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high six posted:So, I want to try making cloaks/robes for my new Guardians of the Covenant out of green stuff. http://www.amazon.com/Green-Stuff-Yellow-Epoxy-Putty/dp/B002MB61RQ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1393001942&sr=8-4&keywords=green+stuff
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high six posted:So, I want to try making cloaks/robes for my new Guardians of the Covenant out of green stuff. I am very interested in the answer to this question. I spent the last week searching every craft store and hobby store in my area for the stuff and ended up having to fork over to the one hobby store that even carried green stuff.
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Feb 21, 2014 18:02
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xtothez posted:Crushing claws are still pretty terrible. Fexes can get the +1 strength by taking Adrenal Glands, which are cheaper and give you Fleet too. Armourbane isn't really necessary when you're putting out that many S9/S10 attacks. I think you're underselling armor bane. It's not necessary on the fexes, but it changes them from being likely to get pens to being almost guaranteed to get pens, and it's a huge boost to the weaker models that can get them. +2S would be a bigger waste; then your fexes would pay for a point of S they don't even get. AP1 would be a nice buff, but it would be a minor one, and it would be uncharacteristic of Nids.
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Feb 21, 2014 18:05
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PantsOptional posted:I am very interested in the answer to this question. I spent the last week searching every craft store and hobby store in my area for the stuff and ended up having to fork over to the one hobby store that even carried green stuff. Hardware and plumbing supply stores carry cheaper equivalents to greenstuff, it's just not called that there - Kneadatite is the proper name, miliput is a cheaper alternative recommended to me (I need something cheap for my basius pads soon)
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Feb 21, 2014 18:06
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SRM posted:A case can be made for smaller, more elite armies like Marines, but I know I'd never buy another box of Cadians if I could just get a horde of them that build faster and cost less. I'd probably buy a regular box if I wanted to make veterans at least. But if I was going for a simple infantry wave army and was given that option that also gave me at least one special weapon I'd probably not look back on normal boxes.
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Feb 21, 2014 18:07
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I've been very slowly building and painting an Ultramarine army over the past few months and wondering if Tigurius is as potent as people said he was when the codex first came out. I am running a fast moving force that looks like this: Chapter Master on a bike 2 squads of Bikers CC Terminators that DS off a beacon StormTalon 3 Dev Centurions Tigurius? The Centurions are slow, but that idea was to put Tigurius in with them, keep Forewarning up on them, and walk up the field. Tigurius brings almost any power you want, plus I can somewhat control when my reserves come on. It's a slow build process I am doing since I pretty much want everything painted before I buy something new. I'll probably add more bikes, a Thunderfire Cannon, and maybe another Stormtalon eventually; curious though how this looks since I rarely play Marines or ever see them.
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Feb 21, 2014 18:09
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Tigurius is really good and if I was going to run Centurions he'd be an auto-include. You'll almost certainly want to cram more Centurions in there to make the most use out of his buffs.
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Feb 21, 2014 18:25
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NTRabbit posted:Hardware and plumbing supply stores carry cheaper equivalents to greenstuff, it's just not called that there - Kneadatite is the proper name, miliput is a cheaper alternative recommended to me (I need something cheap for my basius pads soon) Yeah, I checked the big chain hardware stores for kneadatite but stupidly I didn't check the local Ace hardware. I need to stop there anyway to see if they have a 1 mm pin vise bit anyway so I guess I can kill two birds with one stone.
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Feb 21, 2014 18:26
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SRM posted:That's a LOT of plastic. I think it would also cannibalize sales pretty badly. The limited scope of the starter set lets it work as sort of a loss leader; how many folks wouldn't buy cheap snap fit versions of guardsmen, gaunts, Ork boyz, or similar hordes of troops, at least compared to typical multipart boxes? I think it'd be neat, but I don't think it's the best idea for GW financially. A case can be made for smaller, more elite armies like Marines, but I know I'd never buy another box of Cadians if I could just get a horde of them that build faster and cost less. They already sell cheaper snap fit versions of all the models you mention, and those don't seem to cannibalize sales. And like I said, affordable and complete starter sets would drive sales of the other kits. Think of how many folks would take them as the perfect excuse to start a new army. But they don't even necessarily have to make starters for every last army, maybe just the most popular four to six. Do Chaos Space Marines, Eldar, Imperial Guard, Orks, Space Marines, and Tyranids, so you get a nice variety and a good representation of how diverse the range is.
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Feb 21, 2014 18:57
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Khorne Flakes posted:I've been very slowly building and painting an Ultramarine army over the past few months and wondering if Tigurius is as potent as people said he was when the codex first came out. I am running a fast moving force that looks like this: If I was able to go back, knowing what I know now, and buy specifically for what I will be doing with my army instead of buying craigslist/ebay "I'm getting out of the hobby, buy all my stuff" units, that's pretty much exactly what I'd be buying for a list these days.
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Feb 21, 2014 19:07
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PeterWeller posted:They already sell cheaper snap fit versions of all the models you mention, and those don't seem to cannibalize sales. And like I said, affordable and complete starter sets would drive sales of the other kits. Think of how many folks would take them as the perfect excuse to start a new army. They're also in little 3-4 man boxes, not something to the level of Dark Vengeance. I think the little booster boxes like those are fine, but whole army starter sets would start to eat into current sales I imagine. I would figure a starter army-sized box would also have more than the 3 poses that you get in those little booster packs.
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Feb 21, 2014 19:08
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BULBASAUR posted:30k question. I'm thinking of starting a Mechancus detachment to use those sweet Castellax as troops. How do you guys think they should be run? Wait for HH3 Extermination to decide. That's all I can say about that.
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Feb 21, 2014 19:15
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Ghost Hand posted:Wait for HH3 Extermination to decide. That's all I can say about that. You glorious tease. Now I'm going to have to wait a bit more to order my copies of the books and more robot goodness. Hencoe fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Feb 21, 2014 |
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Feb 21, 2014 19:53
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SRM posted:They're also in little 3-4 man boxes, not something to the level of Dark Vengeance. I think the little booster boxes like those are fine, but whole army starter sets would start to eat into current sales I imagine. I would figure a starter army-sized box would also have more than the 3 poses that you get in those little booster packs. hehe You know; one of these days I'm going to walk into a GW and buy every single booster box of guardians that they have just to see what they say. I love the snap fit guardians so easy to put together.
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Feb 21, 2014 19:54
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So, do Devourers really no longer cause a Ld check at -1/-2? Also, non-default death spitters on warriors is BS. That has to be a mistake.
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Feb 21, 2014 20:00
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So you're saying hold off on the full Adeptus mechanicus force? I was thinking of 5 Castellax with bolt cannons with grenades and one flamer each. Not too pricey in points, but will hit very hard, and may well mince 10 MEQs a turn with shooting.
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Feb 21, 2014 20:04
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SRM posted:They're also in little 3-4 man boxes, not something to the level of Dark Vengeance. I think the little booster boxes like those are fine, but whole army starter sets would start to eat into current sales I imagine. I would figure a starter army-sized box would also have more than the 3 poses that you get in those little booster packs. I just think the starter sets would drive more new sales than eat old sales, but what do I know? It really doesn't matter anyway because GW is dedicated to the same sales model they have been using since the release of 4E Fantasy in the early 90's.
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Feb 21, 2014 20:11
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WhiteOutMouse posted:Someone on my ham facebook group posted this: Yeah, there's three head options- the knight helm we've seen, the skull, and another helm with a T-shaped visor. You can also leave the faces off for the techno look.
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Feb 21, 2014 20:18
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That transfer sheet is A4 after all, £12 is a fair price. Also, the knights are 8" tall and look loving awesome.
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Feb 21, 2014 20:29
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 8" tall was my first guess, the comparison pictures weren't very clear. It looks like you can assemble this much of the body (minus the head), paint it boltgun/gunmetal (Vallejo Model Air Gun Metal to the rescue), paint all of these pieces separately as shown, then assemble. That should help make such a daunting paint job a bit easier to tackle.
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Feb 21, 2014 20:34
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Aww, I was kinda hoping it would have a detailed interior like the FW titans.
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Feb 21, 2014 20:36
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Phyresis posted:
I wasn't entirely convinced that I wanted one of these guys until I saw this photo. Dat grey plastic. 
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Feb 21, 2014 20:37
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high six posted:So, I want to try making cloaks/robes for my new Guardians of the Covenant out of green stuff. Kneadatite is the trade name for green stuff. It's made by Polymeric Systems, and repackaged by lots of folks. Here are links to lots of places to buy it. If you're in the US, the Warstore sells a big tube for $13: http://www.polymericsystems.com/epoxies-adhesives/epoxy-putty-tapes/where-to-get-kneadatite-blue-yellow.htm
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Feb 21, 2014 20:39
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Thundercloud posted:So you're saying hold off on the full Adeptus mechanicus force? It sounds like he was implying there were going to be melee units for AdMech next book. castellaxes are really solid and going just 1 flamer has worked the best for me. The only problem I've found is ranged AT is a little limited at the moment so I use darkfires on mine to help, but its not a perfect solution but putting on a multi melta feels a bit wastefull. Maybe book 3 has some new things that would help, but only time will tell.
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Feb 21, 2014 20:45
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PeterWeller posted:Yeah, exactly. The current battleforces aren't starter sets; they're often just a way to offer some unpopular kits in a package with popular kits for a small discount. GW really does need to reconsider their entry level products beyond the actual starter sets, and they need to offer them through more retail channels.   They're starting to do this, both of these boxsets are starter armies at a discount, although still not cheap.
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Feb 21, 2014 20:53
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How is this for a not-super competative 1000 point Infantry only City Fight list? It's a 4 player FFA so I plan on turtling and throw out spore mines as shields. 998 Points posted:HQ I didn't want to go super competative since this is my first time playing these guys. I also wanted to play with some stuff that I never have used before. Hopefully there will be enough terrain to give most of my guys 2+ saves for the entire game. My alternate list is two melee warrior primes and 120 gaunts with some venomthropes for cover. But... Na.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:
Yeah, I'm aware of those, and they're close to what I'm talking about. But they're more expensive that what I imagine, and they don't provide you the things you need to actually start playing. They're a step in the right direction, but on the other hand, they dropped the Dark Eldar set that originally came out alongside the Marine one.
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Feb 21, 2014 20:59
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PeterWeller posted:Yeah, I'm aware of those, and they're close to what I'm talking about. But they're more expensive that what I imagine, and they don't provide you the things you need to actually start playing. They're a step in the right direction, but on the other hand, they dropped the Dark Eldar set that originally came out alongside the Marine one. The things you need to start playing - you mean rulebook, templates, and dice, right? I know I personally would want to see, as I said earlier, $75 two-player starter boxes, and $45 one-player starters, with about 500pts of forces for each army, all made with snap-fit models, as well as basic rulebooks/rulecards telling you how to use the guys you have. If you want to play the more complicated parts of the game, you need to be comfortable assembling more complicated models, and get the advanced rulebook - but there is no way in hell GW can continue to get new players involved if they don't make the basic game (plastic soldiers with huge shoulderpads and chainswords fighting it out on the battlefield) more accessible financially, logistically, and conceptually. Also I wish they would get rid of like 75% of all the fluff from the rulebooks, drat. They're like physics textbooks if half the textbook were a biography of Isaac Newton with emphasis on his crazy religious fanaticism.
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Feb 21, 2014 21:11
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Apollodorus posted:Also I wish they would get rid of like 75% of all the fluff from the rulebooks, drat. They're like physics textbooks if half the textbook were a biography of Isaac Newton with emphasis on his crazy religious fanaticism. Why not just get one of the little paperback rulebooks from Dark Vengeance? They go for a couple of bucks on ebay.
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Feb 21, 2014 21:27
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Vondizimo posted:Bit of a long shot, but does anyone have any of the Forge World aircraft hunter killer missiles? I think I have some of those old rhino missile boxes kicking around in my bits box. Do you want them? Ghost Hand posted:Wait for HH3 Extermination to decide. That's all I can say about that. Oh baby oh baby, march can't come soon enough. HH3 with extra robot stuff AND my favorite legion inside of it Hencoe posted:It sounds like he was implying there were going to be melee units for AdMech next book. castellaxes are really solid and going just 1 flamer has worked the best for me. The only problem I've found is ranged AT is a little limited at the moment so I use darkfires on mine to help, but its not a perfect solution but putting on a multi melta feels a bit wastefull. Maybe book 3 has some new things that would help, but only time will tell. The multi melta is free, which is why I am thinking about it. I'd consider a darkfire cannon, since you can blind the unit you are about to charge into, but 3 dudes with darkfires runs 60 points, which could get you a laser destroyer (1 LD = 4 darkfire shots, roughly)
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Feb 21, 2014 21:30
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I can imagine how many players showed up to the game with an "ARMY BOX" to play a game only to be beaten about the head by smug nerds who said they don't have a legal army.  Anyway, Cigarnifex:  
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Feb 21, 2014 21:33
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VogeGandire posted:Why not just get one of the little paperback rulebooks from Dark Vengeance? They go for a couple of bucks on ebay. Yeah, much better plan. That's what I did when I thought I was getting back into Fantasy, bought an Island of Blood rulebook. Too bad I didn't have any time or motivation.
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Feb 21, 2014 21:33
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Apollodorus posted:Also I wish they would get rid of like 75% of all the fluff from the rulebooks, drat. They're like physics textbooks if half the textbook were a biography of Isaac Newton with emphasis on his crazy religious fanaticism.
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Feb 21, 2014 21:39
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BULBASAUR posted:I think I have some of those old rhino missile boxes kicking around in my bits box. Do you want them? Ooh yes, quite possibly. Are you able to post to the UK? 
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Feb 21, 2014 21:42
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SRM posted:I friggin love the fluff in all the rulebooks. When I was a young'un and picked up the 3rd ed rulebook at a flea market, it wasn't the rules that captured my imagination, but the artwork and fluff blurbs that hooked me. The fluff and setting along with the models are why this game exists and the IP is so strong. I still remember (and may have in my collection of RPG stuff) a 40K ad in Dragon magazine that was a pullout, it was a 4- or 6-page ad with a story and loads of full-color drawings. Is there a site anywhere that has the old ads online?
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Feb 21, 2014 21:42
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If 40k didn't have cool miniatures and fluff we wouldn't play it, you're lying if you say otherwise. The game is expensive and unbalanced - literally nobody would play 40k if it had bad lore. The lore and the miniatures are what makes 40k objectively great.
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Feb 21, 2014 21:44
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Apollodorus posted:The things you need to start playing - you mean rulebook, templates, and dice, right? Yeah, those things and a quickstart guide that teaches you how to play the game, the stuff that comes in DV along with the models. I think $75 and $45 are too low as price points. I just don't see how GW could provide you with enough material at those prices. I know comparisons are made to stuff like X-Wing, but 40K is a bigger game and requires more stuff. That cheap X-Wing starter comes with three models. That's fine for a game about dogfights, but doesn't work for 40K. They can keep attracting new players with their current model, but they could attract more new players if they changed that model. Reports of GW's imminent death are bullshit. They are still raking in cash, just not as much last year as the year before. And all that fluff is great. The main rulebook is not just a book of rules; it's a primer for the setting and the hobby, and should be chock full of fluff and pictures to inspire players. The mini rulebook should be available on its own as well.
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Feb 21, 2014 21:45
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BULBASAUR posted:I think I have some of those old rhino missile boxes kicking around in my bits box. Do you want them? I'm thinking pure admech, sorry. With AT covered why not just run the Maulers? With the double shots Rite 6 mauler shots to the face on top of getting charged would be brutal. If Ive missed something having a laser destroyer im going to slap myself. Hencoe fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Feb 21, 2014 |
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If CSM can use that new Dreadclaw it might persuade me to buy a few.
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PeterWeller posted:Yeah, those things and a quickstart guide that teaches you how to play the game, the stuff that comes in DV along with the models. They could hit those price points if they went with Kill Team sized sets. That way you'd be able to play a game with a dozen guys total, mess around and see the different options, and then graduate to the big league game after you get hooked. And I agree that the impending doom stuff is bullshit. They just need to recognize that they're not the only game around any more, and update their business model to something made this decade.
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