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Some Numbers posted:That P2 Island is pretty cool, I've never seen it before. I may be biased because it's the set I was first introduced to magic with but I firmly believe that P2 has some of the best classic art despite peoples opinions of the set as a whole. I try to work my old portal lands into every deck I build. On the subject of vanity/aesthetics in cards I'm also a firm believer in cards you've owned over cards you've bought. They may be over-represented but I love my singular unhinged mountain because it is quite literally the singular mountain I opened out of the single pack of unhinged pack I opened back in the day and buying more almost feels like it'd sully or devalue the one I have aesthetically. Typhus733 fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Feb 19, 2014 |
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Count Bleck posted:I eagerly await Compleated zombie Venser. Actually apparently according to the lore they just left Venser's body with the Phyrexians because ???? So yes Karn is a dumbass. It seems like it's a pretty obvious plot hook to give them an excuse for how Phyrexians are getting places.
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Feb 19, 2014 20:59
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Count Bleck posted:I eagerly await Compleated zombie Venser. Maybe Karn and Nissa will form the ultimate dumbass tag team and try to put the Phyrexians and Eldrazi against each other. What could go wrong?
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Feb 19, 2014 21:01
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Bosushi! posted:Maybe Karn and Nissa will form the ultimate dumbass tag team and try to put the Phyrexians and Eldrazi against each other. What could go wrong? Phyrexian mana costed Eldrazi!
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Feb 19, 2014 21:03
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ScarletBrother posted:Phyrexian mana costed Eldrazi! Emrakul, Father of Machines
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Feb 19, 2014 21:04
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Bosushi! posted:Maybe Karn and Nissa will form the ultimate dumbass tag team and try to put the Phyrexians and Eldrazi against each other. What could go wrong? I'm so pumped for a 30 mana EMRAKUL, THE ELESH NORN
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Feb 19, 2014 21:05
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APAC and EURO lands are the best because they are real places I have (mostly, 26/30) been to. They are beautiful but should only be used by the people who have actually been to those places. Otherwise it turns into disappointment when you're hoping to share cool stories about skiing and breaking your leg at Chamonix-Mont Blanc and just getting "oh I just like the art.  "But, it's not as amusing as people who exclusively get ~cool~ foreign cards but don't know how to read them. Yes that's cool you have a foiled out Japanese legacy deck and it certainly overcomes the fact that you have to consult a judge about the specific wording of a card because you're illiterate.  Now if only Deutsch cards were easier to get.e: whoah, should've refreshed first Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Feb 19, 2014 |
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Feb 19, 2014 21:05
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I want a planeswalker that's the scion/avatar of Kozilek, is that cool with everyone? All +1: Target creature gains Annihlator 2.
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Feb 19, 2014 21:06
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I have German and Chinese cards but I know exactly what Steel Overseer and Cranial Plating (and Ajani Vengeant and Knight of the Reliquary) do so it's not a problem 
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Feb 19, 2014 21:07
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theironjef posted:I want a planeswalker that's the scion/avatar of Kozilek, is that cool with everyone? All +1: Target creature gains Annihlator 2. That would be cool, an Eldrazi planeswalker with an ability for each big Eldrazi.
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Feb 19, 2014 21:08
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Isn't the whole thing with the Phyrexians that they can't Planeswalk, 'cause if they could they would have taken over the whole multiverse by now?
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Feb 19, 2014 21:09
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Entropic posted:Isn't the whole thing with the Phyrexians that they can't Planeswalk, 'cause if they could they would have taken over the whole multiverse by now? They couldn't planeswalk as Yawgmoth didn't have the spark. I mean he was more powerful than the old walkers, but he himself lacked the ability to walk. However, if they get their hands on venser, who on top of being a planeswalker was a teleporty mage, its pretty obvious the things they'd be able to do.
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Feb 19, 2014 21:11
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There is nothing inherently impossible about a Phyrexian becoming a planeswalker(Xancha's heartstone lead to Karn being able to 'walk), but there never has been one. So they've had to use planar portals. Whether that tech has been passed on through the oil is an open question.
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Feb 19, 2014 21:12
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jassi007 posted:Its time for best non-full art basics! Personally I love this Plains art, and it does have a full art option as well. 
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Feb 19, 2014 21:13
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Alaan posted:There is nothing inherently impossible about a Phyrexian becoming a planeswalker Phyrexians explicitly can't hold a planeswalker spark.
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Feb 19, 2014 21:14
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Basic land chat! As for mountains, I was always really fond of the pointy-as-gently caress ones from Tempest, especially this: As for forests, the Urza's Saga ones are some of the prettiest non-promo basics they've ever printed:   Chippy's Esper swamp from Shards of Alara is pretty awesome, too: 
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tzirean posted:Phyrexians explicitly can't hold a planeswalker spark. Karn was built with the heart of a phyrexian and has had two different sparks. It is semantics to say he is not, or was not, a phyrexian. He literally infected Mirrodin from his own heart.
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Feb 19, 2014 21:15
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jassi007 posted:Karn was built with the heart of a phyrexian and has had two different sparks. It is semantics to say he is not, or was not, a phyrexian. He literally infected Mirrodin from his own heart. Isn't Karn's first spark still the spark of Glacian (which was in the Weakstone and Mightstone and also the spark of Urza Planeswalker)? Also Glissa becoming compleated is really sad :/. It's too bad Memnarch was a jerk and tried to take her spark but then Slobad had to use it and then Slobad died. Shut up I don't follow mtg lore that much okay.
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Feb 19, 2014 21:20
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Zoness posted:Isn't Karn's first spark still the spark of Glacian (which was in the Weakstone and Mightstone and also the spark of Urza Planeswalker)? Yeah, Karn's spark came from the Weakstone and Mightstone, Karn has the same spark as Urza did, as Urza also didn't naturally have the spark.
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Feb 19, 2014 21:21
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Typhus733 posted:On the subject of vanity/aesthetics in cards I'm also a firm believer in cards you've owned over cards you've bought. They may be over-represented but I love my singular unhinged mountain because it is quite literally the singular mountain I opened out of the single pack of unhinged pack I opened back in the day and buying more almost feels like it'd sully or devalue the one I have aesthetically. I don't mean to be pedantic, but I'm having trouble seeing the difference. Didn't you buy the pack that contained that Unhinged Mountain? I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not comprehending why "owning" is different from "buying," since you basically have to buy in order to own. Right?
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Some Numbers posted:I don't mean to be pedantic, but I'm having trouble seeing the difference. Didn't you buy the pack that contained that Unhinged Mountain? Yeah, if by 'owning' he means 'opened in a booster pack', then I own zero of my cards.
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Feb 19, 2014 21:27
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I might own a handful of cards I got in a draft a while back, but the vast majority of my collection - including my basics - have been acquired through purchasing, donation or draft-remains scavenging. I guess I don't own any Magic cards. 
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Feb 19, 2014 21:29
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I won't lie there is some value to me in cards I myself opened from boosters but I'm also a sentimental bastard. The Jace I opened up in a WWK pack is the singleton Jace left in my Deathblade deck and the Foil MMA Sword of Fire and Ice I opened makes it really hard to cut SOFI from Deathblade.
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Some Numbers posted:I don't mean to be pedantic, but I'm having trouble seeing the difference. Didn't you buy the pack that contained that Unhinged Mountain? Richard Garfield believed people would buy a starter and about about $20 of boosters and thats how everyone would play magic more or less, as a one time $30 investment and maybe con them into buying a few boosters of an expansion later. So I'm pretty sure he is someone who hews pretty hard to that vision. You play with the cards you crack open and make the best decks you can within your playgroup.
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jassi007 posted:Richard Garfield believed people would buy a starter and about about $20 of boosters and thats how everyone would play magic more or less, as a one time $30 investment and maybe con them into buying a few boosters of an expansion later. So I'm pretty sure he is someone who hews pretty hard to that vision. You play with the cards you crack open and make the best decks you can within your playgroup. I don't think I need to explain how wrong he ended up being...
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Zoness posted:Isn't Karn's first spark still the spark of Glacian (which was in the Weakstone and Mightstone and also the spark of Urza Planeswalker)? Yeah. My point is basically karn was a robot built with the same heart/soul piece that phyrexians are made with, then he got a spark. He was more or less a sleeper phyrexian agent from day 1, and he got a spark. His glistening oil leaked out here and there, the Mirrari was an infected space probe basically, then he built that into memnarch who did all sorts of lovely things on Argentum/Mirrodin, he boiled him down to the Mirrari again, then post Time Spiral Karn realized he was corrupt, start planeswalking away but stupidly went back to Mirrodin which basically spelled its doom.
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jassi007 posted:Yeah. My point is basically karn was a robot built with the same heart/soul piece that phyrexians are made with, then he got a spark. He was more or less a sleeper phyrexian agent from day 1, and he got a spark. His glistening oil leaked out here and there, the Mirrari was an infected space probe basically, then he built that into memnarch who did all sorts of lovely things on Argentum/Mirrodin, he boiled him down to the Mirrari again, then post Time Spiral Karn realized he was corrupt, start planeswalking away but stupidly went back to Mirrodin which basically spelled its doom. Magic lore is so loving convoluted.
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ScarletBrother posted:Phyrexian mana costed Eldrazi! It'd be awesome (and probably also terrible) to have Phyrexian Eldrazi mana where you have big colorless Eldrazi for which you can pay 2 life per 1 colorless mana for any amount of their mana cost. Potentially cast huge legends starting from turn 1 as long as you can somehow pony up the >20 life required. Yes, I realize this would make EDH poo poo bricks 
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jassi007 posted:Richard Garfield believed people would buy a starter and about about $20 of boosters and thats how everyone would play magic more or less, as a one time $30 investment and maybe con them into buying a few boosters of an expansion later. So I'm pretty sure he is someone who hews pretty hard to that vision. You play with the cards you crack open and make the best decks you can within your playgroup. And that's fine as a vision of an untested game back in 1993. You know, before the internet. 20 years later, Magic is a completely different animal. Kitchen table players obviously still exist and in much bigger quantities than any of us can fathom and those players probably do exactly what Garfield intended. If that's what Typhus meant, the idea that someone else's collection is somehow purer and superior to mine because it's not sullied by multiple copies of the same card that I bought at a shop...that's just a bizarre concept to me.
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JerryLee posted:It'd be awesome (and probably also terrible) to have Phyrexian Eldrazi mana where you have big colorless Eldrazi for which you can pay 2 life per 1 colorless mana for any amount of their mana cost. Potentially cast huge legends starting from turn 1 as long as you can somehow pony up the >20 life required. As long as it didn't have protection from all colors it'd be ok. 10 or 15 phyrexian mana 10/10 or 15/15, sure fine take 20 or 30. path it, chainers edict, etc.
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ScarletBrother posted:Magic lore is so loving convoluted. And if there ever is a movie, none of that lore will show up in it, and five or six nerds are gonna be sooooo mad.
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Entropic posted:And if there ever is a movie, none of that lore will show up in it, and five or six nerds are gonna be sooooo mad. There might be a few easter eggs, like the Mirari showing up on someone's bookshelf, but yeah you're totally right.
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Entropic posted:And if there ever is a movie, none of that lore will show up in it, and five or six nerds are gonna be sooooo mad. It will be me. I will be the nerd who is mad.
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Some Numbers posted:And that's fine as a vision of an untested game back in 1993. You know, before the internet. 20 years later, Magic is a completely different animal. Kitchen table players obviously still exist and in much bigger quantities than any of us can fathom and those players probably do exactly what Garfield intended. Me too but that is how those casual people that make up the majority of the people who buy magic, thats them. Its just like a unicorn wandered into our meadow, thats why it seems weird. Most people who play like that never interact with any magic community at all, FNM or forums and so on because those tend to be more serious or competitively minded.
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jassi007 posted:Yeah. My point is basically karn was a robot built with the same heart/soul piece that phyrexians are made with, then he got a spark. He was more or less a sleeper phyrexian agent from day 1, and he got a spark. His glistening oil leaked out here and there, the Mirrari was an infected space probe basically, then he built that into memnarch who did all sorts of lovely things on Argentum/Mirrodin, he boiled him down to the Mirrari again, then post Time Spiral Karn realized he was corrupt, start planeswalking away but stupidly went back to Mirrodin which basically spelled its doom. The Phyrexian population is also wildly divergent from the originals. Instead of just churning programmed fantasy androids out of goo vats, a lot of their population is corrupted Mirrans.
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Think of every collectible/board/card game that follows that model that didn't become your favorite hobby a la Magic. Your buying habits probably resemble what Richard had intended. He didn't expect that people wouldn't just like Magic, they'd loving love it with the kind of intensity only autist manchildren can have towards consumer goods.
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Some Numbers posted:If that's what Typhus meant, the idea that someone else's collection is somehow purer and superior to mine because it's not sullied by multiple copies of the same card that I bought at a shop...that's just a bizarre concept to me. Pretty sure he wasn't saying his cards were superior. I get exactly what he is saying. There are some cards I have that I've owned as long as I can remember and thus are special to me. That 6th ed vampiric tutor I opened from a booster when I was 15 means more to me than one that I may have bought on Ebay. It doesn't seem bizarre to me at all.
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Alaan posted:The Phyrexian population is also wildly divergent from the originals. Instead of just churning programmed fantasy androids out of goo vats, a lot of their population is corrupted Mirrans. Corrupted is the term used by Mirran propagandists. We prefer the term compleated. Would you like to undergo compleation?
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The thing I like most about the Magic lore is that I can completely ignore it and still play the game since it has no actual gameplay impact.
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LeafHouse posted:Pretty sure he wasn't saying his cards were superior. I get exactly what he is saying. There are some cards I have that I've owned as long as I can remember and thus are special to me. That 6th ed vampiric tutor I opened from a booster when I was 15 means more to me than one that I may have bought on Ebay. It doesn't seem bizarre to me at all. This is such a weird mindset for me to see. I mean, Im sure I'm a minority here, but there aren't any particular cards that I have an emotional connection to, yeah I mean some are cool,and I don't want to lose them because they would be expensive to replace but it's like getting emotionally connected to a scrabble tile.
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