use just Google Docs?Kheldragar posted:That's cool; in the A&D book I looked at the last 20 problems and I got about 17 or so of them right. What book is this? I'm interested in printed resources as well since I don't want to sit on the computer all the time.
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Feb 19, 2014 12:23
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Rurik posted:Are there any websites or resources on the Internet where I can type in the games I've played and their results so I can follow my progress? Cool generated graphs would be nice. Or do I have to use just Google Docs? http://shop.gogameguru.com/attack-and-defense/
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Feb 19, 2014 12:25
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Rurik posted:Are there any websites or resources on the Internet where I can type in the games I've played and their results so I can follow my progress? Cool generated graphs would be nice. Or do I have to use just Google Docs? If you play on kgs it records everything for you and makes a nice rank graph.
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Feb 19, 2014 12:39
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Rurik posted:Are there any websites or resources on the Internet where I can type in the games I've played and their results so I can follow my progress? Cool generated graphs would be nice. Or do I have to use just Google Docs? KGS has analytics: http://kgs.gosquares.net/ OGS is refactoring their code so that you can leverage the API, so expect to see some analytics in the future. I actually plan to make something myself that provides an analysis of your play style once this is ready. Otherwise I think you'll have to go through your game history.
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Feb 19, 2014 12:52
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Hmm, I'm not impressed by those screenshots. Here's what I did when my games were split across accounts in a way that made it hard to tell how I was doing:
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This is a pretty random question, but for those of you who are quite familiar with the game: I like the idea of Go, but as an amateur do you ever reach a point where you absolutely have to know your joseki? I ask because listening to interviews with pro players scares the heck out of me- most of them claim that memorizing ten to fifteen thousand joseki is the absolute minimum for an expert player.
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At low dan level joseki are a comedy of errors. I think you'll have to take a certain amount of pleasure in learning some joseki variations and punishment to progress in the game. A disaster in every corner adds up to a lost game, and even a properly played but poorly chosen variation in a single corner can decide the result of a match. There is an incredibly large gap between an expert player and a beginner, and at any given level of ability a bit of extra joseki knowledge can help you progress further, but is not strictly necessary. New joseki are developed by professional players all the time, and the judgement of what constitutes joseki and what does not changes through the years as well. If you can read well enough to get equal or better results than your opponents (whatever strength they may be) in corner situations, then you don't need to know any joseki at all. If your opponents know many joseki well and you have to read every move as if it were new, you'll probably find yourself at a disadvantage.
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Feb 19, 2014 16:49
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The only joseki I know are just three of them for a 3-3 invasion (Standard 3-3, one after your opponet jumps into your corner after a onne space low pincer, and another one I forgot the name of where you [the invader] have a string of two stones horizontally, and a one space jump to two stones that descend from the third to the second line [I can't describe it better]), one of them for attaching when someone approaches your 3-4 high, magic sword, taisha, and avalanche. I only use four of them and give few fucks about joseki otherwise. Also nice cloud/dragon avatar. AdorableStar fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 19, 2014 |
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Feb 19, 2014 17:57
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Thanks, that helps a lot  And weirdly enough, it's actually one 84-stroke kanji- it literally means "the appearance of a dragon in flight"
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The joseki I know are the ones that are played often so I picked them up. That's basically the 4-4 kicking joseki, the normal 3-4 approach high attachment joseki, the standard calm 4-4 joseki and the 3-3 invasion after pincer joseki. I pick them up simply by seeing other play them so that's one way of learning.
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Svartvit posted:The joseki I know are the ones that are played often so I picked them up. That's basically the 4-4 kicking joseki, the normal 3-4 approach high attachment joseki, the standard calm 4-4 joseki and the 3-3 invasion after pincer joseki. I pick them up simply by seeing other play them so that's one way of learning. The 4-4 kick and descent so you don't get hane'd is joseki!?  Oh, and I played against a guy who had been playing for 3 weeks and thought he was a lot better than most are at 3 weeks. http://online-go.com/game/505194 Omi no Kami posted:Thanks, that helps a lot And yet you're writing the same two characters x3  Simple unless you want to get it into a certain, small area.
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Kheldragar posted:And yet you're writing the same two characters x3 When I first started learning kanji the days of the week were one of the things we covered on the first day. My teacher took a break on thursday to explain how by learning 木 you actually now knew three kanji, namely 木, 林, and 森. It didn't quite blow my mind but the efficiency impressed me, especially since it meant I only needed to learn 2,133 kanji, not 2136. XD
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Kheldragar posted:The 4-4 kick and descent so you don't get hane'd is joseki!? http://www.josekipedia.com/#path:pdqfqepfre
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tonberrytoby posted:You mean this one? Up to move four, yes.
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Is there anything like a "common core" of joseki that everyone learns in sequence, or is it largely a matter of learning what suits your style from experience? (unrelated: josekipedia is a *great* site, thank you for linking it!)
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What rank are you? I got to 4-5k without ever really paying attention to joseki.
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I'm pretty rubbish- haven't played in years, but I think I was 25 or 26kyu last time I was doing it regularly.
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Omi no Kami posted:I'm pretty rubbish- haven't played in years, but I think I was 25 or 26kyu last time I was doing it regularly. Play ten games, get to 20k.
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Yeah it's a very western thing to get hung up on joseki, an idea which comes from the Japanese, who are themselves kind of hung up on it. If you go on Tygem you will see the koreans play the same ten sequences over and over - they just do not give a poo poo. Being able to read is much more important than knowing a set sequence, because even if you memorized a joseki and your opponent 'fucks up,' you won't have the skill to punish them, provided you even know what the punishment is. Sometimes the 'punishment' is too hard for someone lower than 4-5d to administer, and sometimes the 'punishment' is a minor disadvantage in the local context. If you took all the time you were going to spend on joseki and spend it on life and death, you'd be better off in the end.
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Under 15 posted:Yeah it's a very western thing to get hung up on joseki, an idea which comes from the Japanese, who are themselves kind of hung up on it. If you go on Tygem you will see the koreans play the same ten sequences over and over - they just do not give a poo poo. 
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A month or so ago I watched a successful twitch broadcaster stream a Go lesson that he had with an experienced player(grandmaster if that is a thing). I've always been interested in Go but it wasn't until then that I saw the complexity of the game and started to think about the creative strategies, and how mentally exhausting a high level game of Go can be. As soon as I find more time in my schedule I plan to use thing thread to help me learn the game and get started, thanks for all your nerdy boardgame efforts.
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http://tinyurl.com/xomsguide
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Feb 20, 2014 01:23
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Game's about even, but then I realise his top right corner can be killed and do so. He tries some bullshit invasion as soon as he realises this and that he's behind that works because we're all on 20 second overtime. I still feel like I won.  
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Uncle Jam posted:What rank are you? I got to 4-5k without ever really paying attention to joseki. However, I do feel that approaching shodan, knowing joseki is helpful, the way knowing basic reactions is helpful for beginners, and knowing shape is helpful for DDKs. It's an extension of all that, and the more joseki and variations you know, the grander your overall strategy and play can be. Rather than worry about each move in isolation, you go deeper. But until then, I'd say a handful of basic invasion joseki are enough.
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Put simply, Go is so combinatorially complex that you can't rely on memorizing a whole bunch of sequences as a strategy for winning games. This is a good thing. It is a game that requires you to do two things: * Concentrate and read the possibilities * Rely on your instinct and intuition if you are uncertain Note that there's nothing there about memory recall. You simply play games, and playing games unconsciously sharpens your ability to read sequences and judge positions. Eventually, you'll want to start reading books and doing problem sets more seriously, but again there's nothing here about remembering heaps of info. It's about absorbing the principles. You can start worrying about memorization when you're 1d+ and if you've made it that far, trust me, you'll be the kind of person to enjoy it anyway.
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Dear everyone, We have an SA group ladder going on OGS http://online-go.com/ladder/180/-/SA%2019x19%20Ladder When you sign up, you can challenge other ladder members to a correspondence game. Let's see who is the strongest. o.m. 94 fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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All right, I applied to join the group. I put a no-ranked "anyone can join" game on OGS just now and got an actual 30k player; he had to go near the end, and I think I tried to barely explain to him "corners-sides-centre", "third and fourth line moves", "Do not attach to everything", "Attaching != attacking", "Attack from a distance" all at once. I'm not sure anything but the first was effective.  e: Provisional players cannot join ladders. gently caress you! 
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