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It's not really fair to compare him with Amell, The Dude Who is the Coolest Dude with His Fans Ever.
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Dexo posted:I'm going out on a limb and making the assumption that Agents of Shield is kicking Arrow's rear end in ratings The CW has a much smaller market share than NBC. So, yes. The thing we're comparing isn't how many people are watching. We're wanting to know what the viewers are thinking. If S.H.I.E.L.D. is frustrating viewers, that's bad, even if they have a million more viewers than Arrow, because if Arrow is satisfying its viewers, it is likely that they keep watching, and draw in more viewers. As it stands, I have no intention of even starting to watch AoS. I already have one really good superhero show to watch, and the other is apparently middling at best. Meanwhile, Arrow keeps delivering what I want to watch. Arrow would get canceled on NBC if it was pulling CW numbers. On the CW, it's a goose laying nine pound golden eggs.
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Feb 19, 2014 23:38
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Ollie Rules. Coulson drools.
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Feb 19, 2014 23:42
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VDay posted:http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/entertainment2/57462732-223/episodes-sltrib-fans-gregg.html.csp It's not even a retraction. It's in the same article even. AoS is at best a mediocre show on an uptick as it gets more serial but the Salt Lake Tribune is definitely playing a selective editing game to make the comment seem worse. "Her...sweet...sweet...can".
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Feb 19, 2014 23:44
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Warmachine posted:The CW has a much smaller market share than NBC. So, yes. The thing we're comparing isn't how many people are watching. We're wanting to know what the viewers are thinking. If S.H.I.E.L.D. is frustrating viewers, that's bad, even if they have a million more viewers than Arrow, because if Arrow is satisfying its viewers, it is likely that they keep watching, and draw in more viewers. As it stands, I have no intention of even starting to watch AoS. I already have one really good superhero show to watch, and the other is apparently middling at best. Meanwhile, Arrow keeps delivering what I want to watch. Dude, don't you mean ABC? ABC, the actual network that Agents of SHIELD is airing on?
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Feb 20, 2014 01:20
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Just to put things in perspective, the average shoot for a single episode of TV runs about 7-9 days (with weekend breaks built in of course) with cast and crew working 10-12 hours a day. And for effects-heavy genre shows, the time commitment and the physical demands, stuntmen or no, are going to be on the higher end. If you're one of the stars of the show, that's your LIFE for six months. Your personal life outside of your fellow cast, your writers, select crew, and -- if you're lucky and clever -- your family is non-existent. And you do this because you're all committed to a cause. And when that cause comes under attack by a fanbase that, let's be real, is often characterized as a bunch of loving mouth-breathers for understandable reasons, linking arms is not an irrational response. I'm not saying that Gregg's statement wasn't lovely. It'd be great if he had Stephen Amell's humble charm, and it'd be great if he could shrug off such questions with "Well, poo poo, Bobby, I'm just grateful for the fans we have." But part of the reason why Amell has that charm is because the base is on loving fire for this show and that allows anyone's better natures to come out. What Gregg demonstrated with his statement was a different kind of loyalty; not PR-friendly, but respectable in its own way. And not for nothing, but this has less to do with Arrow and more to do with "scoring points off the more hyped show to prop up Arrow," which (as Amell himself pointed out!) is disrespectful in its own way. And I say that as someone who jumped off the SHIELD train midseason.
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Feb 20, 2014 01:57
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I'd be pissed if I was 12+ episodes deep in a show that still isn't going anywhere, too. He can't say anything bad about the show runners so he's just venting. AoS is Bad and is damaging the reputation of the actor and the franchise, so his frustration is very understandable. Obviously it's a lovely thing to say about the fans, but it's pretty clear that his real frustration is that the show isn't going anywhere, not that the fans aren't patient.
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Feb 20, 2014 02:03
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Taffer posted:I'd be pissed if I was 12+ episodes deep in a show that still isn't going anywhere, too. He can't say anything bad about the show runners so he's just venting. AoS is Bad and is damaging the reputation of the actor and the franchise, so his frustration is very understandable. Obviously it's a lovely thing to say about the fans, but it's pretty clear that his real frustration is that the show isn't going anywhere, not that the fans aren't patient. I haven't seen this interview or whatever, but if my entire career was pretty much defined by an ongoing bit role in the Marvel movies, and then the lead in a show that can't seem to figure out what it wants to be, I could see being a little (a lot) frustrated and worried about my future career.
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He probably knows Coulson's big secret too. I imagine that can only add to the frustration if it's something cool and not super disappointing.Taffer posted:I'd be pissed if I was 12+ episodes deep in a show that still isn't going anywhere, too. He can't say anything bad about the show runners so he's just venting. AoS is Bad and is damaging the reputation of the actor and the franchise, so his frustration is very understandable. Obviously it's a lovely thing to say about the fans, but it's pretty clear that his real frustration is that the show isn't going anywhere, not that the fans aren't patient. He was in The New Adventures of Old Christine, he's used to it.
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Gregg will probably continue to find steady character actor work if and when they stop giving him opportunities to play Coulson. Still, I'm sure the Whedons and Jeph Loeb and whoever else sold him on AoS being a long-term tentpole show for ABC, so it's got to be frustrating to see the dwindling ratings.
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Feb 20, 2014 02:49
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Aphrodite posted:He was in The New Adventures of Old Christine, he's used to it. I only saw a few episodes but that made me interested on the dude, he seemed like a chill dude.
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Feb 20, 2014 02:50
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Man_at_desk posted:I want to enjoy laurel. However her abysmal acting and Dorito shaped head makes me wish for her death, in an emotional yet plot advancing season finale. I want the show runners to be reading this thread, and decide to start trolling us by making Laurel constantly munch on Doritos in every scene.
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Feb 20, 2014 04:12
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But wouldn't that actually end up fixing the problem
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Zypher posted:http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/entertainment2/57462732-223/episodes-sltrib-fans-gregg.html.csp Yeah, gently caress Clark Gregg. Not our fault you're attached to a terrible show. Just goes to show that the Whedon bloodline isn't perfect.
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Feb 20, 2014 04:31
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BrianWilly posted:But wouldn't that actually end up fixing the problem They'd use Prop Doritos: No calories!
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Feb 20, 2014 04:38
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tuluk posted:Dude, don't you mean ABC? I'm a streamer. Like I know about these things called 'networks.' But yes, that. I apparently confused it with Revolution.
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Feb 20, 2014 05:15
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I only saw a few episodes but that made me interested on the dude, he seemed like a chill dude. He is a bit of a cuddler
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Feb 20, 2014 05:22
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I am not sure what a lot of people seem to expect from Agents of SHIELD. I'm perfectly fine with it not being super connected to the movies (Arrow is free of such weird expectations), I just would like it to be better television. Like Arrow! (note: I haven't watched AoS since the mid-season break)
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Feb 20, 2014 06:24
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I kinda want Ming-Na Wen to jump ship and come be on Arrow and play Lady Shiva. It'll never happen as her current job is probably better for her career but I could watch her glare hatefully for days 
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VagueRant posted:I am not sure what a lot of people seem to expect from Agents of SHIELD. I'm perfectly fine with it not being super connected to the movies (Arrow is free of such weird expectations), I just would like it to be better television. Like Arrow! The gently caress? Arrow wasn't conceived, casted, written, and marketed specifically as a tie in to an existing movie franchise. Expecting AoS to be connected to the movies is a weird expectation in the same way that it's "weird" to expect ice cream to contain dairy.
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Feb 20, 2014 07:22
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SHIELD already has one terrible thread, let's not give it two.
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Feb 20, 2014 07:25
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Hey, we gotta do something during these weeks of famine
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Feb 20, 2014 07:49
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Taffer posted:Hey, we gotta do something during these weeks of famine There's a woman made entirely of Doritos to feed that famine.
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Feb 20, 2014 07:55
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Drifter posted:There's a woman made entirely of Doritos to feed that famine. No, that's way worse than SHIELD chat.
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Feb 20, 2014 07:57
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Deadpool posted:No, that's way worse than SHIELD chat. It's clear where this thread devolves when there's no show. 
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Feb 20, 2014 08:12
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Drifter posted:It's clear where this thread devolves when there's no show. It's a thread full of comic book nerds, what did you expect? At least there are fewer reasons to complain about this show.
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Feb 20, 2014 08:26
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DivisionPost posted:At least there are fewer reasons to complain about this show. It's a good show.
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Feb 20, 2014 08:38
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Drifter posted:It's clear where this thread devolves when there's no show. We could always go back to Moira Queen's chilli chat.
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The Lord Bude posted:We could always go back to Moira Queen's chilli chat. I hope they kill her off because her character is pretty worthless now. I still can't believe she is running for mayor. Unless that is just the set up to have Blood or Slade kill her.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I hope they kill her off because her character is pretty worthless now. I still can't believe she is running for mayor. Unless that is just the set up to have Blood or Slade kill her. Yeah, a morally ambiguous maternal figure who will probably end up in a seat of power who also isn't on anybody's side except the one that defends her family is worthless. Can't think of any way that could be interesting later on.
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Bad Moon posted:Yeah, a morally ambiguous maternal figure who will probably end up in a seat of power who also isn't on anybody's side except the one that defends her family is worthless. Can't think of any way that could be interesting later on. Speaking of parents, they should bring back Barrowman so he can hang out with Thea. Doing stuff. Assassin stuff? who knows. And still kill off Moira 
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Bad Moon posted:Yeah, a morally ambiguous maternal figure who will probably end up in a seat of power who also isn't on anybody's side except the one that defends her family is worthless. Can't think of any way that could be interesting later on. Yeah, I actually like Moira because she isn't so cut and dry. She is absolutely a villain, but she's also a person - it's easy to understand her reasoning on a lot of her decisions even if you don't absolutely agree with them. It's nice to have a superhero show where everybody isn't a cackling supervillian, it helps to draw a contrast between those who are and aren't and gives variety.
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Dexo posted:I'm going out on a limb and making the assumption that Agents of Shield is kicking Arrow's rear end in ratings CW is the red-headed step child of network TV. It pretty much only exists between 8-10 PM on weekdays, and is a local affiliate rerun channel the rest of the time. A surprising number of people believe its a cable channel and not an over the air network. The CW is pretty much off the radar for most households in the country, and the only thing the average person could tell you about it is that its the Gossip Girl channel. Game of Thrones could air on the CW and it would probably only get 1/3rd the ratings of whatever is airing on CBS/ABC at the time.
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Also, Arrow's budget is hilariously small in comparison to your average network drama. It's even more comically tiny when comparison to Agents of SHIELD, which supposedly is ABC's most expensive show. Which baffles me, because SHIELD looks like a subpar mid90s show at points - the special effects team is either asleep at the wheel, incompetent, or flat out doesn't care - or all three.
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SHIELD looks like it has half of Firefly's budget. That show just looks like poo poo.
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Feb 20, 2014 18:51
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Feb 20, 2014 18:52
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Knock off the SHIELD chat. Take it to that thread.
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So Ollie is never shown with a penchant for computers and relies on Felicity for everything computer. But where did he get a wifi hacking arrow in the pilot then?
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greatn posted:So Ollie is never shown with a penchant for computers and relies on Felicity for everything computer. But where did he get a wifi hacking arrow in the pilot then? Radio Shack.
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Deadpool posted:Knock off the SHIELD chat. Take it to that thread. This hiatus is KILLING us.
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